Drums, Religion, And Demons?

wild20

Sep 11 2005, 07:51 PM

That is right! I was reading a religious book about how drums have gotten into the christian churches. This guy says that the one that is dangerous is the trap set. It originated out of west Africa. It was a type of style and beat that only the modern trap can make. It is used in rock and roll, and jazz. The people there used this beat to call up the "spirit". Get this, there are some really good drummers out there that say there are to sides or voices to the drum. One is the sound, the other the voice of the "spirit" that uses the drummer to make music. One previous drummer said that by drumming or listening to this kind of drum, it ultimately ends in demon possession. Let me also tell you what the terms rock and roll, and jazz came from.

Rock and Roll= have sex in the back of a car. That is right. This should be very unattractive to anyone that has any morals I know this seems a little graphic, but it has to be included. I mean, who knew?

Jazz= you want to have sex with someone. What is the matter with people? Who accepted this stuff? And we let kids listen to this stuff? I would highly advise anyone who listens to rock and roll and jazz to reconsider! It isn't okay to listen to it once a week, or once a month, it is wrong. I have stopped. Think about it.

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truefusion

Sep 11 2005, 08:09 PM

If that's what rock and roll, and jazz means, then i can only imagine what rap, and other genres mean...

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biscuitrat

Sep 11 2005, 11:09 PM

Although the fact that it's a religious book makes me automatically think it's biased. Who cares what the origins of it were? It's good stuff today. I would hate to limit my kid to listening to classical music, the occasional musical (no rock operas for you, kiddy!), and very rarely any country. Oh, but there's "Christian" rock. Is that OK to listen to? Because it's Christian, is it automatically filled with morals?

What makes me sort of upset is that you say it's wrong. So I can't listen to Led Zeppelin or the Beatles? I can't play a bit of Cake or Weezer while I work? Is this another one of those "I have morals and you don't because you have different tastes from me" debates?

Yes, I thought about it. It doesn't make sense to stop something altogether because of its origins. All of you extremely orthodox religious people can do what you like, but a name is a name and that's all. I'm 15 - I may not have great taste in anything but at least I do have morals that don't extremely exaggerate things like this. What's with you people? It's music, nothing more. So there may not be choirs of angels for me (choirs are annoying already T_T) when I die, but at least I'll get a taste of my beautiful Doors before I kick it.

Besides, isn't Sex, Drugs, and Sex in the back of a car a little redundant?

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Cerb

Sep 12 2005, 02:16 AM

Biscuitrat made many good points. The origins have little to do with anything. Christians used to burn people for being witches, start religious wars, etc. Because they used to do that, does it mean that Christianity is immoral?

It's complete idiocy to state that rock and jazz are un-christian. I, myself, am a Christian, and jazz happens to be one of my favorite genres of music. As a matter of fact, I'm sitting here listening to Pat Metheny as I type this out.

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Besides, isn't Sex, Drugs, and Sex in the back of a car a little redundant?

Good point

P.S. Wasn't the word 'Jazz' used as a term for sex after it had been used for years to describe the music. Don't believe everything you hear, pal.

EDIT: Fixed quote tag.

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wild20

Sep 12 2005, 02:52 PM

You guys are forgetting something though, I didn't say that christian music or rock is okay. And biscuit, no, this is not something stating I am better, or have morals. Because I don't. But you also are forgetting that the devil will seek a hold where ever he can get one. The fact that it was used to call spirits alone should make you not want to listen to it. I believe even the athiest knows what demon possession is. Let me clarify it for you. My grandfather was a pastor, he saw demon possession. The horror of it is awful. He watched people nearly get killed before they were given up. And trust me, it was only because of jesus' saving power. To put it short, people were thrown against walls, and badly hurt. Now, all I can say, is that the reason I am doing this is because I will not, sit back and watch the subtle changes happen. Would it bother you to know that this could happen to you? I know it isn't a pretty topic, but if it did happen, and I hadn't told you about it, I would feel guilt on my part because I could have warned you. If you saw someone that was about to kill themselves doing something that they didn't know was stupid, would you sit back and watch them die, for something you could have tried to prevent? Of course, you can't make them not do something, but that is their mistake. If it has the trap set in it, I would listen to it. Thats all I am saying. Better safe than sorry!

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OCAC

Sep 12 2005, 05:29 PM

Sorry, but the bible is full of references to drumming and listening to music - just read the Psalms!!!

I also think it is an oversimplificaton to assume that only listening to Jazz will want to make a woman hop into bed with you. That has never worked with me. Jazz is far to nervous for that in my listening.

If you think, that certain influences should be banned, than I think you are mistrusting God, who gave us free will afterall. People that want to ban music, because of the label that is attached are distorting Gods creative influence. Who are you, who am I, who is that author, to say that Jazz or R&R music cannot lead to a better understanding and appreciation of Gods creation?

I have seen more people loose their faith due to bad preaching and indecent behaviour of the elder and priests than due to Rock&Roll or Jazz - and I have spoken to lots of people.

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biscuitrat

Sep 12 2005, 08:09 PM

They're only "drums". It's only "music". You can't be possessed by a rhythm. I for one barely believe in possession. At any rate, it's still bogus to me. Perhaps this is because all references to "god" that you make are actually references to Jesus. Not my god, not my concern, not my belief. I know my culture uses drums and pipes frequently simply to play music (usually devotional music) and to entertain. There's nothing remotely demonic about it. Sometimes I wish certain beliefs would just modernize themselves.

The thing about drums and spirits: OK, I believe that my trombone has a voice of its own. That doesn't mean it's going to come out and possess me and cause me to make all sorts of glissandos. Drummers believe each of their drums has a special voice, and by this, they mean its pitch or its tendency to create certain effects. That would be the "spirit" of the drum. It's not a literal ghost living inside a drum waiting to eat the hapless drummer. It's an allusion, nothing more.

So stop acting so afraid of it. It's a drum, it makes music, it's not satanic. Rock and jazz are perfectly all right to listen to, regardless of their prior implications. Heck, Austrailia started out as a penal colony - does that mean the people who live there today are all prisoners? Not everything you read is actually true or can be interpreted as true - just a warning.

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wild20

Sep 13 2005, 12:36 AM

Okay, you guys are a little mixed up. Let me rephrase. It is where jazz and rock and roll come from and their original meaning. Thats the problem. And drums mentioned in the bible were a little different. They were nothing like the drums today. And I didn't say all drums, I said the TRAP SET.

OCAC: Are you saying than, it is okay to kill to better understand god's creation, or watch porn, to better understand creation? That argument can be applied to many different things.

Biscuit: Did I say I was afrain? Maybe scared, but not in a way that is fearful! And I am talking about two spirits. Yes, the spirit of the drum, and the other, a spiritual spirit. The person who said this, actually said, it was a evil angel. There is a board, I can't remember it's name, that you put your hand on it, it rises off the floor and you ask questions and text appears to answer it. This is the devil. Now will you say that it is okay to mess round with it? That the board won't possess you simply by touching it? You are being to skeptical. You can't believe everything you hear, like UFOs, but you must at least research, the ones that could mess with your eternal life.

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biscuitrat

Sep 13 2005, 01:52 AM

Still, the Bible apparently takes place around 2,000 years ago, and up till about 10,000 years, which contradicts scientific history, but whatever. That's 2,000 years of tradition that's been literally interpreted and maybe then, it was a scary thing - but in this day and age, we have a lot more to be afraid of than ghostly drums.

Is the board you mentioned a Ouija board? Because other than for cheap thrills and a fright that lasts maybe a minute at a slumber party, there's nothing harmful about it. Just because something levitates doesn't mean it's the devil. I believe the supernatural and the devil have nothing to do with one another. The devil symbolizes the evil and vice and sin within a Christian belief system - as long as my religion maintains its devil-free outlook, I'm not worried about it. Quite frankly, I'm more afraid than UFOs because it seems a closer possibility. I believe there is life on other planets and one of these days, we might meet them or vice versa.

Also, fear is being afraid of being afraid - it's the fear of the suspense filling that moment. If I'm the one being skeptical, why are you the one trying to accuse a trap set of being evil and possessed? It's inanimate for crying out loud. Possession usually only applies to something that is animate and that previously had control over itself.

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Cerb

Sep 13 2005, 02:16 AM

Plus, one must remember that, according to the Bible, Satan is not allowed to possess a being without permission from God. Also, one who believes in God is far more powerful than Satan.

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iGuest

Sep 12 2008, 03:54 PM

Drums biblical?
Drums, Religion, And Demons?

The Bible tells us what Satans body is made of. Musical instruments are part of what he is made of-He was created as the minister of music in heaven.

(Ezekiel 28:13-14 " You were in Eden, the Garden of God, every precious stone was your covering: The sardius, topaz and diamond, Beryl, onyx, and jasper, Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold. The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes was prepared for you on the day you were created. You were anointed cherub who covers, I established you, you were on the holy mountain of God, you walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.") Thus in this creature of spotless character, flawless beauty, unceasing praise, unimaginable color, and "musical majesty" we have "Lucifer" before he became "Satan" before he fell.

Satan wanted all the praise for himself. You have seen the worship team in church, facing everyone as they play and what do they see? Hands raised up, praying, clapping..Imagine seeing that and saying..I want this for me.

Drums-my people were told that we couldn't use drums because it summoned demonic spirits. Yes, we did have tribes that were polytheistic and summoned spirits. But there were those of us who believed in one God and had many revelations about who He was and is. (Romans 1:20)For ever since the creation of the universe his invisible qualities - both his eternal power and his divine nature - have been clearly seen, because they can be understood from what he has made. Therefore, they have no excuse;

Satan will try to take away every form of praise and worship away from Creator. Especially through music and getting people religious about what can and cant be used to worship the Creator. If Marilyn Manson sold his keyboard and then a church bought it, prayed over it, anointed it and used it in worship is it a demonic keyboard? Is it the keyboard of the person playing it and to who they are playing to?

The drums are all throughout the Scriptures and if you solely rely on English translations of the Bible you will find discrepancy after discrepancy and contradictions. Go to the original language, the Hebrew and the Greek and you wont find these errors and more so, you will find a whole new world of revelation in the Word.

Drums- 19 times they are mentioned in the bible. My favorites being where we are commanded to the beat the drums in praise and the other where God goes to battle to the sound of the drums and harps

Psa 81:2 Start the music! Beat the drum! Play the sweet harp and the flute!

Isa 30:32 Every sweep of the punishing rod that the Lord imposes on him will be to drums and harps, as he brandishes his arm against them in battle.

The literal translation for timbrel/tabret = "tof" drum - in Hebrew: a hide or skin stretched across a wooden frame stuck with the hand or a stick.

Guess what? my people still use drums like these and when you read tambourine remember that the Israelites did not know how to work metal. As enslaved people metal working was not allowed or you could make weapons. This was also a reason why they were scared to go into the promised land because the spies reported that the giants also knew metal working. So...The tambourines didn't have the little metal cymbals until much later.

We have been set free from the religious bond of the world. This is what the Messiah couldn't stand was the spiritual leaders controlling the people through the bonds of religion and heaping controlling laws and rules and regulations on them that they couldn't possibly keep in order to keep money flowing into the temple. This is why Yeshua said, you travel half way across the to make one convert and make them twice as much a son of hell as you are.

Joh 8:32 you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."

-reply by N8tive Warrior of Light

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iGuest

Sep 12 2008, 03:52 PM

The Bible tells us what Satans body is made of. Musical instruments are part of what he is made of-He was created as the minister of music in heaven.

(Ezekiel 28:13-14 " You were in Eden, the Garden of God, every precious stone was your covering: The sardius, topaz and diamond, Beryl, onyx, and jasper, Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold. The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes was prepared for you on the day you were created. You were anointed cherub who covers, I established you, you were on the holy mountain of God, you walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.") Thus in this creature of spotless character, flawless beauty, unceasing praise, unimaginable color, and "musical majesty" we have "Lucifer" before he became "Satan" before he fell.

Satan wanted all the praise for himself. You have seen the worship team in church, facing everyone as they play and what do they see? Hands raised up, praying, clapping..Imagine seeing that and saying..I want this for me.

Drums-my people were told that we couldn't use drums because it summoned demonic spirits. Yes, we did have tribes that were polytheistic and summoned spirits. But there were those of us who believed in one God and had many revelations about who He was and is. (Romans 1:20)For ever since the creation of the universe his invisible qualities - both his eternal power and his divine nature - have been clearly seen, because they can be understood from what he has made. Therefore, they have no excuse;

Satan will try to take away every form of praise and worship away from Creator. Especially through music and getting people religious about what can and cant be used to worship the Creator. If Marilyn Manson sold his keyboard and then a church bought it, prayed over it, anointed it and used it in worship is it a demonic keyboard? Is it the keyboard of the person playing it and to who they are playing to?

The drums are all throughout the Scriptures and if you solely rely on English translations of the Bible you will find discrepancy after discrepancy and contradictions. Go to the original language, the Hebrew and the Greek and you wont find these errors and more so, you will find a whole new world of revelation in the Word.

Drums- 19 times they are mentioned in the bible. My favorites being where we are commanded to the beat the drums in praise and the other where God goes to battle to the sound of the drums and harps

Psa 81:2 Start the music! Beat the drum! Play the sweet harp and the flute!

Isa 30:32 Every sweep of the punishing rod that the Lord imposes on him will be to drums and harps, as he brandishes his arm against them in battle.

The literal translation for timbrel/tabret = "tof" drum - in Hebrew: a hide or skin stretched across a wooden frame stuck with the hand or a stick.

Guess what? my people still use drums like these and when you read tambourine remember that the Israelites did not know how to work metal. As enslaved people metal working was not allowed or you could make weapons. This was also a reason why they were scared to go into the promised land because the spies reported that the giants also knew metal working. So...The tambourines didn't have the little metal cymbals until much later.

We have been set free from the religious bond of the world. This is what the Messiah couldn't stand was the spiritual leaders controlling the people through the bonds of religion and heaping controlling laws and rules and regulations on them that they couldn't possibly keep in order to keep money flowing into the temple. This is why Yeshua said, you travel half way across the to make one convert and make them twice as much a son of hell as you are.

Joh 8:32 you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."

-reply by N8tive Warrior of Light

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Dagoth Nereviar

Jun 23 2008, 11:13 PM

Heeeere comes the retarded book mobile.....

BEEP BEEEP!!!

That is literally the stupidest thing I have ever heard in my entire life. First of all there is literally no evidence that anything to do with demons or posession or any of that is true. Go read the crucible and see what I mean.

Secondly if there is a demon playing through an instrument it certainly isn't a drum. Drums are way not as demonically awesome as the mighty shredstick.

Who ever it was that said about christian rock, RIGHT ON!!!

I personally listen to dogwood alot. They are a christian punk band. They have a very large amount of drums in them being a punk band. Semi quaver kinda drumming. Really into it.

I can't think of many things that are stupider than this. What is his evidence? Other than the light of god.

Who cares about the origins of a name. Particularly when they have more or less nothing to do with the genre in question.

Sex in the back of a car? To be honest, it just makes you want to listen to it more. Half to stick it to anyone stupid enough to take this whack off seriously.

Seriously. Why do people even bother writing this s**t?

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Archangel_Baw

Mar 24 2008, 07:39 AM

I think the author of that 'religious book' you read needs to get his/her head examined. And so do you if you believe that bs!

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byte

Jan 16 2006, 07:51 PM

WHAT! I love rock music, metal ect....Rap music is: GET DRUGS! UNDER AGE SEX! BENFIT FRAUD! RAPE! MURDER! KILL EVERYONE WHO IS DIFFERENT!

Ahh.....religion is getting outa control. I've got a friend who is a jehovas witness...He cannot go to collge/uni , have a gf, he has to go round peoples house and show them a bible! Hes not sure what to think...

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