Jul 26, 2008
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Your completely correct. It has nothing to base it's so called "facts" on. When you check what your star signs is ment to experience today, it's always something vague. For example, "You will encounter a problem in your life...". Of course I bloody will, every person alive has encountered a problem. Astrology is dumb and quite frankly, should get banned.
Yeah I tend not to beiieve this kind of thing. I see the adds on tv telling me to call them up and find out about things for only 5 dollars a min lol yeah right. I'm not that gullible but you would be amazed how many people actually believe in this and do call. They must make alot of money since there are so many people in this world who do believe in these kind of things. Whats even more crazy is there are people who are buying land on the moon for real money beleiveing they own it now lol.
"What do you believe in?" IMHO, this shows in the least a myopic view of objective reality. At worst it's simple anthropomorphic arrogance. Let's give our ancestors, and this subject, the respect they deserve. Don't think that statement is true? Look up the latest info on Stonehenge. It matches the Solstices and Equinoxs with their Lunar Months. This is because at the time the Neolithic revolution was going on and mankind was shifting from a hunting/nomadic social model to a sedient/agracultural method. Laugh at the stars if you will but I live in the Pacific Northwest in the U.S. and the Elk follow the Moon. Of course if I stop hunting and start growing crops, the frist day of Spring becomes a bit more important to me. Still so smug? Then consider this. The average life span of a Neolithic farmer was probably no longer than the mid-twenties. So those ancient monuments were built by what todays socity considers children. I'll end this with a bit from a great comic writer (among many other things) named Tom Weller; QUOTE What is Science? Put most simply, science is a way of dealing with the world around us. It is a way of baffling the uninitiated with incomprehensible jargon. It is a way of obtaining fat government grants. It is a way of achieving mastery over the physical world by threatening it with destruction. Science represents mankind's deepest aspirations - aspirations to power, to wealth, to the satisfaction of sheer animal lusts. The cornerstone of modern science is the scientific method. Scientists first formulate hypotheses, or predictions, about nature. Then they perform experiments to test their hypotheses. There are two forms of scientific method, the inductive and the deductive. Inductive 1 formulate hypothesis 2 apply for grant 3 perform experiments or gather data to test hypothesis 4 alter data to fit hypothesis 5 publish Deductive 1 formulate hypothesis 2 apply for grant 3 perform experiments or gather data to test hypothesis 4 revise hypothesis to fit data 5 backdate revised hypothesis 6 publish Quid pro you go, you go. QUOTE Sound simple? It is. Once, when the secrets of science were the jealously guarded property of a small priesthood, the common man had no hope of mastering their arcane complexities. Years of study in musty classrooms were prerequisite to obtaining even a dim, incoherent knowledge of science. Today, all that has changed: a dim, incoherent knowledge of science is available to anyone. Popular science books, magazines and computer programs - with their simple, fatuous and misleading prose, their garish illustrations, their flimsy modern production values - have brought science within the reach of anyone who can afford their inflated prices or who can mooch off someone else. Indeed, today a myriad of sources are available to explain science facts that science itself has never dreamed of. Talk to me when I can feal it,please. Hit me when I can understand. Maou
The way I see it, astrology is basically just something to look forward to. It may warn you about struggles that you may encounter but you encounter struggles everyday, astrology just emphasizes this and makes you look for them more because it is on your mind sub-consciously and you become obsessed with it. As for fortune telling and what not, that is all also a joke in my opinion. Before they tell your future, they most likely ask you a few questions about how life is going and what you have been doing, this gives them information to base their foretelling of and they then make a general forecast that is most likely to occur. Then the same process for astrology in which people subconsciously look for it to happen.
I think they are referring to the zodiac signs and things like the horoscope, where they tell you that x planet is aligned with x and because of that your lucky numer is # and you are going to have a good day today... bla bla bla.
Astrology is obviously really important, it has been very important throughout the evolution of mankind, but the horoscope and things like that well, I dont know, it is really vague
Jung called the process in which people subconsciously look for something to happen that they've recently become aware of Syncronicity.
Now as far as the planets posistions determining our destinies, my point is not that this is the correct belief but rather that the two concepts of planetary possision and the posistion of the planets at the time of ones birth determining an individuals destiny were obviously intermixed to begin with. It was only much later that these concepts became sorted out. Kepler, a truly underlooked individual in the History of Science IMHO, died from an illness contracted by walking a long distance to collect a debt owed for a horoscope drawn up for a nobleman if I recall properly. He didn't get paid. Einstine said that it had always pained him to know how shabbaly Galaleo treated Kepler. The man who made one of the most profound mathmatical discoveries ever concieved practiced Astrology. Newton got his clutzy Calculas from Kepler. I try to imagine pre-neolithic culture which was pretty stable for tens of thousands of years before the "Revolution". Have you ever seen "The Gods Must Be Crazy?" It is important to know the seasons. The easiest way is to check the sky. The shortest day of the year occurs during the coldest time of year. 6 moons later comes a day with 12hrs day and 12hrs night. What would the tribe think of these times of year? Would that affect the way they view children born on these days? Again not that we should believe that way, but don't you think that some of the "silly" parts may actually have quite a bit to tell us about ancestors who could leave no other records? Maou
are you aware that politicians in Third world countries, especially India, rely on astrology and forecasts to determine their electoral votes? they worship godmen and seek their blessings so they could win elections. It's kind of funny but sad at the same time. A country with nuclear power still relying on horoscopes and astrology. hope those war heads don't fall into the wrong hands...
The Regan White House wasn't above such matters.
Also many of the Eastern augries such as the 'I Ching' can be seen as a way of focusing one's thoughts on the question, rather than as directions to be slavishly followed. Anything that makes a World Leader stop and think a bit before they act can't be all bad can it? FWIW Maou
I love astrology, and when it is done by someone experienced, with the proper books and with the proper knowledge of the stars, it is really interesting, i do not spent hours in that field but sometimes i do love to see my expectations according to the stars, and that includes money, health, friends, family, work.
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that's all good and i guess you have basis for your opinion there. still though, your research comes from other people who probably don't believe in god either. i'm in the u.s. and a big majority of the people living here believe in "god". sp when you ask the question what is more likey.....the belief of the minority or the majority, what is the more likely belief. i know astrology and god are two diffferent things but i do believe astrology is connected to the unknown and to the energy that surrounds us all. scientists will only believe in what can be proven. what about the POSSIBILITY of something that MIGHT be true though because it can't be disproven?
you can't change my mind....i don't think anyone can do that  but i will always incorporate all beliefs into my own while seperating what i think is b.s. while always being open to the possibilitiesfor instance. i was raised christian. didn't really question what i learned in church until i was a teenager. then i told my mom how can i believe in something that i don't see or feel? later, i changed my belief in the possibility and to this day, once in a blue moon i will pray to the god i was brought up knowing. why take a chance in not believing in something that might actually exist? another instance is i was always fascinated by the unknown. i always believed in spirts and ghosts and reincarnation and such but my beliefs were never validated with hard evidence until recently. by evidence, i mean something i can share with others rather than tell some freaky stories that have actually happened to me that make no common sense except for believing in something others have tried to discredit since man's birth. so after capturing hard proof on something that validated my belief, i am glad i am open to the possibilities and i am glad cannot be labeled someone who believes a pink unicorn is right in front of me as i am typing right now. one thing about life bud, it has a lot more meaning behind it than just science to prove or disprove theories i do agree with you on one thing....on only SOME things proofs exists QUOTE(bittr @ Jul 26 2008, 03:27 AM)  You got me a bit wrong (and being a bit rude in the process, too). It's not the fact that I'm not opened and I don't listen to different theories and ways to explain life. It's just that for some things proofs exist, for some things they don't. I don't have any reason to believe in astrology without any actual proof more than I would have to believe there is an invisible pink unicorn in front of me right now (to quote a famous example). Some people can believe in things because it sounds to them right, it's a nice story and so on. I choose not to. I'm not trying to change your mind. I now I can't. I just wanted to post my opinion, to shout that there is another one quite tired of this things. Let me end by a quick paragraph from wikipedia's page about Astrology. QUOTE when you ask what is more likely, then what you are really saying is that you have no beliefs or faith in anything you don't see or open yourself up to feel. there's more out there than anybody can possibly imagine so to discredit anything you don't see or open yourself up to feel is being completely and utterly subjective with no openess to the possibilities. You got me a bit wrong (and being a bit rude in the process, too).if that was the case, heck....the world should still be flat bud. It's not the fact that I'm not opened and I don't listen to different theories and ways to explain life. It's just that for some things proofs exist, for some things they don't. I don't have any reason to believe in astrology without any actual proof more than I would have to believe there is an invisible pink unicorn in front of me right now (to quote a famous example). Some people can believe in things because it sounds to them right, it's a nice story and so on. I choose not to. I'm not trying to change your mind. I now I can't. I just wanted to post my opinion, to shout that there is another one quite tired of this things. Let me end by a quick paragraph from wikipedia's page about Astrology. QUOTE By the time of Francis Bacon and the scientific revolution, newly emerging scientific disciplines acquired a method of systematic empirical induction validated by experimental observations, which led to the scientific revolution. At this point, astrology and astronomy began to diverge; astronomy became one of the central sciences while astrology was increasingly viewed as an occult science or superstition by natural scientists. This separation accelerated through the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries.
Astrology is now regarded as unscientific both by scientific bodies and by individual scientists and has been labeled as a pseudoscience. In 1975, the American Humanist Association published one of the most widely known modern criticisms of astrology, characterizing those who continue to have faith in the subject as doing so "in spite of the fact that there is no verified scientific basis for their beliefs, and indeed that there is strong evidence to the contrary".
i think all those things can influence anyone. wat's your point? there are a lot of things in this world and universe that can influence us including the other things that you may not believe in just like past lives, angels, spirit guides, friends or family that have already past on, etc...
when you ask what is more likely, then what you are really saying is that you have no beliefs or faith in anything you don't see or open yourself up to feel. there's more out there than anybody can possibly imagine so to discredit anything you don't see or open yourself up to feel is being completely and utterly subjective with no openess to the possibilities. if that was the case, heck....the world should still be flat bud. i don't know the exact definition of astrology, but to me, astrology is somewhat of a strong belief or religion. it could also be considered a science. the science behind astrology basically affects and influences nature that surounds us. human beings are only 1 part of nature as astrolgy will affect more than human beings. but we as hman beings are fascinated with the unknown and how it affects us directly which is why there are horoscopes and signs associated with it. since you brought up religion and gods, yes, i do believe a lot of people go out of their way to believe in something that might not even exist. to them, it gives meaning to their lives where otherwise, they would have none. as far as astrology, i don't think it just has to do with someone's personality but someone's nature in general which would also have to do with some of their own purposes in life that not even genes or the way you were raised by family or friends can control. genes and family influence will in fct never control our nature. i was one of 3 sibblings and we all turned out different and lead very very different lives. babe ruth didn't hit home runs because of family influence or his genes. it was in his nature. now my question to you is, what influences someone's nature? by nature i mean what they were born with in regards to their own gifts and strengths? personally, i feel it has somewhat to do with higher power and astrology can in some senses be a guide to your nature and gifts and strengths and weaknesses. just because it's been tapped in to a long time ago doesn't however mean it's been perfected. but be certain of at least one thing without calling it astrology. how planets, stars, moons, and everything else in general align in way WILL influence nature in general. i'm sure you can't discredit that so what makes you think these things cannot influence humans which are still a part of nature? me personally, astrology and how it influences nature and people is very very likely, but i also believe a higher power is very likely too. i believe in reincarnation and i believe that everyone is born with a purpose in life that is pre determined before your even born. i believe in all that so call me crazy and wacky, but i know there will always be more out there that cannot be proven until one experiences some of those things for there own selves QUOTE(bittr @ Jul 24 2008, 05:13 PM) It never ceesed to surprise me how people can believe in this. Just think about it... What it's more likely to influence your character? Your genes, your parents taking care of you when you were little, your first friends and so on.... or just how some planets were aligned? And there is also that thing, like , if you are born on 24 of the month or so... If you were born 4 days earlier your personality would be totally different? I don't think so. It can't depend on that. But there will always be people eager to believe stuff without actual proofs. That's why we had tones of Greek gods, Roman gods, people going to crucades and so on. Poor mankind.
It never ceesed to surprise me how people can believe in this.
Just think about it... What it's more likely to influence your character? Your genes, your parents taking care of you when you were little, your first friends and so on.... or just how some planets were aligned? And there is also that thing, like , if you are born on 24 of the month or so... If you were born 4 days earlier your personality would be totally different? I don't think so. It can't depend on that. But there will always be people eager to believe stuff without actual proofs. That's why we had tones of Greek gods, Roman gods, people going to crucades and so on. Poor mankind.
well, i don't believe in the general mumbo jumbo that you can find in local newspapers. if they were true then all signs would be living the same life and we all know that ain't happening
on the other hand, to get information from the more experienced astrologers that can do a reading on specific information about you, i DO believe in. i've always been facsinated by astrology but never really got in to it much. just in general and i have to say from what i have seen and learned, there is truth to it. at the same time, there is fiction to it as well. i don't think this science has been perfected at all. with that said.....it's documented proof that when the moon aligns to be full, there are more police calls than normal. with that information alone we can assume with little doubt that the moon affects people in different ways depending on how the moon is aligned(full or not). if the moon can affect people, why can't planets and stars? does our own planet affect us when it's aligned a certain way?(day or night). now i have read about who i am in general from some good resources on astrology. i'm a pisces and the information given was about 75% acurate. i then read the other signs in who they generally are and i have to say that the percentage that was me doesn't come close to what i read about with my own sign. is that just a coincedence to the non believers? do your research before you post to this topic rather than stating a belief without any knowledge or facts to back it up and because this science is far from being mastered, any post will always ust be an opinion
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