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As Winston Churchill said, "Democracy is the worst form of government, except all those other forms."Communism only works if you have a very positive view of the nature of man. If left without financial incentives, would a person really work just as hard as he would in a Capitalist system where he would reap precisely what he sowed (after taxes)? As was shown in the Soviet Union, the a... read more.
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kev2310
now why does everybody hate communism its not such a bad idea, we are all equal and therefore share everyhting equaly. Although some poeple claim communis is the cause of menigitus although further testing has proved it not so. so why do poeple hate communism ? 'it ruins the whole way of life' ' it does not allow people the chance to succeed' most of that is crap althoguh i can see where they are coming from. althoguh there wrong. maybe instead of being afraid of communism we should embrace it and learn what it can give us. Also star wars phantom menice sucked!!

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ghostrider
I don't think that everyone hates communism, I just think it is disliked because it has failed every single time that it has been implemented in a country, and back in the Cold War people thought that communists are out to get them. It isn't a bad system in theory, and maybe in a small group of hard working people it could successfully work, but other than that the human emotion called greed will kick in, and people will start stealing so they can have better things, which in turn causes more jealousy and problems. Not everyone hates communism, but most people know it fails in large numbers of people.

Ohh and by the way, Welcome to Trap17! I see this is your first post.

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AlternativeNick
alright, ill go ahead and start a communist community, you can go out and farm and ill sell what you make, you have to do all the hard work, ill sit on my butt and sell what you make and then we can split the money ok?

thats really what communism suggests, have one group of people do the hard work, another group do the easy stuff, and you all get paid the same.

and thats only when it works right, in all the situations that communism has actually been used, they make the already poor people do all the hard work, and then the already rich people make all the money, hence the phrase 'the rich get richer and the poor get poorer'

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the_aggie10
communism is stupid. all it does is have a dictator. and all a dictator does is tell everyone, yes everyone what to do. we wouldnt want that would we? NO we wouldnt, if that was the case the human race would be off the face of the earth.

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Dooga
Communism currently exist as modified versions. Some different "versions" of communism would be socialism, and democratic socialism (such as Canada where welfare and such compensations are commonly distributed). Communism is just an extreme on the ideologies.

Communism doesn't actually involve dictatorship, although it could. It's based on an idea that everyone will have the same money, opinions, and religion, all except for a leader or a group of leaders. This is the ultimate flaw, as this group of leaders usually have too much power. Unless we get a group of unbias robots to control the society, communism doesn't work too well.

Most countries aren't communist. China is currently a socialist country, and moving towards a socialist democracy. Of course, we know that North Korea is an extreme exception.

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randomdood
communism doesn't exist, it's a theory, csome government systems try to follow this but there is no true communism in the world, there is always some capitalism mixed in *which is also a theory) the idea i hate about communism though is public schools, i have my reasons for it.

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Yacoby
QUOTE(kev2310 @ Nov 2 2006, 09:56 PM) *

now why does everybody hate communism its not such a bad idea

In my opinion communism is a great idea, it just encountered one problem, the fact that humans are in most cases greedy, and have a liability to get corrupt. Based on the idea of how a human works, capitalism is a better idea.

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alright, ill go ahead and start a communist community, you can go out and farm and ill sell what you make, you have to do all the hard work, ill sit on my butt and sell what you make and then we can split the money ok?

thats really what communism suggests, have one group of people do the hard work, another group do the easy stuff, and you all get paid the same.

That is what happens under capitalism, except people get payed a different amount, and the guy who "sits on his butt" gets a huge bonus at the end of the year.


One of the problems with communism was that shopkeepers had no incentive to sell you things, there are stories of people having to spend 10 minutes to get the shop keeper to admit to the fact that he had something in stock. There is no motivation.

 

 

 


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Tailson
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I just think it is disliked because it has failed every single time that it has been implemented in a country

Not true. Cuba is a communist country, and they work just fine. Well, better than all the other countries who attempted it anyway. China is still technically a communist country. The only problem is that the ordinary citizens in China have been fed propoganda that their country is doing better than every other counrty in the world by isolating individual communication to the rest of the world (for example, internet keywords such as "freedom", "equality" and other such words are blocked from the web using nationwide filters).

And there are cases here in England that communism will work. With the growing cases of assaults and stabbings in and around my area, and with large groups of "chavs" (Ack) hanging around the streets, all our current law enforcement can do is tell them off, and get their phone numbers, in which case they'll probably give false ones. Now, if we were a communism, these groups of people walking around causing trouble will no longer be told off, but threatened by the army that if they didn't leave and get off the streets, well, you can guess what happens then.

Not a nice thing to be thinking about, but extreme problems call for extreme solutions.

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jhsmurray
Here's a historical response to the question:
One of the main reasons why westerners hate communism (particularly in the United States) is because of how things transgressed immediately following WWII.

Side note: when people think of communism, they think of Russia (or USSR) most likely. But Russia wasnt the truest form of communism in the Marxist sense.

During the Cold War era, communism represented the other half of the Mutually Assured Destruction equation. There was also something called the "Domino Theory", which was a perception that the USSR was aggressively enforcing the communist agenda to its neighbors, one country at a time. The polemic idealism was perpetuated by propaganda on both sides. But what the west called the "Domino Theory" was actually a medieval strategy employed by Russia and her predecessors as a defense matrix in the event of a land war. One of the more widely studied communist leaders is the Russian Party Leader Kruschev who was responsible for the raising of the Berlin Wall. This was not to stop a potential invasion from the west, but to prevent people defecting from Russia. The main reason that Russia staggered is, well IMO, because of their political system - communism. Is it a reason to hate communism? No, but I hope it helps explain where some of the hatred comes from.

By the way, westerners were not the only ones to promulgate the communist system. Naziism is diametrically opposed to communism - even though Russia and Germany had a non-aggression contract at the start of WWII, it was basically only a matter of time before the Germans invaded Russia.

QUOTE(Tailson @ Nov 3 2006, 06:33 AM) *
And there are cases here in England that communism will work. With the growing cases of assaults and stabbings in and around my area, and with large groups of "chavs" (Ack) hanging around the streets, all our current law enforcement can do is tell them off, and get their phone numbers, in which case they'll probably give false ones. Now, if we were a communism, these groups of people walking around causing trouble will no longer be told off, but threatened by the army that if they didn't leave and get off the streets, well, you can guess what happens then.


I think I know where you're coming from, but I'd have to argue against communism.

Sometimes I visit the UK, and in one suburb of London I see that they have CCTV everywhere (are they even on?). But the 5 or 6 times I visited there, not one time have I seen the police - but there are some bad apples around there looking for trouble, I've run into a few of them. Even so, it would be sad to see it devolve into marshall law, or a police state. That would be overkill. More to the point, communism does not necessarily preclude violence.

I guess my main argument against communism is I am a rugged individualist. I think each of us should have a voice that is equally heard, and I think we should all have a hand in deciding the policies of our government (eg Democracy). But I do not hate communism - I dont really have any reason to. I have the luxury of living in a country where communism is not supported.

Thinking in terms of economy, its a tough call. Before I would have plainly said that communist countries could never have a booming economy. Now, I am not so sure - it's worth going over if anyone has recent statistics - I think that would be a valid point to make.





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Madkat-Z
Unfortunately communism was given a bad name by those who tried to implement the process. Mostly because either the leader abused their power or it wasn't implemented correctly. If I remember reading about the whole philosophy a communism should even be run by a dictator, but more like a democracy. So in a sense most of the attempts made in history haven't even been a true attempt at the system.

The other thing is that many people don't like the idea that they would be getting paid the same as everyone else, because many people spend alot of time and effort into their jobs and feel they should get paid more then someone who hasn't put as much time and effort into their job. Which I understand. If you spend 4 years in college to become a rocket scientist and you get paid as much as a fast food worker who spent only 4 years in high school, I would feel like I was pulling the short straw.

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SportsLegends
As Winston Churchill said, "Democracy is the worst form of government, except all those other forms."

Communism only works if you have a very positive view of the nature of man. If left without financial incentives, would a person really work just as hard as he would in a Capitalist system where he would reap precisely what he sowed (after taxes)? As was shown in the Soviet Union, the answer is "no". And because people do not have motivation to work when they are not being adequately compensated, it forces the government of Communist countries into one of three options: abort Communism, live in poverty, or scare the workers into working.

That, in my opinion, is the major difference between capitalism and communism- in capitalism, the hard-worker is rewarded by financial gain- in communism, the slacker is oftentimes severely punished. I would prefer to live under the capitalist system- I prefer the carrot to the stick.

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dylan2xs
Well Communism does not work right now, and i think the main reason is that the natural yearning of the human spirit is to be free, all countries with communistic systems failed for example you can see Cubans risk their own lives crossing shark infested waters on crafts made of tires and aluminum to come to the United States just running away from communism ..as i said it does not work in a real world ..in a fantasy land.. well maybe communism sounds great ..like paradise on earth ..but now its impossible because to make that happens its needed perfect people in goverment and perfect citizens supporting them.

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osknockout
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Okay. We'll just allow people to marry groups, animals, and inanimate objects while we're at it. Stop throwing out a Straw Man argument, please. Get back on topic.
Wow. Harsh. Even for that type of logical fallacy.

True, there is the nationalist minority problem, but it's just more accentuated now. Only thing is the rate at which they're allowed to deal with it with international media coverage. With Putin around, seems like it's slowly reverting to the tried and true Soviet methods... e.g. that ban on non-government organizations that almost passed... so I don't know if that's just a short-term change of government thing, cause things like that happen in most transition phases.

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Kioku
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Wouldn't in theory i be allowed to marry, if everyone else can?


Okay. We'll just allow people to marry groups, animals, and inanimate objects while we're at it. Stop throwing out a Straw Man argument, please. Get back on topic.

My one friend Don has pointed out that when Russia was the USSR still; everything was alot better for the people inside of there in alot of ways. Now, there's herion junkies and the entire Chechyn thing they have to deal with that wouldn't have been much of a problem and delt with swiftly, back then.

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lwolfe26
The problem with communism is leadership. For communism to work it has to be across the board, the president, congressmen, senators, etc would have to be equal to everyone else. Due to human nature, you always have someone bigger, better, higher up than everyone else who gets greedy.

No country has a perfect system, there are problems with democracy, socialism, communism.

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