Does anybody know? I do. Many people are led astray because they don't understand that it is not God who causes the pain of this world, but satan. They also believe that God let satan take control. Let me explain. In the beginning, before creation, there was a war in heaven where satan took a third of th angels and fought Jesus. Jesus won. It is here, that satan said God is unfair. So here is where God gives satan a chance to prove that before the whole universe. After creation Adam disobeyed God and ate a fruit that was not allowed to be eaten. I believe this tree was put there as a test. Adam ate after temptation from eve and satan, who had origanally tempted eve. Stan caused the first pain and suffering. Now God could strike satan down, but satan would then make good on his claim that God is unfair to him. So he lets him continue his evil deeds. At the end of time, when we are taken to heaven, ALL will know who is fair. Any arguments?

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Ok, how can Jesus win a war when he's not even born? Because before the creation of what we call Earth, there was no Jesus. Because he was born in the year 0AD. There were maaaaany millions of years before that, before his birth.

In case you wonder about my nickname, yes I am a witch. And no, that doesn't make me whatever associated with what you call satan. I don't believe in satan, nor do I believe in the concept of pure evil and pure good. Everything is dualistic in its nature.

While I try my best to respect all religions, I just can't shake the feeling that it's so easy to just blame satan, who to me is a fictional figure - a name given to something that does not have a "being" - . It's easier to blame something/someone else for everything going wrong in your life than to actually look within yourself and see where you went wrong and what you can do to change that. It's easier to say, she got cancer because she didn't live by the bible, it's her punishment.

I strongely believe that every action we take has a reaction, be it "good" or "bad". The reason I feel that everything does happen for a reason is quite simple.

I as a young child was abused well into my adolescent life, I don't blame "satan", nor do I blame a deity, I blame the one who did it, my dad. It was his choice and his action, not mine. But, while this scarred me for life, it has also contributed to who I am today, while I may not like every aspect of myself; I certainly do feel that I have done ok so far.

So my question is... if all pain is caused by satan, why do children of 2 or 3 get abused? Surely this can't win "souls" for satan, since it's supposed to "win" you for it.

 

 

 

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Hi moonwitch, first off, I would like to share my joy that you turn out ok. As for your question, i would really be interesting in your explaining it more, like what do you mean when you say "win you for it"

I might not be answering anything directly here, but I would like to have a say. Before i read any replies, i already made up my mind that God is not to blame. My reasoning: Everyone has his/her own will, no one is a puppet.

However, I do not totally accused all the guilt to the wrongdoers. Sometimes, maybe many times (i'm not sure with the statistics, so..), the environment that the wrongdoers were brought up in do not nuture the children the right way. A child may lack love and grow accustomed to violence, abuse, drugs, etc. and grow up to be bad parents themselves.

Therefore i think the wrongdoers are to be blamed themselves or the bad people who intentionally provided a bad environment for a child to grow into wrongdoers. Either way, we can't blame Satan or God because they are internal forces, like our conscience; so if we fail to strengthen our will to do the right think, we ourselves are to blame.

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Well first time to hear that story, anyway there is no way to blame what ever...

If there is someone to blame for any reason it is you, ourself not GOD.

GOD sometimes gives as a trials to test our faith but this has a good reasons, God knows everything which is good for us, God knows everything even the number of your hair...

If you blame God, you must first ask your self why?

There is no way to blame God ever... God is GOOD, God is Great and GOD is FAIR....

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I really can't say one way or another whose fault it is, because in all honesty, I don't know. I can tell you what I do believe and what I don't though...

I believe that everyone has a free will and will do whatever it is that they please, unless someone or something prevents them from doing it.

I'm not sure whether or not to believe in God or Satan, because up to this point in my life, neither one has decided to prove to me that they do indeed exist, and I'm not the kind of person that can go on blind faith.

Maybe they will curse me to eternal damnation the day I die, maybe not. Or perhaps they will even come to me in some form that I can believe and fill me in on why things are the way they are. Even if they do, no one will probably believe me anyway when I try to tell them what I do know.

So, I think everyone is to blame for any wrong actions that they perform, but I do also agree about how if you had grown up to certain morals, it may not be completely your fault, but you do have to take some responsibity for your actions.

Some things like disease and famine, can be helped and some can be cured, but they can be blamed on nature, or people, or god, or whoever you want to blame to put a face on, so we think we can fight it. Somethings out there like famine, could be eradicated, but because of our inaction, it isn't. And I even take in some of the blame for it.

Don't get me wrong, in small ways, I have tried to help, but I still feel like I could do more. And when I think of disease, so many of them have cures, but we won't help cure millions of people because they can't afford it.

Again, this could be blamed on a great many things, but I think that if people put the effort into curing the diseases that have cures, and finding cures for the ones that don't, that they put into things like television and playstations, we could cure anything that came our way.

But, I too, am too blame for some of it, because I sit infront of my television, enjoying my nice and happy life, while people are suffering horribly around the world. I feel bad, and do little things to help now and then, but could be doing so much more.

So, I don't know who to blame for the bad things that happen, but being the kind of person that I am, I tend to not blame beings that I don't even know if they exist, and rest the blame on the people who could stop committing the bad acts, or the people who could stop the bad acts from occuring.

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Hi,
I'm not interested in blaming a certain religion, or blaming any one or name - what happens in this world happens for a reason, and that reason is that we did it. Let's look at an example - World War II:

+ Some people say that God must have hated Japan that's why the bomb was dropped, others say it was satan, other's say that it was pure evil on the U.S's part.

The fact is that it was a military target. Satan didn't plan the entire mission, and I don't believe that God - a creator of worlds would do such a thing. The bottom line is that Japan was killing the US, and the US didn't want to loose any more of their soliders. It was between people, not forces (evil forces or pure forces). It was one man's choice to drop the A-Bomb, and his decision caused so many deaths. It's what happens in the long run that's makes the difference...

Think about it - the A-Bomb killed thousands of people in a heart beat, but how many people would have been killed as a result of Japan being a military target? Millions of civilians would have died in 'regular' military bombings, millions of Japanese soldiers would have died along side millions of US soldiers. We also now know that the A-Bomb can act as a deterent for countries that impose violence.

We are only human - we are only animals. All animals will make mistakes. We learn from our mistakes. Everything has a knock on effect - things happen, sometimes things that shouldn't be done are done, it's as simple as that. It's the way the world works, it's the way we work as human beings. God and Satan have nothing to do with it as far as I am concerned, it is us that create these things, and it is us that live with the concecenses. So no, I don't blame God and no, I don't blame Satan, I blame us, it's our mistakes. No one is perfect.

Thankyou For Your Time, Sean Webber.

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he should been.

because he closed the door to others then opend the door to them
but he closed all my door.
i'm just be going thrusted.

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Moonwitch, when you say you're a witch, does that mean you are an adherent of Wicca? It is often taken for granted, but there are many kinds of self-described witches. I'm interested to hear more about your religious beliefs. Perhaps you would start a thread, giving your own interpretation of Wicca [or whatever]?

As for the original question of this thread: my own world-view emphasizes the role of individual responsibility in one's life. It is up to you to make the best of the situation into which you were birthed. It is true that extreme poverty doesn't allow many chances to rise above the suffering, but I can tell you that this suffering is not preordained nor inescapable, sociological principles of class notwithstanding.

I have looked for God and found my gaze unreturned. I see no reason to blame It for anything, aside from negligence.

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Well, if you do believe that Jesus was the Son of God, which the original story suggests, then he has been alive since the beginning of time, and that 0 AD-33AD were the 33 years he spent on this planet, while still existing outside of that time period in heaven.



Without being disrespectful myself, the strangeness or supernaturability of something or somebody doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. I'll admit that it is quite a challenging theory with the whole Satan lark, as it's easier to think that all evil or nasitness comes from humans, as some of it does, but the origin, I believe, comes from Satan.

Also note, by the way, that the modern depiction of Satan has been twisted by modern society and that the real Satan will probably not have horns.

Anyway, to get back on track, I don't believe that suffering is God's fault at all. People say "If God really existed then there wouldn't be any suffering in the world". Consider suffering for a minute. If you look hard enough then a good proportion would lead back to humans . Take poverty as an example. Why are so many millions of Africans and other people all over the world dying unjustly? Because rich humans have taken the natural produce of the countries and sell it on for profit, leaving the rest of the population in a bad, but not dreadful state. But, with advances in technology, Western humans now enjoy and outrageously good standard of living better than any Roman Emporer or Egyptian Phaorah with double glazing etc. The poorer Africans in the worse climates get in a worse condition compared to us because they cannot afford this standard of living because medicine etc. is too expensive. They are also uneducated, resulting in a permanant problem due to the inability to raise themselves out of poverty.

All of this results from human greed. Look at war, it is the result of human's inability to get along. Is that God's fault?

But why do people die of cancer? Why do volcanoes need to erupt? This is going to sound quite harsh, but humans need to die. This planet cannot physically produce resources for a race that doesn't die, but continues to reproduce. Illness, natural disasters etc. are ways of bringing the population down so that humans can continue in the long-term.

I've tried to cover most things. Would be interested to hear what people think about this.

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Before I start I really should tell you that I don't personally believe in a 'God', just so you know where I'm comming from on this. I really think it is (I can't think of another way to put this, but please note I do not mean to offend anyone) foolish to look for blame in things like natural disasters and the like, I believe they just happen, its no ones fault, they are just one of the many risks of being alive. I see very little point in 'satan' who from my point of view doesn't exist. that is just my personal belief and I will always respect the views and oppinions of others and will respect all religions. I would just prefer they didn't try to 'enlighten' me (mentioning no specific religions of courss but I'm sure you all have experianced this) p.s. I know not all religions do this, it is just a small few who believe it is their job to make the rest of the world think the same as them. p.p.s sorry that turned into a bit of a rant agianst religion.

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