htdefiant
Apr 4 2006, 03:15 PM
QUOTE(truefusion @ Apr 4 2006, 10:56 AM)  The link i provided in this topic is a Christian Research Center? Strange, it doesnt look like that to me... Or am i misunderstanding you?
But, why would you trust any other resources, if you dont trust the first one i put out? Because you want them? I'm not sure about Encyclopedia of Britian, but Wikipedia can be edited, no? But, why just the Encyclopedia of Britian? Why even any encyclopedia?
Wikipedia is as accurate as any other encyclopedia according to reports. I was asking for you to provide me with a credible source link. The link you gave was done of a direct study of Jesus. I am asking for a study that does not say "this proves the virgin birth", rather, it proves it could happen, with no religious affiliation
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truefusion
Apr 4 2006, 03:15 PM
QUOTE(PIPER-4-HIRE @ Apr 4 2006, 11:03 AM)  it's called Artificial Insemination... Heh, of course this isnt rare, anymore. Maybe, back when it was just starting to become an alternative. Of course, it doesnt go as far back as the time of Mary's existence. But, now it's used quite a lot.
QUOTE Wikipedia is as accurate as any other encyclopedia according to reports. I was asking for you to provide me with a credible source link. The link you gave was done of a direct study of Jesus. I am asking for a study that does not say "this proves the virgin birth", rather, it proves it could happen, with no religious affiliation It would be very hard to find proof that doesnt relate back to the Bible. Since, the only recorded event of such a thing happening comes from the Bible. But, while i'm on my search for proof, mind if you search for proof that proves that such a thing isnt possible, while referencing back to these scientific journals/articles (without relating back to the Bible)?
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htdefiant
Apr 4 2006, 04:29 PM
That's tough to find, but I'll try.
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semeticsister
Apr 4 2006, 10:20 PM
To say or even imply that Christianity is "superior" is completely big-headed and blasphemous, in any context. Just because a majority of people believe it, does not mean that it is necessarily the "right" religion. This just goes to show you that the majority is not always right. And you must understand that long ago, many people either had christianity forced upon them by a higher authority or converted so they could avoid persecution.
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htdefiant
Apr 4 2006, 10:51 PM
QUOTE(semeticsister @ Apr 4 2006, 06:20 PM)  To say or even imply that Christianity is "superior" is completely big-headed and blasphemous, in any context. Just because a majority of people believe it, does not mean that it is necessarily the "right" religion. This just goes to show you that the majority is not always right. And you must understand that long ago, many people either had christianity forced upon them by a higher authority or converted so they could avoid persecution.
Good points. Many people in the Roman Empire had the religion forced on them, so now the whole area of the former Roman Catholic empire is predominatly Christian.
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truefusion
Apr 4 2006, 11:29 PM
QUOTE(semeticsister @ Apr 4 2006, 06:20 PM)  This just goes to show you that the majority is not always right. Even minorities can be wrong...
Anywho, how's your search coming along htdefiant? I havent been able to find the proof that relates to giving birth to a male, as a virgin. But, to tell you the truth, i doubt i ever will (without going into Biblical things). But, here's the best thing so far, for female birth from a virgin, from a place you suggested. Parthenogenesis
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htdefiant
Apr 5 2006, 01:16 AM
Nice but that has nothing to do with humans. This is interesting: CNN ReportAnyway, I think we just have to agree to disagree.
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truefusion
Apr 5 2006, 01:35 AM
QUOTE(htdefiant @ Apr 4 2006, 09:16 PM)  Nice but that has nothing to do with humans. This is interesting: CNN ReportFunny, but it has nothing to do with virgin birth.  Also, there are many factors that come into play here. But, i'll let you figure it out yourself.  QUOTE Anyway, I think we just have to agree to disagree. Indeed!
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WindAndWater
Apr 5 2006, 02:10 AM
QUOTE(truefusion @ Apr 4 2006, 07:29 PM)  I havent been able to find the proof that relates to giving birth to a male, as a virgin. But, to tell you the truth, i doubt i ever will (without going into Biblical things). But, here's the best thing so far, for female birth from a virgin, from a place you suggested. ParthenogenesisAfter a bit of research, here's what I found. Imprinting and Parthenogenesis and the abstract of the study it references is at this Nature address (it costs money to read the full study). The study's interesting in this debate, because in it the scientists manage to create healty mice from parthenogenesis (through a large amount of genetic meddling), but use their findings to prove that parthenogenesis can't occur naturally in mammals. I guess everyone will take from it what they want ;-) Not that we were going to change anyone's mind anyway...
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gigidawg
Apr 5 2006, 02:40 AM
Just the idea of saying a religion is better than another is so ignorant that it's not even funny. I am a christian but i definetely don't think my religion is better than anyone else's. If Joe Smith worships a chair or Jane Smith worships an elephant that's their problem. Religion is something you do for yourself, its personal. You don't worship something or someone to be better than someone else. I have lots of friends that are atheists and i don't judge them for it. I also knew one person that was a satanis, and that was also his choice. I don't think that makes me or my religion any better than his.
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