Alright, here's your more recent news, although I wanted to see what you thought of the other first. It's not really an update on the situation, just a matter of it worsening, but...

http://www.compassdirect.org/en/newsheaden...?idelement=3857

Since you wish to get into the translations let's see what the original Greek texts use, the word in Luke 12:45 is doulos, the Strong's Greek Dictionary which is widely considered the best has the definition:



Since this is the word Paul also used of himself as well as the other apostles the parable can mean any Christian in the sense of a slave to Jesus Christ. Not necessarily what we think of with the term in bondage to another human being, but since it is a parable of a servant and Master is it not clear it speaks of Christ and His servants and the coming His coming in the final day?

I do not hate Catholics themselves but rather have love and sympathy for them as for any of the lost, I am in contact with several right now, and one of the men in the men's group at my Church was once a Catholic before he got saved. I do however despise the institution that so deceives and captures the souls of those who enter in, and serves to capture more souls for Hell.

Matthew 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

 

 

 

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And the verse is used of the Catholic Church itself, which not only will not enter in to the kingdom but refuses entrance to others as well, and making them two times the children of Hell as those existing.

I talked to a Catholic in a group at my college a while back and was surprised to learn that they actually think the Pharisees taught rightly according to their doctrine because of this verse:

Matthew 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

But what of this verse?

Matthew 16:12 Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

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i agree, hardly an update... it does not concern the same group as earlier. just because you read there is a passing remark of a "catholic priest" and "previous control by the catholic church", you can pass it on as a "matter of worsening..." perpetrated by the catholic institution already. if i were dumb, yes, i would swallow it hook-line-and-sinker. others less rational would anyway. it's a legal matter, and it's a matter that can be resolved legally.



that's your interpretation, as there will be as many interpretations that can be inferred as there are sands in the ocean.



ahh... the "christian way".... why can't you extend the same love and sympathy for the institition as well, if you think that the institition is "lost"? is it a matter of biblical exhortation, or just a touch of "arrogance"?

"before he got saved"? another presumptious statement as before. if the premise of salvation is "knowing christ" (and basically living up to his standards of goodness), it's like saying that people who lived BEFORE christ (B.C. as opposed to A.D. - after death) are doomed for eternal hell, since jesus came after them. we're luckier aren't we, we have a choice, since we were born A.D...

anyway, i hold the same sentiments in despising those who "deceive and capture souls... and serves to capture more souls for hell" -- more so by capitalizing on religion as a tool for divisiveness.



they (scribes and pharisees) have since dead. but hypocrites live on in our midsts.

 

 

 

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Well, the situation is in a foreign country and the article is less then 3 months old... Christ said to love others as yourself, He said to beware the leaven and doctrines of the Pharisees, not "love" them.

In Romans it says that we are the children of Abraham through faith, those who came before are justified as we solely through faith in God, but if Christ had not come then there would have been no payment for their sins and they would not have been able to enter the kingdom.

As for divisiveness, Paul spoke of those who would depart from the faith:

1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

He also said to mark those which cause offences contrary to the Gospel and to avoid them. He didn't say ignore them and proclaim a doctrine of unity. The Bible speaks of opposing the world, and to come out from among them and be ye separate, not to join them or to suck up every pagan doctrine and belief system you can to enlarge your borders.

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some interesting things to read online:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamentalism
http://www.frontline.org.za/articles/were_...or%20_faith.htm
http://www.catholic.com/library/anti_catholicism.asp
http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2003/0312fea3.asp

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I already gave a reply to those links here: http://www.trap17.com/forums/hate-people-a...t21432-s30.html

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hmm i study on a religious school (administrated by nuns) and even though im catholic i can only see, that these nuns are charging us like $400 dlls of an inscription and $35 dlls of "voluntary tickets to help the missions" (obviously if you don't buy their stupid tickets they won't let you register in the school) they got these, delux leather-sit X-trails, and then each 2/3 months they are asking us money again! (the collegiature is like $280 each student and we're like 400 students) so im not surprised, the church has become a little more corrputed $__$, didn't they supposed to have Poor vote? (you know living like poor, chastity; that stuff) and i don't see it anywhere...

and now that Ratzinger's the new pope i don't know what to expect, but i can't believe that they do this thing of quitting your religion in my country! i know we are a lot of catholics here in mexico but we know that we need to respect other people religions.. because the POPE (john paul II) and the moral! told us. besides when someone dies i think that they are judged by the same God but in the way their religion saw the good and evil

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Daniel, out of curiosity, do you believe the Catholic Church teaches that good works or being a good person gets you to Heaven? Do you believe if you're just a good enough person or do good enough things or live a good enough life that it will be enough to reach Heaven?

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Wow guys both joshua and the moderator have me hook reading lol, any with that has to do with God i will read speacially the bible. You know joshua i was a lost soul like many of the World until God found me. My parents are "catholic" so they say, but they are really not catholic of believe rathan more of tradition. And you know when i was little wroing up with my parents i used to think that yes by doing good, been good towards other doing things for other i would reach heaven. But know i know that there is no way you will get to heaven if is not threw Jesus Christ. and reading what you joshua and serverph were discusing i can really see how much we need God, i remember that i was as that if i believe that there was a God? and also that if i believe in the bible? I asnwer that i believe that there was a God, but not really in the bible because just like serverph said it was writen by men, but it was until i started hearing about the word of the Lord that i started to really understand and believe that Does men wrote NOT what they wanted to write but what GOD wanted to say to the people. adding something to what serverph said before Chirst talking about like with Abraham, Moises, Jose and the other before Christ There was a God, and that God was leading them to salvation, because they were doing what God wanted them to do. Jesus Christ came to this world like as that GOD, he is so mighty that him being God he made himself human, and died for use, for serverph, for joshua and for me, to save use from hell, and when Christ came he took with him every sin.

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I could not agree with you more! I'm very happy to see someone else who has the ability to see things for what they are. great comment:)

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