hi, i have a question about scroll bars for frames. i have two frames on my page and both have scrolling set to "yes". it works like i want in IE; even if there is no need for a scroll bar there is a faded out scroll bar that takes up the space. in fire fox and nestscape navigator there is no faded scroll bar when there is no need for one. there's just an ugly white gap. is there a way to make the scroll bar appear faded like it does in IE? or maybe there's a way to always heighten the area just enough so that the scroll bar is always neccessary. thanks,

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Yeah you might have to specify a height or maybe try setting the CSS properties of your frames to overflow:hidden. Not sure how CSS goes with frames because I never use frames.

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I think it'd help if you mentioned the url of your web site. I'm not entirely sure about the overflow:hidden property, because if I'm not mistaken, that tends to hide the scrollbar even when you do need it, which is something you certainly do not want. You could add some <br> tags at the end of your frame, that would increase the height and the scroll bar would be visible all the time, if you're sure that is what you want. Again, I'd feel more comfortable if I could have a look at the page. Or can you show us the code? Either way

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As far as I am aware, regardless of what you do, Firefox and other browsers have the feature to remove scroll bars that are unnecessary. I have seen this problem before and have never found a solution, the only way would be to forcibly make your page bigger. For example, you could contain the entire contents of the page within a <div> with sizes set a few pixels bigger than the frame.



I think the site is [url=http://www.kvarner-express.com/]. I would also like to point out that "tourism" is spelt wrong on the banner at the top. Hope you find a solution to the problem.

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If that's the site in question, I had a look at it in Firefox and didn't see any ugly white gaps (pretty hard to see white gaps against a white background anyway).

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Again, assuming that kvarner-express.com is the site we're looking at, I think the top frame actually looks all right. Well, I'm using Opera - I don't see either a white space or a disabled scrollbar. Most people I know want to know how to get rid of scroll bars. Are you sure you'd like them visible? I mean, if you're never going to need them, isn't it better to keep them invisible? If you like, I can post a screenshot of what it's looking like in my browser. Cheers!

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