awesomebill61
Feb 9 2008, 09:27 PM
QUOTE(anachro @ Feb 9 2008, 01:31 AM)  I don't like vista (I'm using it right as I type this). Its very restrictive, and you have no control (you can't even change your default internet browser!), and it asked for alot of questions of things when you just told it to do so. I really think Microsoft should take some hints from Apple, and find a better way of restricting things, without limiting options, because at one point I hate my new laptop so much I wanted to break it, get a new one, sell it BRAND NEW on Ebay, and buy a Mac because of how free and secure they are (it's ridiculously unbelievable how well Mac has it, and yet they are still not the major industry PC makers, its STUPID)
it IS true that it uses alot of CPU memory, but for me its what you CAN'T DO with YOUR OWN PERSONAL COMPUTER.
buy a mac if your going for anything but gamming. if your rich, buy both, use the Vista for gaming because more games are Windows compatible. i have vista and i changed my default internet browser to firefox.... no problem i never notice any problems with vista not being fast either... but my computer has a 5.4 vista experience score so it should do pretty good. and as for security flaws, windows is attacked far more than any other OS.... mac has what? 5% market share? and linux distros arent even over 1%? that leaves well over 90% of the population using windows computers.... which means for every 1 person who tries to exploit flaws in a mac theres 100 people trying to exploit flaws in windows. i'm sure OS X has just as many flaws as vista, theres just nobody who exploits them. and from a performance standpoint, SP1 supposedly really really improves vista's performance.
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CrashCore
Feb 10 2008, 05:20 PM
Vista is the plague of all operating systems. Using Vista is equivalent to saying, "I want to make my up-to-date hardware run as slow as possible. Maybe I can even reduce it pre-five-years-ago speeds!"  But seriously, as previously mentioned, Vista has a ridiculously high memory and CPU usage. This is why Linux is so great: everything is able to be personalized! If you're like me and always set up your Windows XP machines to use no graphical effects and not use the Luna display theme because it will slow down your PC ever so little, you can find or make a Linux distribution that has a small footprint. Or, you can always continue to use a combination of XP and Linux like I do.
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rs redemption
Feb 10 2008, 08:05 PM
on some of the computers that I have used, it really slowed me down. couple that with the lack of compatibility with some programs, and it makes it a really tough operating system to get used to. Aside from that however, there are always bugs in a new OS, like XP for instance. It wasn't really a 'preferred' OS until like SP2, and at that point the majority of people started switching over from 98 and (ugh) ME. That stated, I have used my step mom's computer, which has Vista on it, just to surf the web and whatnot, and it really is a nice operating system both in looks and performance, as long as you have the equipment to run it well, and aren't attempting to use anything that is not compatible with it.
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hawkfan45
Feb 10 2008, 09:13 PM
People Irritate me with their Useless Vista sucks rants. There is nothing wrong with the actual operating system that makes it run slow. If you have under 1.5 gb of ram its going to run regular but not fast. If you have 2+ gb of ram it will run great. Its a highly graphical system. The only people that hate it are computer illiterate people who can't read the box that has minimum or "recommended requirements". If your computer doesn't meet them then don't get it. The only reason to really get it is on a new BUILT for vista computer. Memory is cheap anyway, you can get 4 gb of ram on newegg for around $120 dollars. 4 gb of ram will make vista run fine seeing that you have a good processor and a decent video card. For the video card you need a minimum of 128 mb just for vista. Yes it may hog it, but vista was built for computers with good hardware. To meet the reccomended requirements may not be enough. But the reccomended is not always whats best. Hate the computer not the operating system. Hawk
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dre
Feb 11 2008, 01:29 AM
QUOTE There is nothing wrong with the actual operating system that makes it run slow. Really? Is that so? QUOTE
If you have 2+ gb of ram it will run great.
Well that's a shame since most games today will take all that ram away and you'll be using your oh-so-fast swap file. QUOTE Memory is cheap anyway, you can get 4 gb of ram on newegg for around $120 dollars. Or not. Well, unless you want crap. QUOTE If your computer doesn't meet them then don't get it. Even though it does I still wont get it. QUOTE Yes it may hog it, but vista was built for computers with good hardware. Please tell me why I would knowingly install a hog onto my computer. What kind of magic is it able to do since it requires so much? QUOTE Hate the computer not the operating system. Or not. You'll be hating your wallet later. Also, I love how your post says QUOTE There is nothing wrong with the actual operating system that makes it run slow. and then later it says QUOTE Yes it may hog it, but vista was built for computers with good hardware. I just find that hilarious. Oh, and welcome to Trap17.
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rvalkass
Feb 11 2008, 09:48 AM
QUOTE(hawkfan45 @ Feb 10 2008, 09:13 PM) There is nothing wrong with the actual operating system that makes it run slow. If you have under 1.5 gb of ram its going to run regular but not fast. If you have 2+ gb of ram it will run great. Its a highly graphical system. The colossal number of background processes may have something to do with the poor performance, along with the GUI taking up more processing power than it should, even at the graphical levels being used. If Microsoft had really thought about it, optimised the graphics and background processes, and allowed more tuning for how the graphics look, then performance might not be so much of an issue. QUOTE(hawkfan45 @ Feb 10 2008, 09:13 PM) The only people that hate it are computer illiterate people who can't read the box that has minimum or "recommended requirements". I rather take offence at being told that I can't read. I think you'll find that a large number of literate people also hate Vista. For example, a large proportion of the open source community hate it. People who have boxes popping up every 30 seconds asking for permission to do something are also getting pretty annoyed with it. People who find their hardware and software suddenly doesn't work are quite annoyed too. Laptop owners who find their batteries draining like charge is going out of fashion also hate Vista. And, of course, each of those people also fits into the group who has to pay around £200 for this dud operating system. QUOTE(hawkfan45 @ Feb 10 2008, 09:13 PM) If your computer doesn't meet them then don't get it. The only reason to really get it is on a new BUILT for vista computer. A large number of manufacturers are selling computers with Vista that meet the requirements, and still run slow. They are built specifically for Vista and it still doesn't work! QUOTE(hawkfan45 @ Feb 10 2008, 09:13 PM) Memory is cheap anyway, you can get 4 gb of ram on newegg for around $120 dollars. 4 gb of ram will make vista run fine seeing that you have a good processor and a decent video card. For the video card you need a minimum of 128 mb just for vista. Yes it may hog it, but vista was built for computers with good hardware. To meet the reccomended requirements may not be enough. But the reccomended is not always whats best. 4GB of unbranded RAM is around £60 (120 USD). If you want RAM that will actually work, you can get 4GB of Corsair RAM for around £80 (160 USD). That new DX10 graphics card you need is around another £50 to £70 depending on whether you want something from a good name (even those these prices are for the bare minimum required). Then you need the operating system. XP is roughly £50. Vista? £197.36! So that is a total cost of around £300 to £350, without upgrading your processor, motherboard or any peripherals that aren't going to work with Vista. Alternatively, of course, I save all that money and run KDE4 with Compiz Fusion to get all the glossy effects people love so much for £0.00, after spending £0.00 on required hardware upgrades of course. Wow, that's a saving of at least £300...
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heavensounds
Feb 11 2008, 10:55 AM
Some like it, some don't! Let's think about it from another point of view. Vista was a big big boom and bam that Microsoft tried to make a few years ago, but they ran into A LOT of problems trying to make a new great operating system that would close anti-microsoft mouths around the world....the failed BUT there was the promise and they waited as long as they could to create something that is not completely bad, but of course it is not great as promised. So yeah this is how it is, it is an ok operating system with all the latest things you need, but it runs slowly, sometimes just too slow and works well only on the latest computers... I think that we should all wait for the new so called "Windows Vienna" or something like that which is again, PROMISED to be really new with completely new code from scratch...and I hope that they will make it with vienna..but problems are inevitable even with that high amount of money involved...
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zamaliphe
Feb 11 2008, 10:58 AM
OK what i hate and what i like in windows vistafirst what i like will Microsoft are a thief
thy stole most of Linux stuff like
Linux command line
commands like "kill" was one of the best in Linux
and Meany moor
i think allot of people did complain about boor command line of windows
will vista is much beater
in this side nowand the eay candy stuff
i did try Linux with Beryl 3d effects
and it much much much beater than Windows vista
but the only way to use Windows vista is that most of
mobile software work only under windows
so I'm stuck with vista
by the way i did use the same 3d effects and even beater on Linux with only 256 MB of ram
but when it come to vista 1GB of ram is not good to run the system
and i think that the next windows will need 4 GB of ram at last just to be installedby the way my MB maximum capletey of ram is 4GB  are you still asking why we didn't like vista much 
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Amiel
Feb 11 2008, 12:08 PM
I hate Microsoft Windows Vista because of some reasons: 1st: I hate Microsoft Windows Vista because of it's system requirements. Oh cmon, it's very hard to get high specifications this time. Evey PC specs are very expensive and they are not worthy to buy in my opinion. Well, could you imagine, 1 gb ram could exactly give you the satisfaction? Think, it's Windows Vista, there are too many things and etc loaded and added there which are not important. For me as a consumer, 1 gb is not enough to run Windows Vista. I need atleast 2 gb ram to run that. 2nd: I hate Microsoft Windows Vista because of it's precious price. Oh cmon again. Microsoft Windows Vista is very expensive here in our country. So, pirated CD's are being sold in markets and everywhere! I almost cry when I saw it's price here. I cant imagine that at first, I need a 2 gb of RAM to run it, plus now, I need atleast 400 $ to buy Microsoft Windows Vista? I dont think so. I'd rather wait and I need to earn more money, so I can buy the luxurious Mac OS! 3rd: I hate Microsoft Windows Vista because of it is just a shiny version of Microsoft Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005! Well, it is more shiny, but I still hate it. I really prefer into the boring and classic original design of Microsoft's 95, 98, 2000, and ME! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- But even though I love to hate it, Microsoft Windows Vista can assure us that we are safe. It has great programs but others dont help though. For now, I'll stick with Microsoft Windows XP! -Amiel
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Galahad
Feb 12 2008, 09:26 AM
QUOTE(hawkfan45 @ Feb 10 2008, 10:13 PM) The only people that hate it are computer illiterate people who can't read the box that has minimum or "recommended requirements". Are you saying that 12 years of software development makes me illiterate? Choose your words more carefully in the future friend... I don't hate vista, as that would be a waste of my time and emotions on something that doesn't deserve a second of my time... When I choose an operating system, I don't want it to hog all my resources... I don't need a fancy shiny operating system, I need an operating system that works... If I bought 2G of RAM, then I bought it to be used, but not to be used by an operating system, so I'd have to buy more RAM... Why do you thing businesses and corporations haven't made the switch from XP to Vista? Because it's cost ineffective... It would cost them millions to upgrade their computer systems, and millions more to buy Vista... And what do they get? Nothing... Just a big scam, that actually doesn't look that nice afterall... I'll just remind you of a Linux desktop managers, like Beryl, that has a rotating 3D cube, that runs smoothly on 1.6GHz computer, with 1GB RAM... Movie is playing on one side, music on the other, while internet is on the third... And all of thet is being watched from the top side, mirrored! And there's no hickups... Operating system is supposed to be designed to run in the background, not to be the front end application... Operating systems, by function, should consume as little computer power as possible, not the opposite... Why would a home user, who has no income from the computer, give away about 400-600€ for they computer and OS, that will often hickup, when they can have a perfectly running compuet for 250€? I could say that people who run Vista are people, who just happen to have too much money and spare time on their hands, and do not depend on their computer to make money... Sadly, M$ will eventually make people migrate from XP to Vista, just as they did make people migrate from Win98 to XP in the past... However, I won't be one of them...
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