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Cloning is a medical unrealized or that cannot be realized condition. Problems will occur if a human being is cloned. But surely, I am stating from recently updates, but In the future nothing can be predicted and nothing can be sure, as humans medicine will develop to create a human clone.Problems, arise when comes to moral and integrity. There will be problems in dealing with religion and moral, I am sure for that. In the other point of view, if this technique is used to create or substitute or...
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Cloning - Your opinion on cloning

Zorkaplex
What is everyones stance on cloning and why. In my health class today we had a big disscution on this.

I think for some perposess it should be illegal like organ harvesting or medical testing.

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moldboy
Well forst what's your stand? But I thing that full body cloning, not good, who would want an army of bill gates running around? Not me that's for sure. But small tissue cloning would be great, just think of what you could fix, "need a kidney? give my 7 days and I'll grow you one." (This statement does not indicate an actual offer)

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Angel
I don't think you can "clone" a kidney, persay. That's more related to stem cell research instead of cloning.

For cloning, I think it's all right to clone animals and things like that. Heck, we breed the animals and use all these hormones and things inside the animal feed. It would be better to just clone the animals instead of using so many hormones, I would think. But, I'm against human cloning because it would just be creepy if a service was created to "revive the dead".

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conret
i dont think cloning should be done on the entire body so a whole new person is made but instead like they can clone a heart od organ so that you wont have to pay millions for organs.

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sxyloverboy
hm im not so sure about cloning. well i think i wouldent be for cloneing humans. maybe just get a really nice fat cow and pig and clone them many times to get the meat. once cloneing becomes economical enough for there to b e a profit in that kind of food solution. There was an article here some time ago that said somehting about a printer that could print human organs and all that kind of stuff. i think that goes into the direction of what conret is talking about. just clone certain types of organs to fit in with sick people.


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Zorkaplex
Ummm i would say i am against cloning. I do belivie we can find a use for cloning eventually so i am not saying it is evil or anything. Also the government has banned cloning but rich people could still fund thier own reasearch without the government knowing!! Dosent that just push your buttons! Plus if cloning was like you could live forever it would be totally unfair to the lower class!

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no9t9
I think we should start by outlining the issue. I think the big problem with cloning are some of the unethical applications for it. Namely, cloning a human being.

One reason for not cloning human beings is because of the "soul" factor. If you cloned yourself, who or what soul would be in the clone? Would your soul share two bodies? These are some of the questions that are raised when speaking on a spiritual point of view.

Moving on to something more "real", we come to the fact that a human clone can have many possible applications. The first thing that comes to mind for most people is "immortality". Cloning yourself means that you can have a "bag of spare parts" that will be available when you get into trouble. Say you have a heart attack and you need a transplant, your clone will have the perfect donar heart. Is this murder? Is this acceptable?

Eventually, it might be possible to actually transplant your brain into a clone body and then you will be young again. (This is the true fountain of youth). What implications does this have on society? Would this mean over population? Are clones people? Should they be used like this?

If you look at cloning animals, none of these issues arise. This is because animals usually aren't considered to have a soul. It is acceptable to kill animals (to eat, for medical reasons, etc.). cloning can be good in this case because you can clone endangered species or even extinct species a la jurassic park. This is probably a benefit to society.

For me, I think cloning is the way to go. With all technologies there are always good and bad things. It is how we use them that makes it good or bad. The technology itself is not bad.

 

 

 


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LocalSeer
I think what really scares people isn't that they could clone humans but that they might make a super clone race. Kindof like the second foundation in Issac Assimov's Foundation series. I think it's just another step in evolution before everyone is immortal and genetically so superior we are all equal, so I'm fine for it, better for my (add many grands here) kids. Plus, reproduction is basically the random mixing and copying of two different existing gene patterns. All we add is some control, I'm all for it.

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sportytalk
I have reasons for being both for and against the cloning. It can help in matters like replacing someone's kidneys without the need of spending too much time and effort in repairing, when usually this is not possible in the first place.

However, I don't feel it's right that we should be cloning a real human. If we clone a person, then it's like having multiple people of the same person and soul.

It'd be just like those programs that show on the television, whereby a scientist or character gets cloned and causes havoc. It would just be so unrealistic and cause shock. All things have bad side-effects as well as the good.

These are my opinions anyway.

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ciroxyz
I dont know if anyone watched the movie "The Island" but its great and its about cloning.

Its about how people (usually rich folks) used clones as their "insurance policies". That is, if a "real" person gets sick or has an accident, then the clone is used as a replacement. So, the clone ends dead, and "customer" ends happy.
The problem is that clones didnt knew what was going on. They were told that there is contamination out there and that there is only one island that is not contaminanted. And that "underground" clone society had a lottery program where they choose "a random" member (clone) to get transfered to the island.

Great movie, and those things you mentioned are predicted quite well, although, a bit on a dark side.
Cloning whole person is bad, in my opinion (I would be jelaous of my clone), but "organ replication" sounds as a much better solution to a lot of prolems for which people would generaly use cloning.

If it only existed...

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webishqiptar
Cloning is a medical unrealized or that cannot be realized condition. Problems will occur if a human being is cloned. But surely, I am stating from recently updates, but In the future nothing can be predicted and nothing can be sure, as humans medicine will develop to create a human clone.

Problems, arise when comes to moral and integrity. There will be problems in dealing with religion and moral, I am sure for that. In the other point of view, if this technique is used to create or substitute organs it can be a good thing.

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IamAg
Some of my cloning ramblings in a nutshell
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No one will be an exact copy of another (unless you [somehow] incorporate their memories and personality as well). However, psychological development, as well as physical treatment, DO NOT factor into cloning. If you kick a baby (never have), they might have a scar there for the rest of their life. Just because you clone someone DOES NOT mean that they will, inevitably, grow up, maybe not even go through the same developmental patterns, the same way.
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"cloning" is not what it seems. It is NOT duplicating a person. It is merely using that persons genes and not combining them with another's. This will be subject to many gene replications and environmental factors and the person will be very different. Much like that of identical twins, they have the same genes but can be very different. The only problem with cloning now, is not advanced enough to create a person without risk. If you take a 50 year olds cells and clone them, then you are cloning a cell that is 50 years old, so the clone will start off from a cell that is 50 years old. This is the reason dolly had her problems. However, it would be very possible to clone a new born.( even though the cells were freshly created by the body )


Cloning will also releive childbirth somewhat, pick someones genes you want, go to a "cloning bank" FUTURE... and clone their cells:)

I think that there is a clearly evident ethical problem with the type of cloning described in this post. Under this type of cloning, the parents wish to clone a new child to replace an old one. As if the clone of deceased 8 year old Billy is going to spring out of the womb and say "golly ma and pa, I sure missed ya!" Cloning a child to be a replacement of a lost one would place an unfair burden on the cloned child. The child would be made to exist for the main purpose of being someone who he or she is not, and could very conceivably be held to aritificial and impossible-to-meet standards, HOWEVER
Discussing the "ethics" of cloning in such a case is utterly pointless.

The only thing which is relevant are the long-term effects of any decision.

In the case of a single couple using cloning to 'get their son back', there really aren't any remarkable long-term effects, so the only wasted effort is that of those parents and anyone who discusses the aforementioned ethics of such a procedure.

However, if tens of thousands or more people (not necessarily couples) were to use cloning for reproductive purposes, the surge in the human population we observed during the 20th century might very well look like a minor increase.

Hence the scientifically acceptable answer: reproductive cloning is a big no, unless the 'natural' way somehow doesn't work anymore for the entire human population (very unlikely).
Therapeutic cloning, however, is worth every single effort, as its long-term effects are more than likely to be overwhelmingly positive.

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jayzeed
First we should start with the definitionDefining Cloning:
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Cloning is the production of two or more beings that are complete genetic copies of one another. There are two types of cloning:

I. Cloning by induced identical twinning. As the fertilized egg splits into two cells, each of them is then induced to make a fresh start and behave as if it were the original fertilised egg. Each half would then grow into a separate foetus, and having come from the same fertilised egg, they would be carrying exactly identical genetic components.

II. Ordinary cloning, which is achieved by injecting a nucleus from a somatic cell of an adult animal into an egg whose nucleus had been removed. The cell would then grow into a foetus that would be a true genetic copy of the adult living animal from which the somatic cell nucleus was taken.

I am 50% catholic, but i have nothing wrong with cloning. the main problem with cloning would be overpopulation.
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Roman Catholicism and other Christian denominations believe that the soul enters the body at the moment of conception when the sperm and egg unite. They feel harvesting cells for embryonic cloning is tantamount to live human experimentation and contrary to God's will. Further, they maintain producing cloned zygotes that are unlikely to survive is tantamount to murder. Some Christian conservatives express concern that cloned embryos would have no soul, since it was, in their view, born outside of God's parameters. (Even though some believe Eve was a clone of Adam via Genesis 2:22. Then the Lord God made a woman from the part he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.)

Other Christian traditions like the United Church of Christ do not believe a fertilized ovum constitutes a person. They believe that cloning can be conducted ethically in order to help treat disease and improve the public health.


Cloning for recreational use would be a BAD THING, cloning to reproduce important world leaders, or dinosuars tongue.gif would be helpful, important people, would be a serious thing to use this for, cloning to have children for people who cant would be helpful. Cloning should be kept TOP-SECRET confidential to only world leaders, and Government scientists. also for target training would be good for government use, but cruel
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In any case, human cloning is still a long way away, and the evaluation of its immediate advantages and disad- vantages may vary with the passage of time. It would, even, be premature to say that after so many years of genetic engineering in plants, its safety for humans has been definitely established. Its applications in animals is as yet in its very early stages. Unpredictability is probably the greatest concern in this respect. Mankind should not forget the lessons of splitting the atom whose unexpected consequences emerged only after some time. Close monitoring of plant and animal cloning experiments must, therefore, continue for a considerable time.


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Rev. Demetri Demopulos, Greek Orthodox pastor and geneticist:

As an Orthodox Christian, I speak out in opposition to any attempt to clone a human being because humans are supposed to be created by acts of love between two people, not through the manipulation of cells in acts that are ultimately about self-love.



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rpgsearcherz
Cloning should stay illegal because it is playing God....

That's my religious side that says that, mostly due to society.

But in all honesty....I wonder if God isn't the one who taught people how to clone in the first place.

My issue with it really...Is that cloned beings can not really have a "soul." I mean there is only one of each person, right? Imagine an exact copy of you running around. It would be thinking like you, acting like you, etc. To me that's not a "clone," it's a robot without feelings.

I guess for me it's a very touchy subject because I can see both sides of it: for and against cloning. Personally I'm against it but it's very hard to justify the feeling, it just doesn't feel right to me.

(For the record, cloning of other organisms has been going on for tens of years, from plants to animals. I consider the genetically mutated cows - that bring more meat or more milk - and genetically mutated fruits to be clones as well. Because technically that's what they are.)

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zakaluka
I think that most people just jump to the extreme scenario where there are legions of clones being used as slaves and second-class citizens. That is a ways away and it would be very hard for governments or private companies to do something like this without there being quite a lot of moral outrage from around the world.

For the more immediate future, if there is a way to grow organs using a limited form of cloning, I fully support it. I don't support cloning a fully conscious human being just to kill him / her for the organs.

In addition, if cloning can be used on rare species to increase their numbers, I am in support of that as well (although, we don't want to end up in a scenario where all the current members of a species come from one parent / set of parents -- see problems with purebred dogs for details). Also, if we can find a good specimen of cattle / goat / sheep / etc. and clone it in order to increase food yield, I am thoroughly for the idea.

The whole point is to take baby steps. Until we can see what the result is from an incremental action, we will always be hard pressed to correctly guess the effects of the more extreme scenario.

Regards,

z.

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