Read Latest Entries..: (Post #17) by Mermaid711 on Jan 13 2008, 09:17 PM. (Line Breaks Removed)
QUOTE(Laos @ Nov 26 2006, 09:46 PM) ( so noone steals my theroy dated 11/26/07 I THOUGHT THIS UP, at least i am sure i have)Ummm, no. The discovery chanel guys thought this up. I've seen these theories many times before.QUOTE*religious fanatics, GO AWAY! I don't want flaming for my idea*First of all, may I correct your grammar? It would be religion fanactics. Not religious... read more.
( so noone steals my theroy dated 11/26/07 I THOUGHT THIS UP, at least i am sure i have)
*religious fanatics, GO AWAY! I don't want flaming for my idea*
Dunno if i heard this anywhere or parts, but this is how i believe the universe works
1. Everything started and ended with a Black Hole. As the Universe Expands, its held together by a Inter-Galactic Black Hole ( The size of a galaxy) and when it begins to contract, it merely means the Inter-Galactic Black Hole has overpowered the universe 2. Black Holes Keep all things together, like the Inter-Galactic Black Hole, Galactic Black Holes, hold Galaxies together, some are only strong enough to hold the galaxy together, while others suck parts of it within itself 3. Everything ends and starts over from this Black Hole As the Blackhole begins to contract the Universe, Galaxies, dust, nebulas, etc are sucked in, and because by the laws of physics, being that no matter is created or destroyed, the Matter in the galaxies/nebulas etc is compressed and is teleported like a wormhole to the end of the contracting galaxy, just to be pushed back in line, As the Universe gets smaller and smaller, literally the matter is flying in and out beyond the speed of light, this could go on for eons in our time. This phase is a lot like the Big Crunch, where everything is a massive looping black hole
Until, well, what happens when you mix hydrogen, Oxygen, and a electrical spark? A massive explosion, and water,
Look at it this way, one small conversion of Bonds in the matter, a massive explosion, and the Universe once more
It's hardly unique, I'd say 'twas a variation of the Infinite Big Crunch Theory, where the universe alternates between expansion and contraction. Perhaps the only difference is the key role blackholes play in this... universe.
True, scientists have been able to detect blackholes through their effect on surrounding matter. However, it can be disputed that matter sucked into a blackhole is teleported elsewhere. For now, blackholes are not, repeat, not portals to another part of the universe, entrances to a wormhole or doors to another world/dimension.
However, I do think that blackholes have this ability to shred matter into its most primitive components. A heavy element, like a gold atom, for example, might have its electrons stripped and its nucleus shredded into alpha particles. These two particles of matter would then escape only through the twin outflow jets perpendicular to the blackhole's accretion disk, hence the radiation. I know it's kinda dubious, since the radiation we actually get here on earth are the EM waves and not alpha and beta particles but it's just a thought. Maybe the particles are, later on, incorporated into other stars or galaxies.
About mixing hydrogen, oxygen and an electric spark, I doubt oxygen atoms themselves exist per se inside a blackhole. Allow me to digress a bit. Deep in the sun's core run the process of fusion. The pressure is so great that subatomic particles exist singly. Protons themselves collide to form deuterium, then tritium and finally helium, absorbing and firing singular protons all the time. Inside a blackhole, the pressure of all the matter sucked in would be too great for electrons to remain in their orbits or for nuclei to stay intact. So I doubt it'd be like that but sure, I do concede that an explosion, in my opinion, is inevitable.
But see here, the books of Genesis and Revelations in the Bible say... oh, never mind. Enough of that preposterous crap
I remember somewhere that galaxies are moving away from each other, one side of the milky way faster then the other, therefore wouldn't that sugest we could figure out the direction of the explosion by reversing the direction galaxies are moving away from the center. Can't we just look there and see if a giant black hole exists.
On another note, black hole jets aren't particles escaping from inside the black hole but in fact are particles carying energy from the enormously energetic particles colliding into the black hole. Also in a black hole gravity breaks down everything into quarks. Those make up protons and nucleus so you won't even have hydrogen.
But there could be something galaxy size black hole likish, because right now no one can explain the amount of matter needed to hold the universe's curve near it's current mathematical level of almost 1, where less then one is the universe curving like a sphere, colapsing in the future. And above 1, the universe is like a saddle, expanding forever.
Something uneveplainable, dubbed "dark energy", is holding it at almsot 1(too close to see which way but definatly not 1). That dark energy could be anything.
I see where your coming from. But one, its not that orginal. And two, to much about Black holes. A Blak Hole is a dead star. Although it is massive for us, it is not that big compared to rest of the universe.
Alright, it may not be the most original theory in the world, but it makes sense. Although I have a dying question or so: how are you getting matter to go faster than the speed of light? You might be referencing tachyons, but I'm assuming you're talking about ordinary matter.
Haha, reminds me of K-PAX actually.
Oh, one more thing: are you considering dark matter, or do black holes constitute dark matter?
Although I have a dying question or so: how are you getting matter to go faster than the speed of light?
Well supposidly (what I have heard maybe someone else can explain better) is that a blackhole, if any matter is sucked in, will go faster than the speed of light. Now this can't be proven obviously, but judging by studies that scientists have made this is a theory that is pretty solid. The amount of force that a blackhole has is tremendous and uncomprehendable. The theory, as many of you say is not original, is a good one in my opinion. Constant contractions and expasions eventually causing a "big bang".
Blackholes are extremely hard to spot, and occur much farther out in space then we would normally travel, actually never travel. If I remember correctly don't they actually surround us? The pulls are also very specific, the force at which the blackhole can pull is limited to its outer boundary (I think! Not sure). So the idea of something eventually touching the boundary and bouncing back etc. etc. is believable, especially something like an atom. Good theory whether orginal or not.
I love how you bash religion immediately. As if because someone believes in God they must be nuts right off the bat.
Doesn't really matter what you believe about God, Creation, or anything else for that matter if when it comes down to facing destiny you realize you've been wrong about it all. What if there is absolute truth?
Part of faith is believing in the face of uncertainty. Just like bravery isn't a lack of fear, but facing it. So you yourself have a religion of sorts. You believe in something you cannot KNOW. You cannot know, because despite all interpretations of evidence, we cannot know if GOD created the universe just as we cannot know random chance produced it. So you take your faith in random chance and the interpretations of evidence (Dogma and Doctrine) you've been given by certain scientists (your Priests, and you have the Religion of evolution (your church).
I admire your faith! I don't admire the object of your faith however. Because if you're right, you won't have to face your god or any other in any type of after-life. But if you're wrong, you just may have to face my God and wonder why He isn't your God!
"Seek the truth, not ideas" ~ Veritas *person*
Oh, and lest you think that I intended "flaming your idea" please realize that my comments are in no way critical of the underlying science and concepts you've promoted here. Can't all of this be happening more or less, and God be in absolute control of it all? Since there are billions of people in the world who do believe in a god of some sorts, that means being religious is actually normal. Just please don't "flame" what I believe? I am very interested in scientific theory. It can be very tiring to see and hear people discount the validity of anyone's argument who speaks the word "god" in less than condescending tones. It is important to see and hear more than one side of scientific arguments. Please consider examining some of the scientific articles you can find archived at www.answersingenesis.org. Even if you disregard some of the "fluff" of the site, check out some of their concepts of black holes, light travel, etc., and see what you think. Don't forget that there are scientists who do have different viewpoints.
The idea of a god stems from the realization that we're very tiny insignificant things; we're not any specific milestone. We were an accident. Of course, people don't like thinking that. Look, it's fire! It must have been a spirit watching over us! OH SWEET, THE WHEEL! Stop messing with the natural forces!
The creation theory has several gaps.
1) Time: The earth is not only a few thousand years old. We wouldn't have dinosaurs then. But of course, if you don't believe in radiocarbon dating, that's...peachy.
2) "Necessity" for morality: Religions enforce morality, but they don't create it. Little kids learn from their parents and people around them. The pack mentality.
3) The "guardian spirit": So you think there's someone who, while playing dollhouse with the human race (and the ANIMALS and the PLANTS and the BACTERIA - we're talking quadrillions or more), can spend time with each individual person? By that theory, murderers should be struck down for even thinking of committing a crime. We wouldn't need law enforcement - we'd have a spirit watching over us, of course!
I'm not an atheist, but I'm very liberal in my beliefs. What I do is what I do by myself. My gods didn't do it for me, like some people want to think. I have a religion still because I feel there's an optimism in religion, a hope, and miracles do happen that you just can't explain. But for practical reasons, no, it's not a viable source of history, science, or anything but the growth of civilizations. As if that's not significant!
Evolution, on the other hand, can be backed up in numerous ways. Evolution has more than just written evidence - it had physical evidence. The theory of Pangaea is extremely strong - species on some continents are the same as species on other continents with the same climate, and an interlocking coastline? To everyone who wants to disprove evolution, please have some evidence first. Belief is not physical evidence.
As for the creation of the world...there's the Law Of Conservation of Mass, so I'm guessing whirly particles from a black hole became stuck in some planet's orbit and whirled into a molten rock. Over time, life, water, everything came about. Creation can't explain that or the presence of other planets without invoking a deus ex machina (literally) to jump that hurdle for it.
In essence, there is fact and then there is religion.
Your creation theory seems possible (although I'm sure that someone has thought about it before), but still doesn't answer the big question. Your Creation Theory isn't much of a creation, but of development. It does not answer how the Universe was created, but it explains how it works. Your theory does not explain how matter came to be and there isn't any easy way out of this problem... matter didn't just appear out of nothing. I don't believe in God or in the classical creation theory (God made all things out of thin air). I do believe in evolution, I believe that humans weren't created, but evolved from something else. Science pretty much explained more or less everything until it comes to the birth of the Universe. The problem is that you can't say... "The Universe has always been there!"... Where did matter came from? We know, maybe not in detail, but at least the basics of the way the Universe works. What we don't know is how it came to be... But I'm sure that someday mankind will have enough knowledge to explain the birth of the Universe. That day may not come soon, but will surely come. 100 years ago we were only wondering what is space, what is the Universe. Knowledge, in my opinion, is just like the Universe...infinite. We will always learn, but we will never know everything!
There is one thing people easy forget...WHAT GOOD WILL IT DO FOR YOU IF YOU SOMEDAY UNDERSTAND HOW THINGS BEGAN AND HOW THEY ARE GOING TO END???
The thing is, that one should not think about stuff that does not lead to eternal happiness in the sense of unattachment and pure compassion!
If there was a black hole or a white hole? Where is the difference? How will it help you become a better person and become less attached to this transitory material world?
( so noone steals my theroy dated 11/26/07 I THOUGHT THIS UP, at least i am sure i have)
Ummm, no. The discovery chanel guys thought this up. I've seen these theories many times before.
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*religious fanatics, GO AWAY! I don't want flaming for my idea*
First of all, may I correct your grammar? It would be religion fanactics. Not religious fanatics.
And second of all, that is just BEGGING to be flamed. Don't tell someone to go away, there's nothing wrong with constructive critism. And anyways, flaming here is strictly forbidden. . .
And since when is this your idea? I could of sworn I saw it on the discovery chanel a month ago
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1. Everything started and ended with a Black Hole. As the Universe Expands, its held together by a Inter-Galactic Black Hole ( The size of a galaxy) and when it begins to contract, it merely means the Inter-Galactic Black Hole has overpowered the universe
What? Sense makes none. . . can you please rephrase that?
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2. Black Holes Keep all things together, like the Inter-Galactic Black Hole, Galactic Black Holes, hold Galaxies together, some are only strong enough to hold the galaxy together, while others suck parts of it within itself
I can see this. There is a black hole in the center of our galaxy, but it is currently being nice to us at the moment (HAHA saint_michael ) And it's not even strong enough to hold the galaxy together, seeing as how the milky way is slowly expanding outwords of it.
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3. Everything ends and starts over from this Black Hole As the Blackhole begins to contract the Universe, Galaxies, dust, nebulas, etc are sucked in, and because by the laws of physics, being that no matter is created or destroyed, the Matter in the galaxies/nebulas etc is compressed and is teleported like a wormhole to the end of the contracting galaxy, just to be pushed back in line, As the Universe gets smaller and smaller, literally the matter is flying in and out beyond the speed of light, this could go on for eons in our time. This phase is a lot like the Big Crunch, where everything is a massive looping black hole
Well, the only black hole in the entire universe that might even come close to this is some billion light years away, and 18 times the size of the Sun. But that isn't big enough to pull things on the outer edges of the universe in to it. And it has never been proven that there are warmholes on the other sides of black holes, seeing as how all that goes in is never ever seen again. And isn't there only one universe? I am pretty sure there is, unless all that gets sucked into is transfered into another universe.
This is a seperate post because I felt it was seperate in the whole message I wish to convey as, people, this discussion is supposed to be about the leading scientific theory of expansion and collapse of the universe.
Here is a basic overveiw of this theory in physics: (Laos, sorry but you are not the first, but you got commendably far on your own)
The universe begins at the big bang, no real known reason. Via entropy the universe eventually burns out, the final generation of a few stars die out, probably sometime in the first half trillion years, probably less. In a pitch-black, luke-warm universe, matter and even light is slowly slowed and swallowed by the coallessing black holes. Eventually an omega black hole formed of all universal matter and almost all energy may form. Black holes don't release nothing from their cell. Over a great many years, perhaps a google, or a googeplex, this super black hole will release its matter and energy in the form of high energy gamma waves, or, due to the size of the omegahole in an even higher form of theoretical energy.
From this point onwards is supposition, is there but an eternity of irradiated darkness as even dark matter and energy may be consumed by orbiting and colliding black holes?
Perhaps a huge amount of unstable energies emmited from a black hole eventually tear themselves apart into energies more familiar to us, or perhaps random and exotic, perhaps this dark end spurs a new big bang?
All of this is just a theory restating the first post here in basic physics as proven and supposed.
Personally, I doubt it is this simple, but this may be a large part of the truth.
Look, here is the most logical perspective I know of... and in logic nothing of supposistion is certain, but neither is it false. If one is without a Faith then a god is a theoretical being who began the universe, but you cannot with certainty disprove the existance of a god.
Also, only a fundamentalist of a religion rejects science and reason on basis of Faith alone. Only a fool asumes he knows the truth, Faith is capable of being different than Athiestic elitism (though not all athiesm or agnosticism) by allowing reason into supposition. Perhaps, psychologically, some could call Faith a theory... but it doesn't naturally have to conflict with scientific theory and thus bashing faith is pointless.
...[sigh]...
Alright, sorry for that if you knew already, but I had to make it clear.
Anyhow, a God creating, guiding, playing with, or dealing with the souls from a universe conflicts with no scientific theory.
( so noone steals my theroy dated 11/26/07 I THOUGHT THIS UP, at least i am sure i have)
*religious fanatics, GO AWAY! I don't want flaming for m.........
ok fair enough everyone is entitled to there own theory but some being better or worse than outhers unless there is substantial evidence to support the theory then it canot be verify in the least to say the theory stands to reason .
you contredict yourself
there is not just one galexy there is an uncountable amount of them the galexy to knolage is greatly infact unmesurably smaller than the universe the unseverse is a term used to sum up space and everything in it thus being that the universe is significantly larger than a galaxy.
black holes although proven to colaps in on itself and proven to sustaine itself with the amased amount swallowd for lack of a better word everything around them.canot sustaine a galaxy and never could because they are known to be a void in space containing nothing but more space.
now eventhogh your theory is to some length belevable i would myself test that theory of yours with a grave lack of proof wich could never be shown. as it can ever be proven that black holes sustaine our galaxy because our galaxy is in space which is in the universe which sustaines the orch cloud if our galaxy was to be susstaind by a black hole we could never see it as we cant see that far out.
but as i canot prove your theory to be radcle and unsubstantial nor can you prove that my theory to be true so inturn neither of us can be rite as neither of us can be wrong its up to the general public to decide.
1) Time: The earth is not only a few thousand years old. We wouldn't have dinosaurs then. But of course, if you don't believe in radiocarbon dating, that's...peachy.
I've actually read a book where the information regarding carbon dating stated that it is used to date objects 35,000 years or less. I can go dig it out and tell you the name if anybody wants to know more, but this book does seem to have legitimate sources and wasn't written by psychos.
I am assuming the time travel properties established by Michael J. Fox in the Back To the Future
movies. The main point of this is that if you travel to a different time, and you and your double
meet, the universe does not implode. It also assumes that when you time travel, you are not the
only you in the whole time-space continuum, and that there is a possibility to meet your double. It
is different from the other theories that once you time travel, you won't find yourself in that
reality as you were, so if you went back in time to see yourself as a baby, the bab....
I have this theory about 'doing your best'. When your doing your best, literally you should
be doing the maximum of your capabilities? So that's 100%! What if your 'not doing your
best', so your slacking. Isn't it true that your then doing your best in not doing 100% of
your capabilities, but like 60%? So basically, your doing your best to reach that 60%. Your doing
100% your best in doing 60% of the maximum of your capabilities. With the punchline at the end:
Your always doing your best (100%) in everything. Title modified ....
Introduction: I have always had a theory on what is outside the universe where we have never been
and telescopes cannot see. I actually saw a variation of this in the beginning intro to a Simpsons
episode where they zoomed out until you could see all of the galaxies and then kept zooming out
until there were lots of galaxies and that turned into molecules which turned back into Homers
forhead where at that point he says "woahhhh" in a stupid sort of way which makes me laugh. My
Theory: We don't know whats smaller than a quork (think i spelled that wrong) and we ....
In my opinion evolution of the galaxy is a process of creation of smaller solar systems out of
bigger ones. At the same time materia is being transformed into energy – light with releasing
of nuclear energy. Egyptian myth about Osiris, Isis and Horus will help us illustrate this process.
Osiris and Isis had been brother and sister, who became husband and wife. They also had a brother
Seth (Satan). Jealous Seth tricked Osiris and managed to lock him inside a wooden box in which
Osiris died. Isis found this wooden box and managed to bring Osiris back to life for a ....
I think life might be a conspiracy... I mean, how can atoms and molecules work together to form
thought and motion. Maybe life and thought is a completely different dimension, and we jsut
haven't realized it yet. Maybe thought is made in that dimension by things we can't imagine
and then are sent from that dimension to our dimension. I suppose that makes sense... What do you
guys think? (Sorry if I confused you. lol)....
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I've seen these theories many times before.
