Aww, communism. Ok, well, I mean, it's really true that there's almost no chance of it actuallyh working in people coming from a capitalistic society. Take china, for example. It was going good at first, but in china, russia, etc, it's always collapsed into stalinism/socialism. I agree that communism is a good idea, but as Lord Acton, my friend and yours said, "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." Basically, if communism always has to have a leader, that leader will most likely become a socialist dictator. Reccomended Reading: Karl Marx - The Communist Manifesto or, if you want an even older view on something like communism, read Thomas More's Utopia. Good stuff.

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I personaly don't think that communism is all that bad. It is bad when you get a crackpot leader controling everything in a country. If the leader, which could be a man or a woman but most often a man who is deranged and while controling the nation has unlimited access to nuclear weapons and a military to do what every they want. Look at the USSR both us meaning the United States and them were at a stand off to war because we didn't understand one another. Learning what another group of people is all about is a good thing. So instead of jumping to conclusions about communism or anything else, you need to take time to get to know the people and take time to understand where they are coming from. I personally disagree with what communism does to a nation. The country loses all it's ambition. For this reason communism has alwaysed failed and I belive always will fail. I belive that communistic nations should be dealt with most severly and that if they are not dealt with imeediatily that can become a dark smudge and a rapidly improving world. God Bless America.

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you know communisim might acctually be a good way to end all of these democrat and republican parties but still not one of all the communist countries has not been to war (that includes civial and around the world and in the past and present)

so democracy still has my vote

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I can't agree more. War in a communistic state is horrible because if the leader does not know how to run a war campaign then the nation is doomed. In a democracy you have multiple people giving imput so that the outcome is much more likely to be positive. That is why execpt Vietnam that we have never lost a war in America. We also have something to fight for. We have our freedom other nations don't have freedom of anything else truly worth while to fight for. That is why i agree with democracy.

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Hmm... the way I see it, communism has such a bad reputation -especially in the West- is because people tend to view different forms of government from themselves as potentially hostile. Especially when two countries are equal in power. I mean think about it: Rome vs Carthage, Athens vs Sparta, Poland vs Teutonic Knights, Ottoman Empire vs Europe, Napoleon vs the Sixth Coalition, Axis vs Allies, USSR vs USA. These were all major conflicts that arose because these nations believed that their form of government and culture was superior and irreconcilable to the other one, and therefore the other had to go or security against it had to be obtained at all costs. Also, people tend to associate communism with dictatorship. Although it's strange to me how a country like America could lambast Khrushchev and Andropov and yet support Franco and Mobutu.
Hmm... if I'm right, Stalin was so ignorant of war as to purge nearly all of his General Staff before WWII, yet the Soviet Union fought all the way to Berlin knocking on Hitler's door. And did the Soviet Union lose a single war besides the Polish-Soviet War? - WWI not counting, they weren't fighting it and it was practically civil war soon afterwards. And please don't tell me it lost the "Cold War". I'm talking about actual warfare.

I mean it's nice that a lot of people here are patriots of their fatherland, but you can't assume that just because a country is communist means that it's automatically inferior. Give it a chance. Most countries never got that chance because of some dictator or some power-hungry individual. Look at Czechoslovakia during the Prague Spring. "Communism with a face". And then Brezhnev came and rolled tanks through it when he thought it was becoming too liberal. Honestly, I'd say communism never got a real chance. It supposedly started in the largest and most backward country - which it wasn't supposed to do - and never did spread to an advanced, first-world country - which it was supposed to do. I'd say just going by Marxist theory that true communism never came, just gleanings of it. Kind of like the roots of democracy. Athens had a system where only men of property could vote, was practically an oligarchy, and yet is called the founder of democracy. Even though it fell and democracy never came till the time of USA. Perhaps the same will be true of communism. But still, you can't say "case closed" because the case is not done. Communism hasn't spread to a leading, first-world industrialized nation yet, so you can't say it'll never work because its conditions were never realized.

 

 

 

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Communism is a great idea that has just been used, or attempted poorly. I keep reading how if people use communism, one person will be doing more than the other, and being paid the same as someone doing less...okay well i see a lot of hard workers, who get paid very minimal compared to others working not even half as hard as they do...whay is the difference? Atleast no one will be more rich than another. I understand the religious problems, because technically with communism you have to be no religion or only one...to be the same, but that is a good thing. Diversity obviously just gets us in trouble. I just have so many opinions about communism, but basically i support it-when it is done right...or rather if it is.

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Because its not the right kind of equal. Not your rights, but what you can purchase/earn. It limits you to: this is what you are, nothing else.
You can't choose for yourself, or really even think. Its almost as if your life is a written story by law.

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IMO that it is valid argument against communism. Why should people strive to do well in a rewardless economy? Promotion means more responsibility without pay to squeeze out a gov't established quota of widgets every month - that means by the end of the month the factory churns out crap just to meet the deadline. And guess what - there is no competive market because its entirely controlled - you are stuck with bad quality items if you dont time your purchase right. Your stuck with junk like everyone else in that economy. Capitalism has its problems for sure, but IMO nowhere near as bad...

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Cuba seems to be doing OK because it balances its depleting sugar economy with tourism.

China's economy has been somewhat modified from the Russian style to Market Based reforms, with impressive results:
China GDP Chart

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Communism might try to state that everyone's equal, but no Government truly works that way. Both Democracy and Communism both have their upsides and downsides.

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Well in america, I don't have equal rights anyway...so why not everyone have equal rights. Wouldn't in theory i be allowed to marry, if everyone else can? Democracy isn't equal, and it isn't fair, its only fair for the majority, and those who agree with the government, life can't always be fair..but it'd be great if everyone felt the unfairness, and were forced to be equal.

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