Shackman
Feb 26 2005, 10:23 AM
I am not too sure, but for many of you, this is a sensitive topic. I hope the contents of this post do not offend or collide with and religon or beliefs. This is merely a POST!!! Many a time, I ask myself, should we even eat meat? Maybe most of us are aware that animals have to be killed in order for us to obtain thier meat. Little do we know how the animals are killed or the sufferings they encounter. Generally, most chickens are reared large-scale and they are known as battery chickens. The battery chickens are give very poor living conditions. They are known as battery because their cells are like batteries. The chickens are tightly packed together like sardines. Maybe you have been in a crowded bus before. Imagine the agony of squeezing. Those poor chickens are squashed throughout their whole life. The chickens are in a dark shack, lacking sunlight. They are not allowed to move. They are made to lay eggs everyday. They are injected with chemicals to make them produce more eggs. Imagine, a mother giving birth is so much agony, imagine the poor, young chicken, funding Singapore's egg demand! Once the chickens cannot meet the targets by the egg farm, they are sent to the slaughter house. They are first loaded into small and tiny cages and loaded into a lorry. The lorry takes its long and bumpy journey to the slaughter house. The slaughter house is usually at a very rural area and so there are no proper roads. This makes the journey very bumby and the chickens are badly brused. Once the chickens reach the SLAUGHTER HOUSE, they are hung by their legs on a moving conveior belt. They are then dipped, and technically dipped, into a large pan of electrified water, like you dipping french fries into tomato sauce. Some are stunned, some are knocked out but some are unaffected. Their throats are then slit and they are left helplessly to bleed. While they are dieing, workers pluck their feathers off. This all happens when the chicken is bleeding, that means that it is ALIVE!!!!!!!!!. Imagine that. After their featehrs are plucked, they are thrown into canster of water and left to die. Maybe this article has shed some light on your eating habits. Maybe you would think twice about the poor, helpless animal who was slaughtered before you munch happily on their meat. We sound like barbarians. I remember a show named 'Planet of the Apes'. If my memory servers me correctly, there was a scene where the humans were captured in cages. Now, lets take a comparison, when humans are the victims, we make it as though we are prisoners and that we do not deserve this. When we capture animals and put them in the same condition to be killed, we say nothing about it and don't even care about it. Are we being like Apes?? I hope all off us will take time to think about how human domination has cause alot of suffering. Maybe think about the poor animal before eating. -Shackman
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ill
Feb 26 2005, 10:40 AM
Survival of the Fittest. The Food Chain. Just a few examples of why I eat meat.  Plus, it tastes good. I don't like fried chicken though, grilled is a different story.. yummy.
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Furor
Feb 26 2005, 11:21 AM
I think that humans have their teeth shaped in such a way as to rip of stuff like meat. I'm talking about the sharp incisors. And if you look at any plant-eating animal, such as the deer, they don't have them. They have straight flat teeth. Lions have sharp kinfe-like teeth like we do. So I feel there's nothing wrong to it!  I might be wrong though.
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Shackman
Feb 26 2005, 12:51 PM
We have flat molars. We have probably evolved to be omnivores through our many thousand years of eating meat. The body has to adapt. -Shackman
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adriantc
Feb 26 2005, 01:03 PM
I think there are many questions regarding the way we treat animals, but this is not one of them. I belive eating meat is normal since we are the most inteligent specie alive, but that does not excuse the suffering of the animals. So we should eat meat but we also must take care of how we treat them. For example, in my country (which is due to enter in EU in 2007) we have a tradition of killing pigs before Christmas and Easter. We do it just by sticking a knife in the pigs throut. I think the pig suffers a lot but that is the way we do it for ages. Since Romania is due to enter in the European Union we will have to adapt. Some have done that already. For example people make the pig drunck and then they kill it. There are still many questions like why do we hunt animals since we no longer need that sort of food for a living. That would be the real question...
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Trystim
Feb 26 2005, 02:05 PM
Yes you bring up a good topic that is sensitive to many people. The fact has been proven if we wouldn't kill these animals to eat them they would eventually overrun the human population and outnumber us severly. How we obtain the meat is a different story such as I will not ever touch veal, reason being it is a cow that from birth is put into a cage so that it can not move so the muscles (meat) stays tender and is not ever toughened once it hits a certain age it is slaughtered. There can't be to much wrong with it if you remember it says in the bible God gave everything to us to use. As stated how we go about using what is given to us may not be the proper way but it is here for our survival. Look at it this way, yes they don't have a verbal form of communication but vegetarians kill living entities also named plants and those in turn actually make it possible for us to live by putting off oxygen for us to breath the tree's alone can not produce the oxygen the world would need to breath and survive. Both vegetarian & and carnivores (meat eaters) have flawed beliefs in why they eat what they eat. My fiance is vegetarian, now she isn't a Vegan which is no animal products at all but she has cut about 95% of animal products from her diet. I am a meat eater and we get along just fine it costs us more to shop and get our food mainly due to vegetarian items costing alot more then stuff I eat but we understand we each have our own belief's and we share our opinions but that is extent of it neither of us force the others belief's on each other. just my opinion in the post thanks for reading.
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Neutrality
Feb 26 2005, 02:08 PM
Well think about this question as a hypothetical question: if humans did not eat meat at all, if not one single human ate meat, do you know what would happen? More deadly diseases would spread and be formed from the rotting corpses of the animals. Instead of slaughtering them, they would just die naturally and their corpses would probably rot some-where (unless you burn their bodies). Look at India for example. In most places, cows are considered to be sacred, so those Indians refrain from eating cow meat, and some even go vegetarian. So instead of eating them, they are going to let the cows die off. Their rotten corpses will give off diseases (possibly mad cow disease), and many humans will die in that area. You see, when humans stop eating animals, diseases begin to form and spread. But, another important factor is that meat contains important vitamins that most fruits and vegetables don't have - protein. Protein breaks down into amino acids, which help humans fight off certain diseases, and help increase the health of their immune systems. These are two reasons why eating meat is important.
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dundun2007
Feb 26 2005, 02:32 PM
I beleive its all about the food chain, every animal or mammal needs another one in order to survive. For example we dont all need meat to survive but thats where most of out minerals comes from, and besides meat is how people surived thousands of years ago. There is people who only eat veggies but then theres a huge % of people that do eat meat almsot everday. According to the earlier years meat was something you had to hunt for, which shows how other animals hunt as well.
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Caveman
Feb 26 2005, 06:03 PM
There are two notions pulling my head in opposite directions. The first one: I firmly believe that animals were not placed on earth to serve humans; i.e. they must not be used as means to our own ends. In this sense, technically, killing an animal for its meat WOULD be morally wrong. The other one: the inevitable introduction of Darwinism into the picture would suggest that humans ARE the only animals (as far as we know) that possess a flow of logic. That is, we are capable of making our own judgements while resisting impulse. Animals cannot do that: they must give in to their primitive desires. Hence, it would make sense for us to dominate the food chain. And when you're at the top, nothing's going to stop you from getting what you want. I guess what I'm trying to say is...eating meat is morally wrong, but biologically correct. I am a carnivore, BTW. I am not a huge fan of meat, but I'll get my basket of chicken fingers here and there, a hot dog at the baseball game, a McDonald's hamburger for a quick lunch, etc. Although it's not something that crosses my mind when I'm actually eating, I have thought about it on my own time. I do feel pretty bad about it, but it's not something I can exactly change my lifestyle over...I have nothing against vegetarians, but I just don't think I'd like to become one myself. Hehe. Rock on
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JaVe
Feb 27 2005, 02:44 AM
Yes well i don't support mcd's or anything, they mix cardboard with their burgers. I like chilis and fuddruckers though hehe! But, get to the point, sure, our teeth are not meant for ripping meat, but i've got some mega incisors:  Plus meat is very tasty. And, cavemen ate meat, if they said "Hey, meat is cruel, don't eat it" - we'd not be alive, they didn't have the technology to make soya burgers. BUT - still from soya burgers todya, we get our proteins from REAL meat & fish and vitamins from vegetables. Just my opinion.
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contactskn
Dec 11 2008, 10:57 AM
Dear friend I was a meat eater for around 15 years of my life now I am 33 and don't even touch the products made up of even eggs. It may be possible that some of you might say that it is madness. But the reason for leaving the consumption of meat is again a story for me. I went to a fresh meat shop in a city where I resided. The shopkeeper out there killed 2 chickens for fulfilling our order of fresh chicken meat in front of my eyes, and that’s it I was so shocked that from that day onwards I never ate meat, fish or even eggs. Now I am very happy to be how I am now. And satisfied with my life. My approach always aims at saving animals killed only for consuming their meat. But I don't force my friends, family members etc. As I think having meat in your food is typically a personal wish of a person not to be interfered about. You see my wife eats meat. I have obviously explained my reasons for not but even though she is not convinced with it and continues to eat meat. But I really don’t mind it as its her own life to be lived in a manner she loves.
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room2593
Sep 7 2008, 04:45 AM
Carnivores aren't wise for eating meat, they're wasteful. I don't care about how much protein there is. If you look at meat scientifically, the advantages are slim. Plants make glucose, and when ingested, it is a very efficient source of energy. The body doesn't need to build any mechanisms to break it down and create ATP (adenine triphosphate, an extremely efficient energy storage unit). It merely enters straight into the krebs cycle and cellular respiration. However... the sugar found in meat is much more complex, and has to be broken down in order to get glucose. Much of it is wasted in the process. Also, it takes 7 times the land and resources to support a meat eater... the inefficiency is extreme. Check it out: http://veg.ca/content/view/133/111/There is no moral obligation to be either a vegetarian or a meat eater. I don't believe in the souls of animals or anything like that... but vegetarian food is really good too... and meat eating is just outright wasteful. There is no reason for it.
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arnz
Jul 7 2008, 02:43 PM
There seems to be a lot of outrage at Whale farming groups, as well as other practices, especially from vegetarian groups. Whilst I hadnt read most posts to form a opinion yet, it seems the food chain does dictate how mammals and/or living creatures are supposed to survive. For example, small fishes eventually gets eaten by bigger fish and so forth :\
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kasm
Jul 7 2008, 08:01 AM
QUOTE(Shackman @ Feb 26 2005, 09:23 PM)  I am not too sure, but for many of you, this is a sensitive topic. I hope the contents of this post do not offend or collide with and religon or beliefs. This is merely a POST!!!
Many a time, I ask myself, should we even eat meat? Maybe most of us are aware that animals have to be killed in order for us to obtain thier meat. Little do we know how the animals are killed or the sufferings they encounter..... 1. Yes humans can eat meat of the animal he/she like exactly: ---As the Whale who we defend, eat tons of small fish. ---As the lion and other animal in forest eat another animal to survive. ---As the nice cats do to the birds. ---As your dog eat meat or caned meet. ---As we feed the tigers, lions, Shitas, ...in the zoo by meet. etc. IT IS LIFE and our features. Some animals eat plants, some eat meat and some eat both.
2. If you say why we don't eat only plants. Then why you consider plants can be eaten and not the animal. Is that because plants breath differently and blood presure there replace with other pressure?
3. The chicken which you saw in battery chicken will not exist at all if it is not planned to be eaten. You don't know how they can survive in wilkdness and how much number?. I am also wondering why the chicken don't lay on their eggs as the other birds do[ erxcept in children stories]. I rember my grandma presented me a couble of Pigeon when we were visited her one day . They became my toys that time when there wern't toys as today. I put them in big cage and put in side a big 4 galon tin box to lay in. They lay two tiny egs every month . They produced 3 couples of birds who make 4 families with added tin boxes. Then we started to eat their next products. You don't imagine how they tasty and how their meat has benefit. [I missed that ] . Then another visit to our vilages, one of my aunt give me anchicken egg which was of sure will produce chick [i.e was manipulated with the roster there]. I put that chicken egg with the two tiny pigon eggs. The peacful Pigeon [as Jesus said[ didn't reject the strange eggs and they contintinue lay on the the three eggs . Until 3-4 weeks the chick hick from the eggs and I have check who became a strong roster. Of course after months I allowd the family to eat that roster and start doing the same cycle again. From that story I want to say that these chicks are produced by us. We fed and take care of them and in our mind that they will be eaten one day. THAT IS THE LIFE.
4. You speak about the bad conditions to the chicken before slaughter. I don't agree. There are many humans in more bad situation. There are people are living 8 persons in tiny room and many human living in dark and without electricity. There are many people in India has no toilets [WC]. Open your eyes to see what around and not only what in your place. See what Katerina Hurricane showed what in real US. How the NY homeless are living and not the life be shown in Hollywood films.
5. Then what the difference if they will slaughtered anyway and be eaten. What the difference in how.
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Sica-GURU
Jul 6 2008, 03:20 PM
It's ok for me; but you could try mushrooms too
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