I would not agree with Islam being the same as Christianity. People from the Middle East and people who live in
at it's base it's almost the same:
don't kill don't stole believe in god etc. etc.
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the Middle East are often more religious by alot then the western people. They do read the Qur'an and so on.
Yes, and they have a completly different culture. Also they have time to read holy texts, where people on the west don't have much free time. Also they should stop reading so much Qur'an (vide World Trade Center catastrophe).
the problem with the world is that pretty much every religion thinks they are the "true" religion. This is shown from the original poster thinking that christianity could be the superior religion.
In fact, many religions are ALL Abrahamic religions. The only problem is that they all believe the "other" religion's books are not the "true" book. Muslims think the Quran is the true while christians think the bible is the true book.
If anything, the bible (or the Quran) is the wrong book because christianity is one of the youngest religions. I would assume if there were a god out there, the oldest book would be the most accurate. If there were a "true" book, the "true" book would likely be the oldest one where there have been less "interpretation" and loss.
Some books that are hundreds of years older than the bible or the Quran are the Tanakh (Judaism), the Vedas (Hinduism), and the Taotejing (Taoism).
On top of that, there are religious texts that are not even used anymore because those religions are long gone.
The question of who was "right" really is a non question. In reality, everyone was "right" because being right is a point of view. Ultimately, religion is an opinion on how one should live their life. If people viewed religion in this way rather than saying my religion is the one true religion, there would be less religious conflict.
Religion is a guide for people to live their lives and defines what is morally right and morally wrong. For example, the bible says that you can only marry one person (you cannot divorce) but mormons are allowed to have as many wives as they want. Clearly this is different. What is considered wrong in one person's eyes is perfectly acceptable in another.
The thing with religion is that it has not been updated for modern times; they probably worked a little better earlier on (but probably not much better). In today's world, religion should be changed. Not in what it preaches but HOW it preaches. There are some good values to learn from religion but it should be a spiritual guide rather than a moral guide.
Morality should be defined by society not by religion. The reason is simply because religion is not uniform. Not everyone belongs to the same religion. Back in the day, most people WERE in the same religion because there was not as much globalization going on. Society on the other hand includes everyone.
Of course, this is impossible because everyone already has preconceptions and prejudices based on their upbringing and their religious beliefs.
[1]the problem with the world is that pretty much every religion thinks they are the "true" religion. This is shown from the original poster thinking that christianity could be the superior religion.
[2]In fact, many religions are ALL Abrahamic religions. The only problem is that they all believe the "other" religion's books are not the "true" book. Muslims think the Quran is the true while christians think the bible is the true book.
[3]If anything, the bible (or the Quran) is the wrong book because christianity is one of the youngest religions. I would assume if there were a god out there, the oldest book would be the most accurate. If there were a "true" book, the "true" book would likely be the oldest one where there have been less "interpretation" and loss.
[4]Some books that are hundreds of years older than the bible or the Quran are the Tanakh (Judaism), the Vedas (Hinduism), and the Taotejing (Taoism).
[5]On top of that, there are religious texts that are not even used anymore because those religions are long gone.
[6]The question of who was "right" really is a non question. In reality, everyone was "right" because being right is a point of view. Ultimately, religion is an opinion on how one should live their life. If people viewed religion in this way rather than saying my religion is the one true religion, there would be less religious conflict.
[7]Religion is a guide for people to live their lives and defines what is morally right and morally wrong. For example, the bible says that you can only marry one person (you cannot divorce) but mormons are allowed to have as many wives as they want. Clearly this is different. What is considered wrong in one person's eyes is perfectly acceptable in another.
[8]The thing with religion is that it has not been updated for modern times; they probably worked a little better earlier on (but probably not much better). In today's world, religion should be changed. Not in what it preaches but HOW it preaches. There are some good values to learn from religion but it should be a spiritual guide rather than a moral guide.
[9]Morality should be defined by society not by religion. The reason is simply because religion is not uniform. Not everyone belongs to the same religion. Back in the day, most people WERE in the same religion because there was not as much globalization going on. Society on the other hand includes everyone.
[10]Of course, this is impossible because everyone already has preconceptions and prejudices based on their upbringing and their religious beliefs.
[1]One person does not mean everyone else thinks the same way.
[2]And those basically came from Judaism.
[3][4]If you havent noticed, the books from the Tanakh are in the Bible. So, thinking that the Bible is wrong, kinda contradicts [4].
[5]If they're long gone, that means they were never meant to be.
[6]Religion is not an opinion. Why do you talk about the so-called religious people? Also, just saying religious is an opinion creates conflict, so your words, again, are contradicting.
[7]You forgot one thing that the Bible mentions. There is an actual divorce for the Bible. If the husband or wife were to die, that would be considered a divorce. (I think there's another one, but i cant remember it). Meaning after death, the one still alive can remarry without commiting sin.
[8]Heh, maybe you go to the wrong church, if you even go to any, or believe in anything. There is such a thing. And, it doesnt have to be updated, just translated.
[9]LOL, society? Since when did society know better? Lets have sinners take control of religion .
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I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds. Hebrews 10:16
It's stupid to flat out refuse to listen to or accept other points of view but whether a person decides to take up a particular point of view is up to them, regardless of whether it's good for them or not. It may not be rude to try and change someone's opinion, but it is rude to try and continue when the person makes it clear they're not interested in accepting the other view.
I completely agree.
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at it's base it's almost the same:
don't kill don't stole believe in god etc. etc.
"the Middle East are often more religious by alot then the western people. They do read the Qur'an and so on."
Yes, and they have a completly different culture. Also they have time to read holy texts, where people on the west don't have much free time. Also they should stop reading so much Qur'an (vide World Trade Center catastrophe).
Lol, usual ignorance. First of all the base is not the same. To the Muslims, the base of Islam is submission to ONE God. That is Islam summoned up. Second of all the Qur'an does not say anything about bombing or committing acts of violence except in self-defence. If you want to prove me wrong please try. And it is nothing to do with time. You think people sit around twidding their thumbs all day? They have work, they have a need for food and so on. They are exactly like western people, except they make time to pray. They act religious.
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the problem with the world is that pretty much every religion thinks they are the "true" religion. This is shown from the original poster thinking that christianity could be the superior religion.
This is not the problem. Many Jews and Christians lived under the Ottoman empire for centuries. Just like many Muslims lived under the peacefulness for a few centuries. No, the problem is extremists. People who think they are so religious they have to break the rules to be religious. Like in Irobot, the film, the computer thought she needed to do so much good that she broke her own rules.
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In fact, many religions are ALL Abrahamic religions. The only problem is that they all believe the "other" religion's books are not the "true" book. Muslims think the Quran is the true while christians think the bible is the true book.
Abrahamic religions would not agree with you except Judisiam. Christianity believes in the Torah, Old Testament, and Islam believes in the Bible as a (corrupt) Word of God.
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If anything, the bible (or the Quran) is the wrong book because christianity is one of the youngest religions. I would assume if there were a god out there, the oldest book would be the most accurate. If there were a "true" book, the "true" book would likely be the oldest one where there have been less "interpretation" and loss.
Not really. Say for example the idea of conventional current. For hundreds of years in physics, people though current flowed from positive to negative. Infact recently it turned out they were wrong. That is an example of where the older is not correct while the younger is correct. Also to make such a claim you need to know the religions and have studied them. Islam for example says that every nation recieved a prophet from God and each time more things were added. It says that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are three different versions of the same religion. It is a test from God. Hindusim used to be like Judisiam. Infact the corrupt belief that they worship idols is incorrect. A knowledgeable hindu knows that they think Brahama is only God. A slightly less knowledgeable hindu will believe idols are the way to contact Brahama. A ignorant hindu will worship idols. Strangely enough though i do not want to create a debate about it in this topic, when you take the 'a' from the end of Brahama and put it at the beginning you get Abraham. Please do not debate about this here.
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Some books that are hundreds of years older than the bible or the Quran are the Tanakh (Judaism), the Vedas (Hinduism), and the Taotejing (Taoism).
On top of that, there are religious texts that are not even used anymore because those religions are long gone.
It does not make these books invalid. The Bible whether you believe it is the Word of God, or it is a corrupt Word of God, or it is just a book does not affect the fact that many many prophecies such as Isreal would return to their holy land have come true. Just like in the Qur'an whether you believe it is true or not, cannot affect the scientific knowledge in that Book.
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The question of who was "right" really is a non question. In reality, everyone was "right" because being right is a point of view. Ultimately, religion is an opinion on how one should live their life. If people viewed religion in this way rather than saying my religion is the one true religion, there would be less religious conflict.
It is not always a point of view. Would you say murder or perhaps even rape is wrong? Becuase if you did then you would contradicting your argument. There such a thing as right and wrong but not always.
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Religion is a guide for people to live their lives and defines what is morally right and morally wrong. For example, the bible says that you can only marry one person (you cannot divorce) but mormons are allowed to have as many wives as they want. Clearly this is different. What is considered wrong in one person's eyes is perfectly acceptable in another.
The thing with religion is that it has not been updated for modern times; they probably worked a little better earlier on (but probably not much better). In today's world, religion should be changed. Not in what it preaches but HOW it preaches. There are some good values to learn from religion but it should be a spiritual guide rather than a moral guide.
I do not think religions need updating if they are from God but i completely agree with this 'how it preaches'.
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Morality should be defined by society not by religion. The reason is simply because religion is not uniform. Not everyone belongs to the same religion. Back in the day, most people WERE in the same religion because there was not as much globalization going on. Society on the other hand includes everyone.
Ah, but society can be corrupt. For example in the united kingdowm many people think it is harmless to have a one night stand or have sex with someone before marriage. But suggest this to a true strict Christian and they will be horrified. Now i cannot say that sex before marriage because the western society as a whole does not think it is bad. Murder is bad but that may become good. It is impossible to tell someone to judge themselves by society when the society is doing exactly what their religion is saying NOT to do.
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Of course, this is impossible because everyone already has preconceptions and prejudices based on their upbringing and their religious beliefs.
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I'm still deciding whether or not I should get into stuff like this as much as I once did, it seems mostly to just lead to arguing with no conclusion. I will say this which we should be all able to agree on: all religions cannot be right, nor can all philosophies or beliefs. The laws of logic tell us that mutually exclusive things can't be correct. God can't be all-good and all-evil, they are mutually exclusive concepts. God can't be all-powerful and semi-powerful, they are mutually exclusive concepts. Therefore if one religion says one thing that's mutually exclusive and another religion something mutually exclusive in the same category so that both can't be right, then by the laws of logic, only one of those religions can be right.
Therefore, not all religions can be right nor can they lead to God. Concerning Christianity, let me just say this: Anyone can die for what they believe while fighting. When you can find those who not only die for what they believe in, but do so peacefully while showing love, kindness, and even forgiveness for their enemies... what is more contrary to human nature?
Yes, there are many so-called Christians who do not do that, and fight rather then show peace. But there are also millions of Christians worldwide who die daily for their faith in Christ, and even love and forgive their enemies to the end. Jesus Himself said many who claim to follow Him would be liars or deceived (read Matthew 7). But what other religion so seems to have those who so deny the essential basics of human personality and nature? It is not merely Jesus and the disciples who died peacefully forgiving their enemies, but even today, people die in such ways every day for the name of Christ!
Could Napoleon be wrong?
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Alexander, Caesar, Charlemagne and I myself have founded great empires; but upon what did these creations of our genius depend? Upon force. Jesus alone founded His empire upon love, and to this very day millions will die for Him.... I think I understand something of human nature; and I tell you, all these were men, and I am a man: none else is like Him; Jesus Christ was more than man.... I have inspired multitudes with such an enthusiastic devotion that they would have died for me.... but to do this it was necessary that I should be visibly present with the electric influence of my looks, my words, of my voice. When I saw men and spoke to them, I lighted up the flame of self-devotion in their hearts.... Christ alone has succeeded in so raising the mind of man toward the unseen, that it becomes insensible to the barriers of time and space. Across a chasm of eighteen hundred years, Jesus Christ makes a demand which is beyond all others to satisfy; He asks for that which a philosopher may seek in vain at the hands of his friends, or a father of his children, or a bride of her spouse, or a man of his brother. He asks for the human heart; He will have it entirely to Himself. He demands it unconditionally; and forthwith His demand is granted. Wonderful! In defiance of time and space, the soul of man, with all its powers and faculties, becomes an annexation to the empire of Christ. All who sincerely believe in Him, experience that remarkable, supernatural love toward Him. This phenomenon is unaccountable; it is altogether beyond the scope of man's creative powers. Time, the great destroyer, is powerless to extinguish this sacred flame; time can neither exhaust its strength nor put a limit to its range. This is it, which strikes me most; I have often thought of it. This is which proves to me quite convincingly the Divinity of Jesus Christ.
-Napoleon Bonaparte in his final days of exile as quoted in "Jesus Among Other Gods" by Ravi Zecharias
Jesus reigns, no sence in debating what is insignificant. The Lord is commin back one day, if you reject that, your blind to the truth, and I pray with all of my heart you will see what blinds you.
absolutely just another religion!! i believe in god! my god i think religion is a personal thing that everyone should follow as he/she wishes!!! i believe in a god that created the world though i don't believe in a god that separated the sea in two...
absolutely just another religion!! i believe in god! my god i think religion is a personal thing that everyone should follow as he/she wishes!!! i believe in a god that created the world though i don't believe in a god that separated the sea in two...
Definitely! The anabaptists and others who preceded the Baptists of which I am called were quite strong on free will and freedom of religion. God has given us all the ability to choose or to reject Him, it is why we were able to do so at the beginning of creation. God didn't want mindless zombies or robots, He gave us free will so we could choose to love Him and have a relationship with Him, even though it meant we had the ability to reject Him. We weren't created with an innate sin nature or knowledge of evil, we didn't have an inclination to evil in the beginning. All that came only after we made a conscious choice to reject God and gain a knowledge of good... and EVIL so that we became truly corrupted, creatures of evil which God did not intend for us to become.
If God, then, has given us all free will, who are we to try and take that away from our fellow human beings? I may not agree with you but I can respect your God-given right to free will, to choose or to reject Him, and am still called to care about all regardless of their choices, even as God loves and cares for us all.
I dont know why everyone over here is so much concerned about these religion things. I think religion's are there to help people in finding what is right and what is wrong and if I am correct every religion teaches one thing and that is PEACE and if everyone is teaching that then JOSHUA your point of mutually exclusive thingy is wrong because teachings of PEACE is not bad at all. Secondly, why cant people just follow one religion and that is the religion of Humanity. I am Hindu but I have no problems in visiting a church or a mosque, I find same peace over there as I find in a temple.
So, why dont you guyz leave this topic of which religion is superior and which is not and rather think on these terms...Brotherhood and humanity and I am sure a person who will follow these will be loved by GOD.
I'm am not believe in God at all so I have, in my opinion, a very objective point of view. If we will think about Jedaism, Christianity and Islam, I can't understand why people brought up Christianity and Islam. Judaism is the oldest monotonic religion in the world. When Rome empire killed Jesus, His students made him as a God. As to me, it is very stupid. First of all Jesus was jewish, as a result, he was the son of Avraham, so he was the son of God, like all the Jews. Moreover, He made a lot of wrong deeds, due to them he was killed. In the Jedaism there is a part of it with the name Kabalah (Madona studies it now). with the help of it we can make like "Miracles". But there are very few people who knows it and it is forbiden to use it. He Has known it and used it for walking on the water and more.... That's why he was killed. From the other side, He believed in Judaism, where there is only one god and it is forbiden to believe in anything else, when he was killed his students made him as a God. I have many more facts. Tell me if you accept it....Thanks...
Look i know about the Kabalah and i warn you not to know it. It is an evil thing. Even the Bible and Qur'an tells the story of how two angels were ordered to give the knowledge to the humans as a test to see if they will use it. Do not use it! Jesus was a natural person with God-given powers. He is a prophet. I warn you to stay away from Kabalah.
QUOTE(nickmealey @ Mar 16 2005, 06:47 AM)
sorry, I can't agree. First of all, Jesus NEVER SINNED. He was perfect in every way. He was tempted, but never sinned. OK, I accept the fact you disprove Christians (in which I am), but I have a question: what if it is true? because if it is, your not lookin so good dude. how would you like to burn FOREVER! Never stops! Don't get me wrong, God isn't mean because he sends ppl to hell. He is loving, and he WANTS you to be with him. But since we sinned, we can't enter God's kingdom. Christianity is not a religion! It's a personal relationship. Dude, He loves you. I can't express it. I don't know you, but I would certainly want you in heaven! Its real! No joking, it's reality! You can't escape it. I know you probebly think this is silly. But think about this. "have you ever been wrong when you thought you were absolutely right?" I love you, whoever you are. I hope you come to thhis realization. nickmealey1@hotmail.com for any questions.
quoted from answering-christianity: Jesus was defeated by the woman's wisdom:
"A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, 'Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is suffering terribly from demon-possession. Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, 'Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.' He [Jesus] answered, 'I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.' The woman came and knelt before him. 'Lord, help me!' she said. He [Jesus] replied 'It is not right to take the children's [Jews] bread [blessings and miracles reserved for them] and toss it to their dogs [the Gentiles].' 'Yes, Lord' she said, 'but even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters' table.' Then Jesus answered, 'Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.' And her daughter was healed from that very hour. (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 15:22-28)"
It's funny how Jesus supposedly in the book of man-made alterations and corruption, the New Testament, instantaneously ABROGATED his views and decision about the non-Jewish woman and people in general being equivalent to dogs when compared to the Jews. It is important to note that the woman, in this corrupted book, from the very start showed that she is a "believer" (what ever that meant back then). So it wasn't a matter of a "disbeliever" or pagan seeking Jesus' help.
The woman's wisdom defeated Jesus, the so-called "Creator of the Universe"! Jesus, within a second, changed his racist and trash-mouthed views against her from being a "dog" to a human being who deserves to be helped.
"I was sent ONLY to..." clearly and irrefutably means that Jesus initially claimed that he wasn't sent to other than the Jews!
So what if the woman failed with Jesus??
It seems that Jesus in the corrupted book of the new testament changed his racist and filthy views only because the woman begged him. I wonder if the woman never did this and instead answered him inappropriately after he called her and all gentiles as "dogs", would the gentiles today still be considered as the Jews' dogs? Most probably yes. It doesn't take much for a racist to go back to his old habits and generalizing evil beliefs.
Again, don't forget that the woman initially showed that she was a believer! Jesus rejected her only because she was a Gentile!
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That is why Jesus cannot be god.
QUOTE(salem @ Mar 30 2005, 03:15 PM)
hi everyone ...
i am a muslim living in australia. i have recently begun to explore and try to look for the confilct between Christianity and islam and i was a really suprised when i discover how much similarities between these two great religion.
but i could not understand the concept of Trinity. i ask several christian about it and it was shocking that most of them do not know what this concept means. they just believe it as a something which cannot be explained. however some people do asnwer my question. then, i get confused again when i saw the movie " the passion of the Christ", Juses was calling somebody at the bigenning of the movie " father ... father". logic would clash with that. was he calling himself? seems not.
them i said i should go to the Bible. i realised that it is not the word of Juses, so i tried to find Juses' words because if he is a god, he would not let people in a such confusing situation. what i discovered was: Juses never said anything about Trinity which is just an idea that was developed after Juses leave. He never said i am a son of god. He never said i has been sent for the entire world.
Christians also claim that Juses has been crucified for the sins of humans? can anyone explain to me which sins are forgiven?
i am not trying to be rude or unrespected for Christianity and if i did i am asking for forgivness. i just wanna the image to be clearfied and things to be understood. thanks
There are LOT of similarties, yes. Lol the biggest similarity has to be worshipping the same god. When Christians do not worship Jesus or the holy spirit, then they worship Yahweh (God) (Allah) who the Muslims also worship.
And it is not really shocking that noone understands the trinity because noone understands it. They made it so complicated that it is too hard to be understood. Also the Bible is believed by Muslims to be the corrupted Word of God.
The idea is that all the sins of humanity are forgiven. Too bad the guys who are dead and the guys in the future were not forgiven.
QUOTE(Joshua @ Jun 25 2005, 01:17 PM)
Happy to talk with you about them Salem.
You seem to question what Christ said about Himself. The whole reason the Jews tried stoning Him so many times and hated Him enough to crucify Him was precisely because He did claim to be God, and they said as much. Here are His words:
John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
That is not saying i am god. That is saying God sent him. God sent all the prophets.
QUOTE(Joshua @ Jun 25 2005, 01:17 PM)
John 8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
He saying not to be arrogant.
QUOTE(Joshua @ Jun 25 2005, 01:17 PM)
John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. 59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
Why would a god hide from some people?!
When confronted by Jews; Jesus said unto them, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am." (John 8:58) Perceived by the "man of extraordinary faith": This proves;a) Jesus existed before his birth. B) Jesus was the same entity who replied to prophet Moses when he asked his God; What was His name? What shall he say to his people? From behind the Burning Bush God replied; "I AM THAT I AM." (Exodus 3:14).
Answer: a) Jesus was consecrated (anointed) by God before he was born and so was prophet Jeremiah. The Bible records, God came to prophet Jeremiah and said to him; "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations." Jer. 1:5.
God "loved" his chosen prophets before they were born. The Bible confirms; God "loved" Jesus before the foundation of the world. (Jn. 17:24). This act of loving by an entity called God, undoubtedly proves that Jesus was not God "Himself", before he was born or after he was born. Jesus was a distinctly separate entity that was "being loved" by God, records this verse for the people who are upright and open minded.
King Melchizedek of Salem was an eternal priest with no records of his beginning and ending. (Heb. 7:1-3). No Christian would admit, based upon this stated of "eternal life span", that the King of Salem was God, so how can Jesus be who claimed his existence before Abraham?
B) The entire concept is based upon a simple conjecture. In the foot notes of Exodus 3:14 the editors of K.J.V. write;
"Jesus probably alluded to this name of God in John 8:58, 'Before Abraham was, I AM." The use of phrase "probably alluded" indicates; this does not happen to be an established truth or certainty.
The Greek words "ego eimi" are here translated as "I Am". However, the literal translation mentioned in the marginal notes of the New American Standard Bible reads; "I have been".Study Supportive Passage: Repeating the same phrase "I am", Jesus said; "I am(he), and that I do nothing on my own; but as my Father has taught me, I speak these things." (John 8:28). God of Moses had no instructor. If he had one, then that entity would be the God's mentor or boss!
A question for you:
Jesus said; "If you abide in My word, then you are truly disciples of mine; and you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free". When Jesus was asked: "What commandment is the foremost of all?" Jesus answered, "The foremost is, Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is One Lord; And you shall LOVE the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind and with all your strength." A TRUE DISCIPLE WOULD NOT DIVIDE HIS LOVE BETWEEN "LORD GOD" AND MESSIAH THAT WAS SANCTIFIED BY GOD. Jn.10:36.
QUOTE(Joshua @ Apr 21 2006, 11:31 PM)
I'm still deciding whether or not I should get into stuff like this as much as I once did, it seems mostly to just lead to arguing with no conclusion. I will say this which we should be all able to agree on: all religions cannot be right, nor can all philosophies or beliefs. The laws of logic tell us that mutually exclusive things can't be correct. God can't be all-good and all-evil, they are mutually exclusive concepts. God can't be all-powerful and semi-powerful, they are mutually exclusive concepts. Therefore if one religion says one thing that's mutually exclusive and another religion something mutually exclusive in the same category so that both can't be right, then by the laws of logic, only one of those religions can be right.
Therefore, not all religions can be right nor can they lead to God. Concerning Christianity, let me just say this: Anyone can die for what they believe while fighting. When you can find those who not only die for what they believe in, but do so peacefully while showing love, kindness, and even forgiveness for their enemies... what is more contrary to human nature?
Yes, there are many so-called Christians who do not do that, and fight rather then show peace. But there are also millions of Christians worldwide who die daily for their faith in Christ, and even love and forgive their enemies to the end. Jesus Himself said many who claim to follow Him would be liars or deceived (read Matthew 7). But what other religion so seems to have those who so deny the essential basics of human personality and nature? It is not merely Jesus and the disciples who died peacefully forgiving their enemies, but even today, people die in such ways every day for the name of Christ!
Could Napoleon be wrong?
He can be All Good. Evil is not the opposite of good but the absence of good. And nopolean is just a man of course he could be wrong.
QUOTE(arcticsnpr @ Apr 21 2006, 11:44 PM)
Jesus reigns, no sence in debating what is insignificant. The Lord is commin back one day, if you reject that, your blind to the truth, and I pray with all of my heart you will see what blinds you.
He will come back but it depends on what you believe :huh:
QUOTE(Joshua @ Apr 22 2006, 12:02 AM)
Definitely! The anabaptists and others who preceded the Baptists of which I am called were quite strong on free will and freedom of religion. God has given us all the ability to choose or to reject Him, it is why we were able to do so at the beginning of creation. God didn't want mindless zombies or robots, He gave us free will so we could choose to love Him and have a relationship with Him, even though it meant we had the ability to reject Him. We weren't created with an innate sin nature or knowledge of evil, we didn't have an inclination to evil in the beginning. All that came only after we made a conscious choice to reject God and gain a knowledge of good... and EVIL so that we became truly corrupted, creatures of evil which God did not intend for us to become.
Yes that is entirely true! God gave us free will. We should use that free will to either accept or reject God.
QUOTE(mayank @ Apr 22 2006, 01:22 AM)
I dont know why everyone over here is so much concerned about these religion things. I think religion's are there to help people in finding what is right and what is wrong and if I am correct every religion teaches one thing and that is PEACE and if everyone is teaching that then JOSHUA your point of mutually exclusive thingy is wrong because teachings of PEACE is not bad at all. Secondly, why cant people just follow one religion and that is the religion of Humanity. I am Hindu but I have no problems in visiting a church or a mosque, I find same peace over there as I find in a temple.
So, why dont you guyz leave this topic of which religion is superior and which is not and rather think on these terms...Brotherhood and humanity and I am sure a person who will follow these will be loved by GOD.
Peace is the solution. Peace of the soul. Peace of the mind. Peace of our society.
Although science continues to advance to explain otherwise religiously explained ideas, I believe
that religion will always exist in our world. What do you think? Here's MY thoughts. I'd
love to hear yours /happy.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="^_^" border="0" alt="happy.gif"
/> Science has given explanations that, before, were only offered up in texts such as the Bible
were the only explanations. For example, the issue of how life came to be. Before, cultures from
around the world would attribute this phenomenon of life to some fable or myth rev....
You might have heard a lot of people going on about how their religion is true but I'm not going
to rant on about anything, I'm just going to tell you the straight-forward facts. The Qur'an
has many scientific truths that have only been proven to be correct recently. This is truely a
miracle in my eyes, so please go on to this website and read about 'em now!
http://www.islam-guide.com/ If you don't agree with me (which I doubt you will), don't
worry, I'm not going to kill you Some facts about Islam: The Qur'an says that The Torah ....
Starting off, to be quite honest, I'm so sick to death about hearing about terrorist attacks
occuring overseas. For example, a recent one was reported on tv that authorities had arrested 20
muslims. Before some people go on about how this religion is bad, and what they are doing is wrong,
and so forth, pretty much every religion has their type of weirdos and crackheads. In many cases,
religion is not what fuels the fire, its those that are really greedy within the ranks, you got
hitler and his dislike for jews, the czaars in Russia, and so forth. It seems that man....
During the last couple of weeks, I have noticed that there are some people in this community who
reply to posts dealing with religions that they are "not religious because they are atheists and
don't believe in God". In my opinion, this argument is inconsistent in two points: 1) By using
the term "God", these people miss the point that there are not only monotheistic religions but
also polytheistic religions like most nature-bound religions . 2) Atheists, though not as
well-organized as most religious people, do the same as religious people do - claim to have e....
LISTEN UP! everyone has different views about religion. I don't believe in religion myself.
but humans need religion as much as they need LOVE,family and a feeling of security. humans need
leaders to guide them,to assure them that they have a place in the world and in the world beyond.
they need something that will love them and be with them no matter what.every one needs a place to
run to or somebody to run to when the world no longer seems to be a beautiful place.everyone needs
to feel that when everything goes wrong in their life they have someone to turn to....
Ok, well I've started a very contravershal (excuse my spelling) topic, and I wish first of all
for nobody to loose them temper or for nobody to post any thing that will offend someone of another
religion, it's not here to knock each other, I just would like to see how different religions
feel about the world, and the other religions around them.. so let's have a nice, friendly,
peaceful debate huh..?? /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0"
alt="smile.gif" /> Ok, so first of all, I'm a Tibetan Buddhist, urm - I'm a teen, I ....
Sorry if this may have been brought in the past, but it hasnt been up as of late, and I thought I
might start the discussion or get your thoughts on this. I've been born a catholic, but a
non-practising one. To be honest, I only attend church about twice a year (Easter/Christmas).
Personally, I think there is nothing that any religion has to offer. Is god is a mere word? a word
that gives great amount of hope to people when needed. Because by the sound of it, 'God'
could be just a world that implies 'hope' to many people, nothing more. After rec....
I beg and plead, before proceeding, the reader to keep an open mind in thinking upon or posting
anything here. Religion is obviously a strong force in the world, and it has been for a long time.
However, I have three questions about religion, upon each of which I shall give my own answer, in
hopes of hearing others: What is the origin of religion? What has been the use and purpose of
religion? Ideally, what ought to be the nature (perspective, application, or otherwise) of religion
in the modern world? The Origin of Religion The first humans on earth were ver....
A world without religion? I was thinking about it and thought, you know, i think
it would be better. Here are my reasons. The biggest change in the world would be less wars. Think
about it. Most wars are start because of religion. One of the reasons people came to America back in
the 1700s was because they wanted freedom of whatever religion they wanted. Another great thing
that would come about it would be that laws would be made on what is actually bad. For example, the
most well known mostly religious law is the banning of gay marriage. I don'....
I will speak on the three religion Judaism , Christianity and Islam. I. God is the same for the
three religion since HE is the God of Abraham. The name of God depends on language. For example the
Arabic Christian use word Alah as the name in God as the Muslim because God in Arabic is Alah. But
Muslim in all countries use Alah because they use Koran in Arabic . Koran is not allowed to be
translated but in the internet time they put Koran in English in the net and called it is
translation of meaning. I don't understand the difference between translation and transl....
well guys i have been dying to post this on here,and im sure that most of disagree with me on most
of the stuff in their,but i wanted to see how you members reply to this topic,well please After you
Read This column,answer some questions too,Do You Believe in God or Religion?
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Believe & What We Believe In. - Many Believe the path to righteoushood is believing in God and
having Faith in their Religion no matter how many Lies put in to it, and without knowing what god
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