Hey there, all,

Brainless, I am a bit confused as to what you write. As a Swiss, and a god neighbor to both Germany and Bavaria, I'm quite supportive of your views against anything that has any nuclear flavor to it. And that includes the nuclear plants that sprouted along the years in Switzerland against public protests.

Now, what I don't get is why it should be especially wrong for Germans to do the same as others around do shamelessly. Are you by any chance a victim of a self-whipping syndrom because of what occured during WWII? Not a chance to be right, friend. First, because the children are not responsible for the wrong done by their parents. Second, because present-days Germany is acting responsibly in most instances since 60 years.

And... third but not least, just because, the current oil situation (which by all means cannot be blamed even remotely upon German shoulders) makes nuclear energy an almost unavoidable economic alternative. At least an alternative to be cautiously pondered by any responsible states(wo)man. That girl of yours, Angela will have to meet these issues very, very soon, tell you.

Believe me, chum, I'd be more worried by what the various bushes of this world are up to by ignorance and/or malevolence. Ignorance especially is the most lethal weapon in this small world of ours, much more so than nukes. The very fact that you know how to get the info to make some nuclear device and refrain from even looking for it is the best insurance that you at least will not act stupidly. And there are many of your likeness crawling around, you know. What scares me most is the bushes are so few, yet so enduring. I'd bet their species will still be around when spontaneous nuclear decay has brought all artificial radioactivity to inocuity in an untold numbers of centuries. 2008 will not bring any relief to that concern, you mark my word.

I'd suggest that you invest heavily in teaching your children to act responsibly. There ain't any good politician without good voters to elect him or her these days. The battle for nuclear weapons containment is as good as lost today. Yet, there are so many bright people unspoken of that I'll keep faith to my last day these guys will try to do something constructive if they find a way to work together in a productive and creative way.

Cheers and chins up folks. Tomorrow's world is right here on Trap17.

 

 

 

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ongnoai: I will not claim that I'm right all along my posts and especially in this thread I've gone to a somewhat extreme position... anyways, I'm just reassuring myself that I mentioned that somewhere



It's not especially wrong for Germany to do what everyone else does, it's just that it doesn't get better if many people do it instead of just a few...



I hope that I am not too much affected by this syndrome. Actually I sometimes feel urged to need to point out the good things about the nazi regime when everybody else says "we all know that it was bad all over the place" [well, they achieved a very low unemployment rate; destroyed large natural areas in the name of 'civilizing' them (our recent governments outsourced this job), ...]

I don't agree with the "responsible behavior" but I suppose it's a behavior accepted by those who are in power in other nations and those who follow them more or less without questioning them (or maybe it's just me)...

I like most parts of the rest of your post and don't think it's necessary to go into details



well, after WWI Germany wasn't treated too nicely (hey, actually the Austrians started it, we just gave them a carte blanche to do so) and it's pretty sure that WWII might not have happened if the Treaty of Versailles had looked more friendly ... after WWII the winning powers were very friendly with the german people, though it's a pity that we were granted an own army it would have been nice if Germany could have set an example that even a nation without an army of its own can become one of the most powerful nations on earth...

(I think there was something I wanted to write but I can't remember it and don't have the time to rethink 'cause I've gotta get to SKAmbulé's last show ever )

 

 

 

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I agree, Brainless. The Treaty of Versailles asked Germany to take full responsibility for all of WWI, regardless of the fact that Austria-Hungary, the Ottoman Empire, and others were allies that supported the war. Hitler had been a commanding officer in the German army during WWI and he managed to arouse his fellow Germans (granted, not all of them) against Jews, which he blamed for being the reason behind Germany's fall. One cannot solely blame Germany for any of that, though, since people tend to want a scapegoat during times of trouble, and Germany was going through times of trouble. Hitler simply stepped up and gave the people what they wanted - someone to point a finger at.

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Enriching uranium is not the same as building a bomb. Germany is a peaceful nation an does not threaten anyone (at least recently ). Nuclear weapons are most dangerous in the hands of mad people. And they are not in Europe.

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Well I would firtly like to point out that there is really huge difference between enriching uranium and building nuclear weapon. However German forces in the last decade have increased over supposed general stockpile or manpower signed at the and of world war two. And similar thing happened just before beginning of the world war two after world war one treaty.

Also the problem is not whit actually build up of weapons because European nation would be really redundant to use such weapon of massive destruction anywhere close to its own home ground and considering several nuclear hazards happening in the last 50 years on the Europe soil I assume that the negative effect of such weapon would affect all countries in Europe.

But I want to use this opportunity to say something about Germany in the last ten years after the fall of Berlin war. It constantly increasing its support for US actions against terror and increasing its base manpower also I don't consider Germans as peaceful nation I would not like to sound racist however throughout their history they were always fighting with someone either between themselves or against ofreing and outside enemy. And those wars were usually attacking that offensive campaigns rather then defensives. So to consider such nation increasing manpower might just sound suspicions.

Would not you agree?????

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That is really qiute ignorant. Just because they have nuculear weapons does that make them a threat to world peace, if so does that not make Russia, United States, United Kindom and many other's?


Just because they started WW1 and 2 that does not mean they will start another WW. If you have ever been to Germany you would know they are really quite ashamed of that era of there history.

I feel every nation should have the right to nuculear weapon's else it makes the powerful countries even more powerful.

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Yes I agree with niped that germans are in fact ashamed of the world war one and even more of the world war two. However they are proud people and neonazistic movement has many people in germany and around countries. So if one wants the clean countries in europe and is stating that the people should be and go for clean countries with one nation it is complete nonsense in the todays world and also it may seem as threat. remember that.

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they are just making it sound ok for other countries to arm themselves with nuclear weapons. Soon other countries will follow suit because they will feel like its needed so that they dont get pushed by other countries.

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Well it is common practice it is like domino law when one start then all other connecting to that one are starting. And I think it cannot be stopped that easy.

But many of you are forgeting that enriching uranium isn't the same as building nuclear bomb however if they would be producing hard water then this is obvious sign of bomd making process.

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