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Ok, Ok, where to start.Firstly, to dispel the myth that either communism or FME actually exist. People often cite the USSR as the communist superpower and therefore associate it to with the losses of freedom and other events that occurred there. There is no country in the world (yup, not even you Americans) that have a FME, you will always have Government Intervention of some kind. But the nationalisation of banks, helping struggling car manufacturers and a national wage are all forms of Governm...
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Communism? Vs Free Market Economy?

FreedomOverdose
This is what I think about this topic. It may seem as a strange answer, anyway. I think that neither pure communism nor pure FME is desirable.. Both do bring advantages but the disadvantages far outweight it. The best economic system is therefore the mixed economy ; The government can act as a watchdog to regulate the activities of the private sector and will have as aim to maximise social welfare. The private sector on the other hand will bring in economic efficiency owing to the profit motive aim. It is therefore a truism that the mixed economy is the best economic system in a modern world . Anyway, it's not that easy, since you can't draw a simple line on how far the gov should access the market. Anyway, I think that time will show it. What do you ppl think?

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joeblogg
free market economy is obviously much better than communism, in communist countries you can't do anything free. some communist countries are less strict than others but the main message of communism is that people have no rights and the government controls everything. in free market economy you can do a lot more things than in a communist economy. i'd say most people in like america or something would agree with me but i'm sure some people don't. its just my opinion.

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(G)

The idea behind communism was to create an economy in which everybody is equal. Communism as a theory is great but in real life it can't work.


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andresf91
Saying communism is a theory may lead to confusion.
Dialectic materialism is rather a "guide for action". So if "in real life it can't work", it's because it's not absolutely developed.
You have to make a difference between the stages, that is: National Liberation process, construction of Socialism, and Communism in which classes are abolished.
There will be always violence in this process. This doesn't mean that there will be civil war. It's not necessary in those societies where there are established democratic customs, or where socialist alliances are voted to head the Government. But it wouldn't peaceful: capitalist won't sit tight while the properties are expropriated, right?
So my point is that you can't decide between two theories: the practical things are important? Do we want a world where one class rules another or not?
I don't.

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fermin25
Neither Communism nor Free Market Economy are good systems...

The best goverment system already exist... This system is the NationalSocialism (Nazi)...

Yeah the NationalSocialism system was the greatest for the german people...The corruption disappears, Germany experimented a quick growth... Germany was a great people...

I think the communism is destinated to dissapear and the Cuban Socialism too... They are decadent systems...

The NationalSocialism is the answer for 21st Century...

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inverse_bloom
LOL, m8 i wouldn't promote the ideals of National socialism to loudly, even in these times. I wonder how many eyebrows were raised by reading the last post.

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andresf91
QUOTE (inverse_bloom @ May 25 2009, 09:10 AM) *
I wonder how many eyebrows were raised by reading the last post.

You bet that...

QUOTE (fermin25 @ May 25 2009, 07:27 AM) *
The NationalSocialism is the answer for 21st Century...

It's isn't funny as a joke...
So you say that our countries should surge from this crisis with a strong belligerent feeling which would result in an a dominance from the most powerful country over the other, whether by armed occupation or strategic alliances (the Anchluss or NATO, let's say).-This last part sounds too familiar!
The economies will grow because of war, we'll produce guns, jets and ships, and machines to make them, and that will move our economy. Tell how gratifying can be to work in a factory that makes all this things, sane people we'll get for sure.
Meanwhile, lots of schools will be created, where children will be taught how to identify the enemy for their looks and call the army as soon as they see someone strange.

Does it looks like heaven?
Not even joking man.

 

 

 


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TheDisturbedOne
QUOTE (fermin25 @ May 25 2009, 10:27 AM) *
Neither Communism nor Free Market Economy are good systems...

The best goverment system already exist... This system is the NationalSocialism (Nazi)...

Yeah the NationalSocialism system was the greatest for the german people...The corruption disappears, Germany experimented a quick growth... Germany was a great people...

I think the communism is destinated to dissapear and the Cuban Socialism too... They are decadent systems...

The NationalSocialism is the answer for 21st Century...

The best government system was Nazism? Are you off your rocker? Nazism only flourished because it boosted morale for Germans after World War I. Think about it, if an entire war was blamed on your country, and your country had to pay money because of it which led to inflation, wouldn't you support a strong leader that wanted to boost morale? This led to hitler selecting a "master race" and clensing the country (and later the continent) of those not fitting that race.

Communism (and socialism) will never work. There should be some government regulation to make sure that no company or corperation has too much control over an industry (cough Freddy and Fannie), but not to the extent that the government controls everything. The government shouldn't be telling you what you should or shouldn't be doing (again to an extent). I believe in limited censorship, meaning that there is censorship, but little of it. Meaning that if you want to say that the government sucks...you can do so. If you run a TV show, you can do whatever you want on it, as long as a viewer is informed on the content.

As for communism there are even more reasons why it doesn't work. Number one, there is no incentive to work. Since everybody are equal, and everybody earns the same amount of money, what incentive is there to work? If you can earn the same amount as a doctor, as truck driving...is there really a reason to go to college and get a degree when you can earn the same dropping out of high school and truck driving? Complete government control never works, just look at what happened to Berlin. They had to build a wall to keep people in, and many people risked their lives to get to capitalism and out of communism. On the contrary, the United States government has to build a wall to keep people out, coming here because of democracy and capitalism. It really tells you that people tend to prefer capitalism and the ability to earn money over communism and government control.

A current day comparison of the Berlin example is North Korea. Not only is North Korea communist, but it is controlled by a luny psychopath (IMHO). The North Koreans are branwashed to believe word for word everything that the leader says, and worship him like a God. There is a certian way that you have to take a photo of "The Great Leader" and he can do nothing wrong. Homes of North Koreans have no family pictures, but pictures of Kim Jung Ill and his father. The North Koreans have no Internet, and all the TV stations are controlled by the government, so the government can manipulate the news and tell the residents whatever they want them to hear. Border crossings are similar to the Berlin wall, consisting of electric fences and minefields. The few places where you can cross safely are guarded by north Korean forces who are instructed to shoot anybody trying to cross, even fellow guards. The few people that do escape get their family (including extended family) killed.

This is all my opinion, with facts scattered around (the North Korea part is all factual though) so feel free to disagree with it, just provide an answer why you disagree.

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networker
I prefer to think of socialism being more ideal rather than
communism.That is, socialism that includes free enterprise.
Lot's of it.

In the ideal society the government would regulate how successful
a private enterprise could be, so as to not allow monopolies,
and also to keep certain necessary, essential services(i.e public
transport, medical) centralized
and to stop them ever becoming privatized.

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TheDisturbedOne
The problem with centralized services (ex universal healthcare) is that too many people would take advantage of the system, and drive up costs for all of us. All it takes is people going to the hospital every day for a year (yes it has been done, check weird news) and the prices will slowly increase. It's like having a person digging holes in your favorite highway. The effects of some people (person digging up the road) effects everybody (normal commuters like you an me).

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dangerdan
Ok, Ok, where to start.

Firstly, to dispel the myth that either communism or FME actually exist. People often cite the USSR as the communist superpower and therefore associate it to with the losses of freedom and other events that occurred there. There is no country in the world (yup, not even you Americans) that have a FME, you will always have Government Intervention of some kind. But the nationalisation of banks, helping struggling car manufacturers and a national wage are all forms of Government intervention. Thus, both are just theories.

Communism is significantly harder to achieve and it is for this reason that I believe FME is a better policy. However, the self-regulated financial market has recently imploded and the FM has forsaken us all, or its part of the empirical cyclical nature of GDP known as the business cycle. I believe the laws of supply and demand are a better way of running an economy than a planned economy based around a "X year plan".

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TheDisturbedOne
You are correct, in my opinion. Government needs to have some control, to make sure that companies aren't purposely raising prices (*cough Exxonmobil) and to make sure that they don't make a monopoly (which is hand in hand with the price manipulation). But when it comes to the government making decisions for you about what you buy, I think that is way too much government control.

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