Kubi
Jun 15 2006, 02:24 AM
Why do people insist on abusing there animals? Most claim it's because they can't afford food or vaccine for there animal. But what about those who CAN? Are they just "to busy", or what? I've been watching this show, "Animal Cops Houston". Simply, they go around and save abused animals. Well in todays episode they saved a pregnant horse. Well, the house was malnourished, it's hair was falling out, and it's bones were clearly visible. It was disgusting. Just the way they handled the animal. The police took the horse and put it in a safe holding and had it checked out. Basically the issue was, either the baby dies, or the parent dies. During the night the mother gave birth. It was premature, and the baby wasn't being fed inside the mother, so they had to bottle feed the baby constantly to keep it alive. Obviously they had to put the mother down, and the baby survived. They pressed charges on the owners, here's what angers me. the fine was 2 days in prison and a fine of 1,000 dollars. That's ridiculous! 2 day!? 1000 dollars?! I'm sure the horse cost ATLEAST twice that price, and seeing as how it had to have a mate, where's the other horse? On another show the penalty was nearly 10 YEARS in prison and thousands MORE dollars, for leaving a dog unattended in a house for 2 weeks. The dog made a full recovery, but not the horse, and the dog owner got fined more! What's wrong with that? People who abuse there animals showed be able to own them. When you buy an animal you know you should be financialy stable. If you can't care for it, ADOPT IT OUT! What are your guys views on animal cruelty?
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leeleelee
Jun 15 2006, 02:33 AM
They should be put down like the animals they abuse have to be.
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BordaForx
Jun 15 2006, 02:36 AM
You have your points there. But in some points, I would have to disagree with you. First, I would start off that I have pets of my own in which I love very much and would never starve or dehydrate. I just want to start off this post without and biases. Like you, I believe it's wrong to starve or dehydrate any animal which is, as I agree with you, awful. Most of the so called owners say they can't afford for the animal's food or water. I would like to state here that almost anybody can afford water if you're either living in a house or apartment, no matter how rich or poor (unless you're a tramp...). These animal abusers, by making excuses, are insinuating that they cannot afford for these poor animals, so yes, I do think these owners should have their animals taken away. Also, following your story with the horse, I think he had received a just punishment ; he should not receive more or less. With his two years in prison, it would be vastly difficult for him to obtain a job as he can support himself during his advancing age. He would learn the lesson that animal cruelty is wrong, which he learned the hard way. These are my opinions. Yes, I think animal cruelty is absurd and wrong, but if you kill an animal, you should not be sentenced the same way you have killed a human.
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Kubi
Jun 16 2006, 02:06 AM
Actually Nova, I said that in terms of the horse case, he got 2 DAYS in prison. I do undersntad 2 years, but not 2 DAYS which is was. Leelee, do you think you could contribute more of your opinion?
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hulunes
Jun 16 2006, 12:23 PM
umm...this is really a concered view i saw some news about animal cruelty on internet recently.some kitten or puppy are kicked or batted to die...very very cruel ;break human innated morality...i disagree any acts like that...
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BOAW
Jun 16 2006, 12:49 PM
yo ive heard and seen worse. But this is different. I seen on ther internet people skinning these racoon like cats ALIVE. It was so disgusting and sick i felt so friggin sorry for these animals. after they were skinned they were still alive and would move very little. Ive never seen anything like it. Ive also seen poeple push cages full of cats and dogs off the roof of buses alive. i really didnt understand the concept of that but that doesnt matter to me its just way to messed up no matter how you put it. and one more messed up thing was where how ive seen these people put a little tiny cat or kitten into a glass jar and keep in there. They would feed it to keep it alive till it grew inside that jar and form the shape of the jar that it was inserted in. how sick and disgusting is that. all of this stuff you can find somewhere on the internet. Now those are the people that just deserve to be shot and killed. i also noticed that all the info i received watching and reading about these animal crueltys was that they were perform out of the US like as if in some other countrys the things that they do are acceptable which really pisses me off becuase that means this may still be going on now and nothing is being done about it
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Madkat-Z
Jun 16 2006, 07:31 PM
I've watched that show as well and I kind of believe that the penities should be worse, because to me an animals, insects, and plants, have just as much a right to life as humans do. I have a friend who is going to has to get rid of his dog soon, because where they are moving too doesn't allow pets, but he doesn't leave it do die at his old house. He goes over at least three times a day to let the dog in and out, make sure it has food and water and he is going to keep doing it until he can find a new owner or take it to an animal shelter. QUOTE yo ive heard and seen worse. But this is different. I seen on ther internet people skinning these racoon like cats ALIVE. It was so disgusting and sick i felt so friggin sorry for these animals. after they were skinned they were still alive and would move very little. Ive never seen anything like it. Ive also seen poeple push cages full of cats and dogs off the roof of buses alive. i really didnt understand the concept of that but that doesnt matter to me its just way to messed up no matter how you put it. and one more messed up thing was where how ive seen these people put a little tiny cat or kitten into a glass jar and keep in there. They would feed it to keep it alive till it grew inside that jar and form the shape of the jar that it was inserted in. how sick and disgusting is that. all of this stuff you can find somewhere on the internet. Now those are the people that just deserve to be shot and killed. Now I agree with you on that BOAW, I don't think they should be shot however, but need to be hunted down and punished for their crime (I think life in prison is a good option). There comes a point where people do abuse their right to life, by taking lives ot others for no reason at all. As a personal opinion, they need to try and hunt down those people who do that, I'm pretty sure there are some clues in those videos to who they maybe.
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brainless
Jun 16 2006, 09:40 PM
QUOTE Madkat-Z wrote: I've watched that show as well and I kind of believe that the penities should be worse, because to me an animals, insects, and plants, have just as much a right to life as humans do. As I'm living in another country, I've obviously not seen the show. I agree with the second part of your sentence completely, though I think animals and plants have more of a right to exist than humans do (no other species destroys life in such a systematic fashion as we do. As I write this one sentence, a couple of soccer fields of rain forest have been burned down to feed the animals we raise to feed us. well, not exactly "us" humans but some cows which will be slain to feed those who can afford the meat. By the way, it takes about 9 pounds of grass/soy/green stuff to get one pound of meat out of a cow. Let's ignore the meat industry for a moment: Guess how much of the world hunger problem could be solved if the green stuff was distributed directly to the people instead of making it go the way through a cow's stomach? Even in a capitalist fashion, this green stuff could be affordable for most people...) anyways, there's a simple rule of behavior if you take care of an animal which is not able to support itself (though most are if you set 'em free): If you're running low on money, save on yourself and not on the animal. It's not the animal's fault that you're bankrupt, is it? We had some 18 cats a couple of years ago because we didn't get to sterilizing two of them soon enough. Before we were able to give most of them away (to, hopefully, caring hands  ), my siblings and me noticed that there weren't as many sweets in the sweets box as usual. Guess where the money was spent instead... (there are five or six cats around our house nowadays, depending on whether the youngest cat makes her kitten stay or not and it's only a matter of months how long the oldest will stay with us, she's about 15 now...)
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Tetraca
Jun 16 2006, 10:21 PM
Hurting anything for fun is not only sick, but shows you have an underlying psychotic illness you need to fix either by psychology or dianetics(if you believe in it). There's nothing wrong with killing animals for necessities such as fur or meat, but just for fun isn't right.
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BEagle
Jun 17 2006, 10:19 AM
I dont agree with hurting animals in any way. After reading these posts i see that most of u think animals should be treated with respect and that people who abuse them should be given a harsher punishment other than 2 days and a thousand dollar fine. Yet your kind of contradicting yourselves there, if you respect them so much why do you PAY for animals? Why do people profit from selling them? You pay for them like there a general object. Madkatz says "but need to be hunted down and punished for their crime (I think life in prison is a good option)." this is a punishment associated with murder, should then animals be treated with the same rights as humans? do you buy and sell humans? Do animals like to be kept inside when they want to be outside? do you? is it not a humans right to go where he wants? should animals be treated the same way? just some things to think about there.
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Kioku
Jul 26 2006, 11:59 PM
Everything dies. We die. Animals die. If an animal dies, you cry for it, does the power of Disney magically summon pixies to bring it back to life? No? I didn't think so. That's not how things work. Just because we're a dominant species does not mean we have to play God. We can be just like all of the other animals. Animals not only kill other animals for food. They do it for fun. Example: Would you trust a violet dog near a small child? All whining put aside, I'd rather have products tested on an animal that has a shorter life span than humans which have a longer one. Why, you ask? It's quite simple. It's alot more profecient if they can give birth in a few weeks, instead of waiting six more months. Not only that, less people would complain.
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Kubi
Jul 25 2006, 05:25 PM
Well ok ok, they should be put away for longer. But life in prison? Cmon guys, we don't even get life in prison for murder(most times). Like I said, they should be in longer then 2 days. Not life.
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Sage_rose17
Jul 11 2006, 03:12 AM
QUOTE(KuBi @ Jun 15 2006, 02:24 AM)  Why do people insist on abusing there animals? Most claim it's because they can't afford food or vaccine for there animal. But what about those who CAN? Are they just "to busy", or what?
I've been watching this show, "Animal Cops Houston". Simply, they go around and save abused animals. Well in todays episode they saved a pregnant horse. Well, the house was malnourished, it's hair was falling out, and it's bones were clearly visible. It was disgusting. Just the way they handled the animal.
The police took the horse and put it in a safe holding and had it checked out. Basically the issue was, either the baby dies, or the parent dies. During the night the mother gave birth. It was premature, and the baby wasn't being fed inside the mother, so they had to bottle feed the baby constantly to keep it alive. Obviously they had to put the mother down, and the baby survived.
They pressed charges on the owners, here's what angers me. the fine was 2 days in prison and a fine of 1,000 dollars. That's ridiculous! 2 day!? 1000 dollars?! I'm sure the horse cost ATLEAST twice that price, and seeing as how it had to have a mate, where's the other horse? On another show the penalty was nearly 10 YEARS in prison and thousands MORE dollars, for leaving a dog unattended in a house for 2 weeks. The dog made a full recovery, but not the horse, and the dog owner got fined more!
What's wrong with that? People who abuse there animals showed be able to own them. When you buy an animal you know you should be financialy stable. If you can't care for it, ADOPT IT OUT!
What are your guys views on animal cruelty?
I really can not stand when people abuse their animals. It makes me sick. Animals do not deserve that kind of treatment. They're helpless animals, and should be treated with kindness. If I had my way I would just lock up all the people who abused their animals forever. There is no reason why they should do it. I've also watched shows like that, I can't stand to watch it. I'm also part of ASPCA mailing list. They have such sad stories and pictures of abused animals. And then in Korea they are beating dogs and burning them. How sick can you get!? How would they feel if they were being beaten and burned alive? I'm not saying that all Korean people eat dog, I have a friend who is from there and she's never eaten dog and also has strong feelings regarding animal abuse. I just wish that things weren't this way with sick people running around beating animals. I'm in complete agreement with you, I think they should have been put away longer.
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cgrim29588
Jun 30 2006, 02:37 PM
QUOTE(BEagle @ Jun 17 2006, 10:19 AM)  I dont agree with hurting animals in any way.
After reading these posts i see that most of u think animals should be treated with respect and that people who abuse them should be given a harsher punishment other than 2 days and a thousand dollar fine. Yet your kind of contradicting yourselves there, if you respect them so much why do you PAY for animals? Why do people profit from selling them? You pay for them like there a general object.
Madkatz says "but need to be hunted down and punished for their crime (I think life in prison is a good option)." this is a punishment associated with murder, should then animals be treated with the same rights as humans? do you buy and sell humans?
Do animals like to be kept inside when they want to be outside? do you? is it not a humans right to go where he wants? should animals be treated the same way?
just some things to think about there.
I agree with BEagle that people who abuse them should be given a harsher punishment such as life in prision without parole mabe that will treach me a lesson that they shouldn't abuse animals and as MadKatz said" but need to be hunted down and punished for their crime (I think life in prison is a good option)." this is a punishment associated with murder, should then animals be treated with the same rights as humans? do you buy and sell humans? That so true the lkilled an amimal is should be treated a murder, but that's just my opinion.
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adriantc
Jun 30 2006, 01:56 PM
I also watch this kind of TV shows on Animal Planet. The only difference it that they show Miami Animal Police. You are right with the problem of the fine and jail time, but you have to realize that there are far more important problems in the world then dogs not eating for two weeks. Some people in Africa don't eat for two weeks, so you see I can't agree to the fact that animals are considered a priority. We are still human and we should be looking after our "brothers" and "sisters". More the point there are lots of countries (mine included) who cannot afford to have an animal police. Even the human justice in the USA is far from perfect so you cannot demand to have a perfect justice for animals. In my country someone steals a cabbage (!) and he goes in jail for 6 months (!) (true story). A rich men shoots in the head a poor men because he dared to swim in this lake on a hot summer day (true story again) and guess what...the official conclusion: the weapon missfired and the poor men shot by mistake.... rich men gets 3 years in prison (which will probably be around 2 if the doesn't cause problems in prison). So you see there are ar greater problems with our justice system then this animal justice problems.
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