Saint_Michael
Jun 8 2007, 08:11 PM
| | Well summer is hear that means it's getting warm out which means my computer is getting hotter then usually, but last couple of days I been thinking about how to keep my laptop cooler to beat this wonderful, I looked around and I haven't found anything that looks great to use to help cool my computer down. So my questions is to those who have a laptop any recommendations on a effective cooling system for a laptop computer?
Also don't just post links to some random website and say look here at stuff, I need a effective product thats low cost and something I don't need to take my laptop apart in order to get it connected. |
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BuffaloHELP
Jun 8 2007, 08:34 PM
My sister's laptop was overheating as well. Last week, Office Depot had some great Memorial Day sales and I took the advantage of purchasing Targus Chillhub (retail $54.99) at a whopping $9.99. What a deal, what a steal! Powered by USB with additional 4 USB ports built-in to the cooler pan, two silent fans directly centered two cooling fans seem to be doing the job. My sister's laptop has not frozen in past 3 hours of constant usage. In fact I am making this post using her laptop. Chillhub does not cool the laptop significantly. But by circulating the hot air formed underneath the laptop, it's at least making my sister's laptop free from sudden freezing. The drawback to Chillhub's design is that it's not wide enough for 15.4" laptop design. It seems like it was designed for traditional 15" laptops in the past--which my mother's ultra thin laptop fits perfectly. Other designs were considered, such as Antec, APC and Kensington. But my skepticism superseded any effective functionality and the price won me over my decision. According to my sister, it is better effective to place an ordinary house fan across the laptop--which cools even further and faster than any laptop cooler. That's my sister; always practical.
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truefusion
Jun 8 2007, 08:42 PM
QUOTE(Saint_Michael @ Jun 8 2007, 04:11 PM)  I need a effective product thats low cost and something I don't need to take my laptop apart in order to get it connected. Keep your A/C on at all times—there, an effective product that doesn't require getting into the laptop. Besides that, i don't see how you're going to cool it down without getting in there and doing some manual work. Btw, this desktop computer i'm using goes to around 45 degrees celcius, and it works fine on hot days.
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Watermonkey
Jun 9 2007, 06:00 AM
45? (113 F) My computer passes 45 C within about 15 seconds of waking it! I think you may want to re-visit that number... Sounds like you're living in a freezer on a factory trawler or something and doing nothing with your computer other then the screensaver and email! It's nothing to see my computer go past 161 F (71 C) on a regular basis (it's at 138 F right now) and it's new, but it's still got a thermal shutdown safety switch. The first thing I'd do if I were you, Mike, is take it apart and blow those fans with some canned air. Dust is your enemy and will cause your computer to overheat in a hurry. Second, I'd consider something similar to what BH is describing. Just getting it off the table can make all the difference in the world! Many computers have design flaws that make cooling more challenging then others. I had trouble with my Toshiba Satellite turning off when it was sitting in the car seat next to me (streets and trips) at work and it never occurred to me it was just overheating! I just thought it was getting old and tired. After blowing out its fan, it runs much cooler and doesn't shut down when it's on the couch like it used to. Blow out those fans!
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Yuripro84
Jun 9 2007, 07:42 AM
Obviously, like mentioned before, make sure you dust out your laptop to get that dust out of there. I hadn't for about a year or two, but after dusting it out, it ran around 5 times faster (at least) and was so much quieter. Also, look at some stores for a cooling system. Even go to a store and ask one of the employees for any recommendations, they (usually) know what's best. Good luck finding this!
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Jimmy
Jun 9 2007, 10:49 AM
SM, I know that you've said you don't want anything to do with taking the laptop apart, but I think it might be your best option... my old hp laptop (not old, but older!) had a power problem, so after much worrying I decided to have a look. It doesn't change anything and you don't have to touch any metal parts to worry about static discharge at all Honestly you're best option would be to clean the fans... It doesn't take anything and is free... It's surprisingly easy to clean 'em: Just turn the laptop upside down and put it flat on a table (with a towel to stop it scratching or whatever) undo the 5 or so screws holding the base plate off and carefully lift it off. get a cotton bud and clean the fans... I probably wouldn't blow them as teh dust would just go everywhere, but whatever you feel like  bear in mind also that this would be quicker than waiting for a new cooler and having another thing to get working and keep with the laptop... OK if that's not your thing I think the zalman cooler would be a good thing to get... it's only £30 and I can say it is built well... none of those annoying creaks. (considering it's aluminium - comes in black or silver, whichever suits your comp better...) Also, it's the right size for up to 17" screen, not many other ones are! A quick google for a place to buy sent me here: Zalman cooler See Review This is it... it may also be good for a slight tilt in the keyboard of the laptop... I'm thinking I might save up and get one, I could use it right now  (another bonus about this one is that, apparantly, the fans are nice and quite too, looking at reviews!)
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Saint_Michael
Jun 9 2007, 12:06 PM
@Buff that is a steal of course that is a tad bit expensive and from what I been reading these things do break easily especially the fans. @true fusion I usually do, sometimes I unplug my laptop and sit it right next the AC for a few minutes for it to drop down in the high 70's low 80's before I go back to what I do. @Watermonkey I bust a can out a couple times of month, but my laptop don't get that dusty due to the fact I have poor ventilation when I have it on my lap or on a pillion for comfort. I might haveto change my ventilation patterns around, interestingly enough I called up dell to see if I could adjust the fans myself, but no luck on that. @Jimmy thats what I more or less been looking at for a few hours of searching, I did most of it at newegg.com and you be surprised how many different cooling systems they have. Of course with my laptop being a Dell XPS it's pretty big and most of the cooling systems were small; however, I did find this one:  with 198 reviews with 60% of them rated excellent I would say this would be the perfect one. FULL PRODUCT INFO
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Renaissance
Jun 9 2007, 02:45 PM
I was looking at a similar method for use at my cottage. It is a nice find but you have to remember that it is USB powered. Is there any info on battery usage? Things will be fine so long as you maintain outlet power, but I have a feeling that it will kill your battery.
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master_bacarra
Jun 9 2007, 05:28 PM
my [former] classmate also has a cooler similar to the ones in the picture. i was surprised because i haven't heard about such before.  i know, where have i been? hahaha. anyway, one of my batchmates in college said he had an air conditioning system installed in his room just for his laptop, but he said it wasn't helping that much; although i know it would probably be less hot in your place than here in the tropics
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Saint_Michael
Jun 10 2007, 12:59 AM
QUOTE(Renaissance @ Jun 9 2007, 10:45 AM)  I was looking at a similar method for use at my cottage. It is a nice find but you have to remember that it is USB powered. Is there any info on battery usage? Things will be fine so long as you maintain outlet power, but I have a feeling that it will kill your battery. If it helps this product comes with an On and off switch, and I looked over the specs and it doesn't mention anything, but I would assume that detail would be found in the actual package. I am to assume that your referring to how much juice it will suck out from the battery if you don't have a AC adaptor plug in? @MB I would assume you know about PC cooling systems, if so its same concept but for a laptop. As with you friend in order for the AC to work the computer needs to be directly in it's air path for it to stay cool, just running a AC won't help as much if not next to the AC.
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BuffaloHELP
Jun 28 2007, 09:04 PM
Which fan type you choose the importance is on the CFM (cubic feet per mintue) rating. A 120mm fan can actually move less air than a 80mm fan, aside from the extra noise. If I was to build my own cooler, which is my next project for my sister, I would install a step-up voltage capacitor. I have already made a regular USB to round adapter that resembles any regular pin type connector cable. I'll make my own board that regulates 5V in-current to maybe a 12V out-current volt transformer. Or, perhaps even to a larger volt but I should also watch how much heat is generated from volt transformer. Using a higher volt and regulated mA, I can install any fan I choose. Start with a sheet of aluminum (better heat dissipater), position and cut vent holes for fans according to my sister's laptop and install. Perhaps I can make it resembling Jimmy's suggestion  with slight slop to have the laptop in an inclined position. Encase the aluminum sheet so that the capacitor and transformer is tucked inside, away from giving an electric shock or potential danger. It may be bulky but the portability isn't the issue with my sister's laptop.
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Saint_Michael
Jun 20 2007, 02:29 AM
QUOTE(BuffaloHELP @ Jun 19 2007, 06:41 PM)  Just to update on the performance of Targus Chillhub.
It was a flop! In the beginning it was all quite dandy. However, prolong usage proved that the effectiveness quickly dwindled as my sister's laptop began to run hotter.
Just to be on the fair side, her laptop is still Compaq Presario with AMD 64bit chip that came out about 2 years ago. She is a school teacher and hardly ever use her laptop beyond 2~3 hours at a time. This one weekend she decided to do her shopping over the internet and used about 4 hours. Bam! Her laptop came to the familiar halt when she opened three internet browsers... we were so disappointed as you can see.
This Compaq laptop had so many bad reviews to begin. So perhaps it wasn't Targus Chillhub's fault at all. But we did additional 6 hours of computer operation with just the normal $9.99 clip on house fan and we had no further freezing of computer operation. That tells me that Compaq design for cooling this laptop was/is very poor (I want to say even worse word but I'll hold) and any laptop coolers powered by USB isn't adequate enough to cool her laptop.
USB's maximum voltage output is 5V with the tolerance of +-3%. This means, two or more fans for any laptop cooler are running 5V fans. Cheaper coolers may run two 2.5V fans. When was the last time you saw an effective fan doing anything with 5V? Even a decent computer case fan requires 7v or more. This raises the question, can a USB powered cooler be any good at all? Interestingly enough when I was scanning for cooling systems, some reviews claim that after awhile the fans break or something like that. Going into my 2 week using this system and it has proven quite successful, especially at nights when I don't have my AC running. However, when it gets nice and hot out and the AC in the room is useless, the cooling system becomes a bit useless as well, but that isn't unusual though when it comes to heat. Nah heat couldn't be the only problem, it could be a memory issue, problems with the cpu or motherboard or even the bios that could cause the computer to stall like that. I would assume she brought it to a tech to figure it out and junk, if not should because if your computer is generating more heat then something is busted or on the verge of being busting that is producing all that heat. Let I mentioned in my early post, at the right room temperature it drops a good 13-15 degree's and the battery life is excellent as well. So it would have to depend on the product and of course the type of computer and of course the proper ventelation. QUOTE(Watermonkey @ Jun 19 2007, 09:27 PM)  I do believe the answer to your question is a definite maybe. The reason it could work is if it was actually engineered for the specific laptop in question and that's going to be tough since there are so many different case/cooling designs out there. I believe the goal of a device such as the Targus Chillhub is to move air over the bottom of the case, as is the goal of most of these products. If the case isn't dissipating much heat from the CPU(s) to begin with, then this would be futile. One thing I love about my MacBook Pro is the case is actually aluminum and also acts as a heat sink, quickly dissipating heat effectively. Furthermore my computer has two fans that draw air in from the sides (probably from the speaker grills) and out the back side below the screen hinge. The previous generation of this computer has simple small holes in the back for the air to travel through and they constricted the flow of air enough to generate heat issues and cause problems! Now the air flow has been improved by replacing the holes with long slits which allow much more air to flow out the back and the heat issues are gone. Just one little over site in engineering and design can make all the difference in the world. That's why I always say, let someone else test out the first generation of a product so you can buy the improved second generation (after reading the reviews, of course!).
I wonder if there's a product out there that has multiple USB links to gather more voltage from the computer... I think most laptops share voltage between USB ports so maybe that wouldn't solve the low voltage/low fan speed problem, just a thought. Thats what my hardware class has been talking about if you set up your computer tower with a fan to intake and outtake air, then you will have a good circulation and keep your computer rather cool. Of course then we debated about the fact which would be better two 120mm fans or 3-4 80mm fans, but with that though comes how much you want your computer to be running quietly then you go with the 120mm fans and set them up like I mentioned earlier.
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Watermonkey
Jun 20 2007, 01:27 AM
QUOTE(BuffaloHELP @ Jun 19 2007, 03:41 PM)  USB's maximum voltage output is 5V with the tolerance of +-3%. This means, two or more fans for any laptop cooler are running 5V fans. Cheaper coolers may run two 2.5V fans. When was the last time you saw an effective fan doing anything with 5V? Even a decent computer case fan requires 7v or more. This raises the question, can a USB powered cooler be any good at all? I do believe the answer to your question is a definite maybe. The reason it could work is if it was actually engineered for the specific laptop in question and that's going to be tough since there are so many different case/cooling designs out there. I believe the goal of a device such as the Targus Chillhub is to move air over the bottom of the case, as is the goal of most of these products. If the case isn't dissipating much heat from the CPU(s) to begin with, then this would be futile. One thing I love about my MacBook Pro is the case is actually aluminum and also acts as a heat sink, quickly dissipating heat effectively. Furthermore my computer has two fans that draw air in from the sides (probably from the speaker grills) and out the back side below the screen hinge. The previous generation of this computer has simple small holes in the back for the air to travel through and they constricted the flow of air enough to generate heat issues and cause problems! Now the air flow has been improved by replacing the holes with long slits which allow much more air to flow out the back and the heat issues are gone. Just one little over site in engineering and design can make all the difference in the world. That's why I always say, let someone else test out the first generation of a product so you can buy the improved second generation (after reading the reviews, of course!). I wonder if there's a product out there that has multiple USB links to gather more voltage from the computer... I think most laptops share voltage between USB ports so maybe that wouldn't solve the low voltage/low fan speed problem, just a thought.
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BuffaloHELP
Jun 19 2007, 10:41 PM
Just to update on the performance of Targus Chillhub. It was a flop! In the beginning it was all quite dandy. However, prolong usage proved that the effectiveness quickly dwindled as my sister's laptop began to run hotter. Just to be on the fair side, her laptop is still Compaq Presario with AMD 64bit chip that came out about 2 years ago. She is a school teacher and hardly ever use her laptop beyond 2~3 hours at a time. This one weekend she decided to do her shopping over the internet and used about 4 hours. Bam! Her laptop came to the familiar halt when she opened three internet browsers... we were so disappointed as you can see. This Compaq laptop had so many bad reviews to begin. So perhaps it wasn't Targus Chillhub's fault at all. But we did additional 6 hours of computer operation with just the normal $9.99 clip on house fan and we had no further freezing of computer operation. That tells me that Compaq design for cooling this laptop was/is very poor (I want to say even worse word but I'll hold) and any laptop coolers powered by USB isn't adequate enough to cool her laptop. USB's maximum voltage output is 5V with the tolerance of +-3%. This means, two or more fans for any laptop cooler are running 5V fans. Cheaper coolers may run two 2.5V fans. When was the last time you saw an effective fan doing anything with 5V? Even a decent computer case fan requires 7v or more. This raises the question, can a USB powered cooler be any good at all?
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Renaissance
Jun 13 2007, 03:39 AM
QUOTE(Jimmy @ Jun 12 2007, 06:06 PM)  @ renaissance, the link to review for the one I posted does go over battery life as well  - They found about 10-15 percent battery time was lost depending on low-high speed, but it's not too much of an issue... I mean, considering if your laptop is sitting on this thing, then it's probably gonna be plugged in at ur desk, or if the cooling system wasn't USB to save battery power, you'd have to plug that in instead, making absolutely no difference!!! Hmm, don't know how I missed that info, must be a case of late-night posting  You're right about the USB power being "necessary", I was just wondering how optimized it was. QUOTE(Saint_Michael @ Jun 12 2007, 09:37 PM)  Well I put this cooling system to the test I let the fans run with my computer unplugged and let it run for an hour, and I didn't find any big battery loss. However, I do believe USB doesn't take that much power anyways, I could give you specifics as to how much they take, but worth investigating. I'm not sure yet, but if I do buy it I can give it a real test! My cottage has wall-to-wall windows with sun exposure from sunrise to ~6pm. My laptop is a T41 (slim and black), the area I "work" in is in direct sunlight, and having no AC makes it really toasty. I know the USB-powered fan base can't make that much of a difference but anything helps; honestly a scenario like that makes me dream of a nitrogen-injected processor
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