takotsu
Mar 27 2008, 05:01 AM
| | Before you vote in the poll, please read this. Is art a crime? First of all, I'd like to make a few distinctions.
Number One: There is a difference between graffiti and gang graffiti.
Number Two: I have no respect for graffiti writers that feel vandalism and destruction are fun. Or, those that find fun in destroying rather than the art.
Number Three: (The Spiel) Now I know many people think "painting a wall without permission is illegal and it really should be" But I find no greater joy than walking down the street and seeing a poster, sticker, or painted wall to kill the monotony. As long as there is no gang affiliation in the painting, I don't think it's wrong. This is just my opinion, and I would like to know everyone else's.
EDIT: I forgot to mention this earlier... Most writers, the good ones at least, have a sort of "code of ethics" if you will. (i.e. no painting on private property, houses, cars, places of worship, that kind of thing.) |
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galexcd
Mar 27 2008, 06:51 AM
I suppose it wouldn't be so bad if I saw a very well done piece of art on a public place like a freeway sound barrier, or a subway, but I do not want any graffiti on my fence, no matter how artistic it is. Private property should be just that, private. Public is public property, owned by the city so it technically isn't as bad as private but the kids who go around doing this kind of stuff don't distinguish between these two. Their only goal is for their art to be seen by as many people as possible, weather it be on a city street, or on a fence on my back yard.
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sheepdog
Mar 27 2008, 06:51 AM
I voted no, but I think you should of had 3 choises, yes, no, and maybe! I think it depends on the situation. I will admit, I sometimes enjoy watching trains going down the tracks that have well painted up cars. Some of the "artwork" shows a great deal of talent. However, seeing stupid stuff like "Bobbie Loves Mary" painted on a rock in a public park is quite annoying. I suppose it would be hard though, to draw a line between good quality graffiti and vandalisim.
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Thingcubed
Mar 27 2008, 07:09 AM
I think Graffiti is definitely art. If you've ever seen some of Banksy's work you'd probably agree. He's a very well respected Graffiti artist. I'd suggest googling Banksy and checking out his work, it's pretty cool.
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rvalkass
Mar 27 2008, 09:44 AM
There are some excellent artists out there who make brilliant pieces of art which could be classified as graffiti. The problem is that they are damaging other peoples' property. Whether the art is good or not, I know I'd be annoyed to find someone had drawn all over my house/shop/office! In the UK a lot of the city councils are willing to accept pieces of art to display around the city, and there is no reason why graffiti artists couldn't do their work on a board and then have that displayed around the city. There are also walls built especially for people to graffiti, and that is a good idea. You see some interesting art without any damage. There is also the problem of taste. You may like the look of graffiti and graffiti-style art, but I reckon you could find plenty of people who don't. If graffiti were legalised you would upset a great number of people who just wouldn't want to see it where they live.
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etycto
Mar 27 2008, 11:07 PM
QUOTE(takotsu @ Mar 27 2008, 01:01 AM)  Before you vote in the poll, please read this. Is art a crime? First of all, I'd like to make a few distinctions.
Number One: There is a difference between graffiti and gang graffiti.
Number Two: I have no respect for graffiti writers that feel vandalism and destruction are fun. Or, those that find fun in destroying rather than the art.
Number Three: (The Spiel) Now I know many people think "painting a wall without permission is illegal and it really should be" But I find no greater joy than walking down the street and seeing a poster, sticker, or painted wall to kill the monotony. As long as there is no gang affiliation in the painting, I don't think it's wrong. This is just my opinion, and I would like to know everyone else's.
EDIT: I forgot to mention this earlier... Most writers, the good ones at least, have a sort of "code of ethics" if you will. (i.e. no painting on private property, houses, cars, places of worship, that kind of thing.) i dont think art is a crime but doing something to someone else's belonging(whether it's ugly or beutifull) is not righ and should be illegal. there's nothing wrong with the grafity style, i think it's nice and does in fact looks good, but it's always a couple bad fruits that ruin the whole basket. yes vandalism should be illegal but theres no need to "out law" the graffiti style i thing that's realy stupid
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Bluebear
Mar 28 2008, 10:16 PM
I do not have anything against a nice piece of graffiti... For me it all depends on that part. But I hate when they "spray it all over the place", in places they are not allowed to! God, some of them are just ruining the city! But here we have got some places, public places, where they are allowed to go wild as much as they want to. If it should be legal or not, I have to say not. If it was legal, people would start to spray that stuff everywhere! rvalkass wrote it in a good way; "There is also the problem of taste. You may like the look of graffiti and graffiti-style art, but I reckon you could find plenty of people who don't." ...and that is one of the reasons I think it is a good thing to give them some walls, some places where they can perform this art. Because it is art. And some art is nicer than other...
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bishoujo
Mar 30 2008, 01:18 PM
Yes it should be. Now I love art, and I draw and paint myself, but I believe there is always a right place and right time to do things. If graffiti artists want people to respect their art, they must first learn to respect people's property. They may be proud of their art, but not everybody would like their work enough to want it on their possessions, and without seeking their permission too. Furthermore, not all buildings or construction works can accommodate artistic graffiti. Examples are commercial buildings, religious buildings and cemeteries. If graffiti artists wish to do their art in public, they should do it in places that are put aside for them (in my country, there is a place where graffiti artists are allowed to paint to their hearts' content), obtain permission from the authorities or the owner of the building/wall they are doing their art on, or rent a wall to paint on. But there should definitely be a penalty for artists who don't obey these, otherwise, people will spray wherever they want to.
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takotsu
Mar 31 2008, 04:35 AM
QUOTE(bishoujo @ Mar 30 2008, 08:18 AM)  Yes it should be. Now I love art, and I draw and paint myself, but I believe there is always a right place and right time to do things.
If graffiti artists want people to respect their art, they must first learn to respect people's property. They may be proud of their art, but not everybody would like their work enough to want it on their possessions, and without seeking their permission too. Furthermore, not all buildings or construction works can accommodate artistic graffiti. Examples are commercial buildings, religious buildings and cemeteries.
If graffiti artists wish to do their art in public, they should do it in places that are put aside for them (in my country, there is a place where graffiti artists are allowed to paint to their hearts' content), obtain permission from the authorities or the owner of the building/wall they are doing their art on, or rent a wall to paint on. But there should definitely be a penalty for artists who don't obey these, otherwise, people will spray wherever they want to. The thing about permission or public walls is that one of two things happens. The first, and most common, not every city in the world has permission walls that you can just go paint on. In the US, only a handful of cities have permission walls for the writers/artists. Second, at these permission walls, no one respects your work. (i.e. if you go out and spend a few hours painting this really nice piece with a few of your friends and it looks like something straight out of an art book, within a few days, some kid will have painted over that with a can of white Krylon.) All you'll be left with is a good piece with the word "ACID" or "RAZER" or something lame like that on it. At least with rooftops and the like you'll know that some kid off the street won't be able to destroy your work the next day.
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savge17
Mar 31 2008, 04:43 AM
In my opinion I think that there is a big difference between graffiti and gang graffiti. But the truth to the matter is that most graffiti seen on the streets is gang affiliated. If it looks abnormally nice with no gang affiliation it was probably done legally by an artist of some sort. I agree with you though. I don't think its wrong, but it is still illegal and I think it should stay illegal. I think that if artists get caught in the action of doing so they can get off with less because of the fact that it wont be gang affiliated. However gang members should get a harder punishment and actually should be put in jail if proved to be participating in a Gang.
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