dre
Mar 23 2008, 06:02 AM
QUOTE Please Jushu consider who read your is not Christian so reduce referring to any word or phrase with a lot of versus from old and new testament using the software tools. Enough one versus from the new testament. You are not making Master nor Ph.D Thesis. Please stop criticizing somebody who likes to back up what they say with Biblical quotes. You don't make yourself seem any smarter either. QUOTE
The Crusade War was also to protect Christian places in Jerusalem but it not fellow the Christian Teaching.
The main cause for it was lots of soldiers with nothing to do, and a perfect opportunity to "strike it rich," which they did, gaining a lot of wealth and returning untold amounts of knowledge back to Europe. QUOTE I also see a lot of Christians trying to pull me into a complete blind-faith belief in Jesus' power. Although their intentions are without doubt good, I don't sense that I'm ready for it. They keep telling me to drop my skepticism completely. I don't sense that it's something that I'm ready to do. But hey, it's God's choice. If he (He?) wants me to become ready, he'll call on me. If he (should I really start changing this into "He"?) exists (and I have no doubt that he could), then I will be able to sense it. I can relate with you there (sort of). I've had a pair of Mormons come to my house the other day, very nice people. They offered me to read the Book of Mormon, and pointed out specific parts that I should read. Being curious, I did, and it didn't really make any impression on me, so I spoke with my pastor, and he pointed out things that he believed were wrong and also pointed out historical and geographical flaws in the book. I decided to trust my pastor and when the Mormon guys came back to pick up the book, they asked me if I had prayed about it and asked God to verify if it was truly his word. To be honest, I don't really have "talks" with God, and I don't believe that's how he communicates with me.
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kasm
Mar 23 2008, 09:00 AM
QUOTE(dre @ Mar 23 2008, 05:02 PM)  Please stop criticizing somebody who likes to back up what they say with Biblical quotes. You don't make yourself seem any smarter either.
The main cause for it was lots of soldiers with nothing to do, and a perfect opportunity to "strike it rich," which they did, gaining a lot of wealth and returning untold amounts of knowledge back to Europe.
I can relate with you there (sort of). I've had a pair of Mormons come to my house the other day, very nice people. They offered me to read the Book of Mormon, and pointed out specific parts that I should read. Being curious, I did, and it didn't really make any impression on me, so I spoke with my pastor, and he pointed out things that he believed were wrong and also pointed out historical and geographical flaws in the book. I decided to trust my pastor and when the Mormon guys came back to pick up the book, they asked me if I had prayed about it and asked God to verify if it was truly his word. To be honest, I don't really have "talks" with God, and I don't believe that's how he communicates with me.
1. My advice was to not you. He can tell himself. I advice that people read what he say .
2. First time I hear this interpretation about Crusade. Many soliders? to the degree the kings came with them. We arrest the King of France in Al Mansoura and that house still there as mesuem. I worked in University of that city. Also the history I studied in governement school didn't told that. All series and film we produced about that don't told that.
3. I who initiate that topic and I have the right to call people to abide with the subject. We will not go to discuss Mormon cult here. You can initiate your topic if you want.
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bishoujo
Mar 23 2008, 10:10 AM
Actually, all religion calls for peace and the good for mankind. It is the 'believers' who have altered the instructions according to their own warped beliefs.
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dre
Mar 23 2008, 08:46 PM
QUOTE First time I hear this interpretation about Crusade. Many soliders? to the degree the kings came with them. We arrest the King of France in Al Mansoura and that house still there as mesuem. I worked in University of that city. Also the history I studied in governement school didn't told that. All series and film we produced about that don't told that. Well then, welcome to the new history. QUOTE
All series and film we produced about that don't told that.
What did they tell you then?
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tricky77puzzle
Mar 23 2008, 08:52 PM
QUOTE(kasm @ Mar 23 2008, 01:02 AM) 1. tricky77puzzle, this out of the topic. My topic is "Christianity is the religion of peace". Nothing in Gospel call to fight, dispute or kill. Don't confuse Gospel with Tourat or old testament.
2. The Christianity is not easy. it is against the human nature. Control anger, Control revenge, Give continuously, forgiveness etc etc.
3. It is the last line. Each one try reach it as can. If you fail then there is a solution by going confessing and start again
4. Don't despair what the others are doing. Concentrate on your effort and happiness.
5. In Christianity you can think, criticize and convert You have to practice it like in sport.. But in Islam for example you can't criticize or think or convert to another religion. You under the death if you converted. If you are women, your status will be downgrade.
read my posting in : http://www.trap17.com/forums/page-3-t54456-s20.html
Women in Islam: http://www.trap17.com/forums/women-islam-t55358.html
6. No problem if you couldn't justify every thing. Try and go confess then your sins will be removed and start again with white page.
7. You have to know that US is secular country and many European country too. Even their constitution based on the Christian value but there are many thing neither government or the people are doing as Christean teaching. So don't despair for that and look after yourself.
8. Death penalty are demolished in European Union but it still in USA. It is not big problem. Even I am Christian trying to do what Christian have to do but I with death penalty. It is contradiction that if one in school or supermarket kill many Innocent people and in the same time he will live. Don't worry a lot about that. Think how many people your sold ires in Yugoslavia, Afghanistan or Iraq was killed by accidents. How many American soldiers was killed in Iraq [4000 so far] . How many were killed in car accidents.
9. Do the right things. Be simple belever. Don't worry about what in old testament except the Ten commandment and the stories of Abraham, Josef, Moses[ I know them once and i rember them for years].
10. The Copts that are Egyptian Christian [the native of Egypt] are survived under the Arab by paying high tax, obey the rules gives moslim family the key of the Churches [I saw that].
11. Don't be extreme in faith or blind.
12. Notice the miracles in your body out everything around. ever thing in your body. 1. Sorry for being off topic. But it seems that every religion out there claims to be the "religion of peace". Why should Christianity be treated any differently? 2. I don't get angry easily. I forgive people as well. It's not that I don't uphold the principles of Christianity, it's that I'm having troubles with faith. 3. I don't get the grammatical structure of this sentence at all. I'm trying to interpret it, but I'm drawing blanks. 4. "Don't despair on what others are doing..." so I shouldn't care if my best friend starts doing drugs? 5. I thought Christianity was incriticizable as well. I've never read the Qu'ran (not sure where the apostrophe should go), so I wouldn't know what you're talking about. 6. Ahh... that's probably what I've been missing... Problem is, though, I can't think of any things that I've done that would warrant that... although there definitely are a few, 7. I guess so. 8. I don't live in America. 9. "Don't worry about what the old testament says except for the 10 commandments"... yeah, Leviticus has been a little problem for me over the past few years... I'm trying out the Gideons' experiment and reading through the whole Bible in a year. I'll get to you about that later. 10. I don't remember anything about that. 11. Define "extreme". I'm trying not to be blind, but being not-blind means that I have to maintain some degree of skepticism, and keep a salt shaker with me at all times in case I have to read something contradictory. 12. The "miracles" in my body... you mean "life", right?
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kasm
Mar 24 2008, 04:51 AM
QUOTE(tricky77puzzle @ Mar 24 2008, 07:52 AM) 1. ... But it seems that every religion out there claims to be the "religion of peace". Why should Christianity be treated any differently? That why we are in Forum. Let any one claim,then we study and response and see where is the truth.
- I started this topic when I read a posting saying Islam is religion of peace.
- That shocked me because I know the Islam and even I taught the moslems in Soviet Union when I lived there their religion.
- So I responded by this:
http://www.trap17.com/forums/index.php?s=&...st&p=367642 and I showed the verses of Koran on which the terrorist are using. One of them is The Repentance chapter (Surat At-Taubah) 29
QUOTE "Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the last day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His messenger, and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the tribute with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued"
Plus I showed there are 35213 times words "Fight, kill, war, Al-Jihad, assassinatios" were mentioned in the Kuran and Converses.
- So compare that with love enemies in Gospel and decide whose claim is right.
- Please show me any call to kill , fight or call to war in the Gospel [new testament].
QUOTE(tricky77puzzle @ Mar 24 2008, 07:52 AM) 4. "Don't despair on what others are doing..." so I shouldn't care if my best friend starts doing drugs?
My advice to don't despair but is not mean you don't care.
QUOTE(tricky77puzzle @ Mar 24 2008, 07:52 AM) 8. I don't live in America.
That why in my opinion members have to fil their profile
QUOTE(tricky77puzzle @ Mar 24 2008, 07:52 AM) 12. The "miracles" in my body... you mean "life", right?
Read my post : "I am scientist but I believe in God": http://www.trap17.com/forums/index.php?sho...338&hl=kasm . There I show how 2 tiny gland in brain affect all the function of body. How when I lost them in Truma removal, I became semi disable. In future I will write many miracles in body to show that all these couldn't come by random and big bang
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Archangel_Baw
Mar 24 2008, 07:37 AM
posts like this one are cyber-wars waiting to happen. personally, I'm not Christian, but I have had both negative and positive interactions with Christian folk, regardless, I'm sure the religion was INTENDED to instill kindness in its followers, but there are so many contradictory statements in the bible that It frustrates me to no end. I just chalk it up to mans fault for trying to quote God and using their own words to do it.
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KainRacure
Mar 24 2008, 08:01 AM
I agree on the fact that Christianity itself IS NOT a violent, mean, bad, hateful or whatever else religion. HOWEVER unfortunately as is such with anything that creates strict followers and deep ties to it there will be people who mis read the intention of the original idea. This is largely due to the fact that it creates ties to human emotion and human reasoning, both of which can be flawed and unstable. Also unfortunately bad stuff is seen more often then good stuff because it is glaring and obvious. If one person helps an old lady with her groceries and at the same time right next to them someone steals an old lady's groceries the guy who did good will be WAY overshadowed by the guy who did bad. And besides nobody seems to notice good things. Sadly all it takes is a few bad things to knock out a whole load of good and this is how Christians got where they are with people thinking they are either pedo priests, psychos (Westboro), murders (Crusaders), idiots (Bush Jr.) or racists (KKK (many churches have supported them over the years) and Obama's Pastor) I agree that God has said he prefers love over war. God does not like it when his greatest creation turns and harms their brothers (as we are all brothers in humanity) Also another problem is that people misread scripture that has been translated and is out of sync with today's society. Also most people (even "good Christians") have never fully read the bible. We hear snippets in sermons and on signs and in movies and in print but if you go and look at the full meaning it could be totally different. People also use this to their advantage to support their idea of what Christianity should be.
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tricky77puzzle
Mar 24 2008, 06:02 PM
QUOTE(KainRacure @ Mar 24 2008, 04:01 AM) I agree on the fact that Christianity itself IS NOT a violent, mean, bad, hateful or whatever else religion. HOWEVER unfortunately as is such with anything that creates strict followers and deep ties to it there will be people who mis read the intention of the original idea. This is largely due to the fact that it creates ties to human emotion and human reasoning, both of which can be flawed and unstable.
Also unfortunately bad stuff is seen more often then good stuff because it is glaring and obvious. If one person helps an old lady with her groceries and at the same time right next to them someone steals an old lady's groceries the guy who did good will be WAY overshadowed by the guy who did bad. And besides nobody seems to notice good things.
Sadly all it takes is a few bad things to knock out a whole load of good and this is how Christians got where they are with people thinking they are either pedo priests, psychos (Westboro), murders (Crusaders), idiots (Bush Jr.) or racists (KKK (many churches have supported them over the years) and Obama's Pastor)
I agree that God has said he prefers love over war. God does not like it when his greatest creation turns and harms their brothers (as we are all brothers in humanity)
Also another problem is that people misread scripture that has been translated and is out of sync with today's society.
Also most people (even "good Christians") have never fully read the bible. We hear snippets in sermons and on signs and in movies and in print but if you go and look at the full meaning it could be totally different. People also use this to their advantage to support their idea of what Christianity should be. True. All the sermons and passages that my pastor and Sunday-school teacher tell us about are either in Genesis, Exodus, Psalms, or somewhere in the New Testament. Hardly any sermons are taught about things elsewhere. Leviticus and Deuteronomy are especially avoided. Of course Christianity is not a bad religion in and of itself. It's the people who practice it that go to extremes, like you said. The KKK is known by many names now. They are not one consolidated group, but are all over the Internet (e.g. the Order of the White Knights) and spread out in small clumps in major U.S. cities. Sometimes I have questions about why God wants us to worship (H)im. I mean, first, he creates us and commands us not to do things without telling is what they're bad for. (Example: Adam and Eve - they were told not to eat of the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil. God only told them, "you will surely die", without telling them what was bad about eating of that tree. T hat seems kind of nonsensical, but, what the heck, it's Christianity.)
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Erdemir
May 15 2008, 04:59 PM
Let me ask a question. If the Christianity is the religion of peace, then why the Crusader armies had been organized?
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