Brad
Oct 14 2005, 03:58 AM
Moderators/Administration - Please relocate if neccessary!You're probably all tired of seeing a topic on abortion. And, possibly even hearing about it. I know, it's been a huge debate in the past and it still is today. But, I want to pitch my two cents about it. First of all, why do we call those who are FOR abortion, PRO-CHOICE? We call people against abortion, ANTI-ABORTIONISTS. So why not call people for it PRO-ABORTIONISTS? This answer is simple: Abortion is UNNATURAL. Mothers aren't supposed to WANT to KILL their babies. Yes, abortion is MURDER. If a mother doesn't want her baby, something is wrong with that individual. I would say that the equivalence of abortion is throwing an infant off a bridge into a freeway. There's no difference, except the process in which they do it. I wrote an essay on this in school. I had to look up the facts, the methods of abortion. Some of them are the most gruesome things you'll ever see, hear, etc. I won't expound on this as this is an open board. I think that people need to THINK before they act. These days, more and more, teenage pregnancies are a huge thing. It's sad to say the least, but my highschool is ranked as the highest count of teen pregnancy rate in my state. I've already heard rumors of a Hispanic girl that's going to carry out with an abortion. Everyday, somewhere around the world, a mother is making the choice wether she will kill her baby, or let another human being live.
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sirfrancisdrake
Oct 14 2005, 04:04 AM
I totally agree with you. And since many Anti-Abortionists are called Prp-Life, why not call Pro-Abortionists Pro-Death? Also, people say that abortion is a woman's right, and so a 13 year old girl can get one without even telling her parents! And that's looked upon as a cool thing in a lot of communities! Like you said, abortion is nothing but legal murder.
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Brad
Oct 14 2005, 04:16 AM
It's really sad. I also think that another big factor in a lot of abortions made by younger woman, is peer pressure. You can't avoid it, that's never NOT going to happen.
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Tyssen
Oct 14 2005, 04:29 AM
QUOTE(sirfrancisdrake @ Oct 14 2005, 02:04 PM) And since many Anti-Abortionists are called Prp-Life, why not call Pro-Abortionists Pro-Death?
And while we're at it, why don't we call anti-abortionists pro-sticking-their-nose-into-others-business?
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brandice
Oct 14 2005, 01:15 PM
It's called Pro-Choice because women should have a choice. We're not all out there wanting everyone to 'kill their babies." In a perfect world, there would be no need for abortion. Young girls with no alternative would not get pregnant, there would be no rape, women would not have life threatening conditions that would end in death for themselves or the child if they stayed pregnant. But the fact is- we need that option, we need to have the choice.
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wild20
Oct 14 2005, 04:07 PM
I totally agree BRad. It clearly says in the bible that we shouldn't kill. How is that any different now? People believe that just because something is totally developed they can say they can kill it. Abortion was never meant to be. People just use it as an excuse to get rid of their ungodly and bad decisions and choices. I am with you on this one. I will continue to follow this. Thanks, -Wild20
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brainless
Oct 14 2005, 04:09 PM
QUOTE First of all, why do we call those who are FOR abortion, PRO-CHOICE? We call people against abortion, ANTI-ABORTIONISTS. So why not call people for it PRO-ABORTIONISTS? Because it's about women being allowed to choose whether they want to have the child or whether they want to abort their pregnancy. Pro-Abortionist would mean as much as aborting pregnancies should become the rule while keeping the child would become an exception. Anti-Abortionists, however, are not necessarily Pro-Life since in some cases the mother's life is endangered due to pregnancy. QUOTE I would say that the equivalence of abortion is throwing an infant off a bridge into a freeway. This is not true, an abortion in late weeks of pregnancy would rather be like giving an infant a lethal injection; throwing it off a bridge on a freeway would not only be followed by a charge of murder but also by a charge of dangerously disturbing traffic (well, at least in Germany throwing things off bridges on freeways is considered disturbing traffic). In early weeks of pregnancy however, an embryo is nothing like an infant - organs and limbs are not really formed until the infant in spe is a couple of weeks old; I'm not sure when there is something like detectable brain activity. In this phase of pregnancy, an abortion would rather equal a scientist destroying a culture of cells he's been researching on than a fully-formed (though not grown up yet) human being being killed. (I'm not going to declare a point at which the heap of cells ends and when a child begins since I haven't dealt with this topic in a long time ... but I'll stick to my opinion that there is a difference between early and late pregnancy...) QUOTE I wrote an essay on this in school. I had to look up the facts, the methods of abortion. Some of them are the most gruesome things you'll ever see, hear, etc. I won't expound on this as this is an open board. wait until you have to deal with Female Genital Mutilation as practiced in some central african tribes (just one hint 'cause I don't want this debate to be led off topic: getting a new, clean razor blade is something most females being subject to this can consider themselves lucky...). There is, however, no way destroying/killing something/someone can not be gruesome. QUOTE I think that people need to THINK before they act. And people need to act when they have thought things through. QUOTE Like you said, abortion is nothing but legal murder. I'd say it's rather a legal killing than a legal murder, though it might be murder under those circumstances which make the difference between a killing and a murder. Abortion to protect the mother's life, for example, would not be murder - or would you call a cop who kills someone to prevent this person from killing others a murderer? well, the short form of this post has already been posted by brandice (though a world without rape/life threatening conditions is not necessarily a perfect world ... but it's closer to perfect than a world in which people tend to think black and white only or prefer not to think at all...)
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serenity
Oct 14 2005, 04:36 PM
QUOTE(Brad @ Oct 14 2005, 03:58 AM) I wrote an essay on this in school. I had to look up the facts, the methods of abortion. Some of them are the most gruesome things you'll ever see, hear, etc. I won't expound on this as this is an open board. I think that people need to THINK before they act. These days, more and more, teenage pregnancies are a huge thing. It's sad to say the least, but my highschool is ranked as the highest count of teen pregnancy rate in my state. I've already heard rumors of a Hispanic girl that's going to carry out with an abortion. Everyday, somewhere around the world, a mother is making the choice wether she will kill her baby, or let another human being live. Abortion will never enter my mind ever. I cannot think of any women that would want to abort or murder their own children. it so bad init Every one has the right to live why not just give birth to the kid and if you still feel the same put them up for adoption its much better than killing them We all know that it is most of these killers are the teenager mums init because they dont want their parents to know and hate them but the fing is that they will hate you now for aborting the baby. Just know... THINK BEFORE YOU ACT
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DogEater008
Oct 14 2005, 05:16 PM
I'm for abortion because it's the mother's choices. If she was to born a baby and cannot or could barely support that baby, both the mother and child wouldn't live a happy life. The mother probably have to go to work all day, leaving the child back in the house by him or herself. The child would basiclly grow up without a mother. And in most cases, that child will turn to the wrong direction like joining a gang, doing drugs, skip school. And sure, people say that, what if the infant that someone is aborting right now, could have been a genius and discover the cure the aids or something. But, what are the chances of a kid, growing up in that environment to become a genius? And not to say of having a stupid (in my point of view) mother that got pregnant at such a young age (i'm assuming). And what if someone got rape and was pregnant, and she have to keep the baby that would remind of what happaned all her life. Would it be fair for the woman? Another perspective of mine is, our world are over populated. People are dying of hungers everyday because of not having enough food. And yet we are still fighting for more babies to be born. As we know it, china is trying to cut back in their population and only allow a family to have certain number of kids. In some case, kill their girl child to have another boy because the boy could carry on the name of their family or to be head of the family (the oldest) (not sure if they are still doing it, but back in the day they did).
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heavensounds
Oct 14 2005, 05:54 PM
Well Brandice I cannot agree with you! PRO-CHOICE is something that makes this illusion that women can make a choice only if abortion is allowed! The truth is, that women have THE CHOICE of letting get pregnant or not!!! And this is important here because it is not talked about very often, because everybody is just talking why abortion is Ok and why not! Let us not forget the we first have to have SEX to get pregnant (when it comes to raping, that is different and is a part of different discussion). And this is where our mentality should change - we can have fun without having sex unprepared for children!!! There are many ways for that! BUT if we have sex we take the responsibility of having a child (maybe)! Another thing that i find interesting is, that doctors determine the size of the fetus and say YES NOW IT IS TOO BIG AND DEVELOPED TO BE KILLED!?!?! C'MON! It is like that.... nothing grows without life in it!! And this is why life starts as soon as the sex was succesful and something starts to happen! Life does not come three weeks, 7 hours and 23 seconds after that moment, because DR. SMITH said so!!! So ABORTION IS MURDER! AND THE ONLY THING ONE HAS TO DECIDE IS if the baby will die 3 months old or maybe 80 YEARS old!! greetz
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iGuest
Oct 30 2007, 12:59 AM
I realize that this is an extremely old site. But I just stumbled on here while I was doing a school assignment. I think that people need to realize what they are really saying when they say "get rid of abortion". If your not a woman..then you have NO RIGHT to even TALK about it..yes the whole...'father has a right' thing comes into play there...but I don't really care...if you are a woman and have been in that situation then you realize what a huge deal it is to BE pregnant. if you are a 16 year old girl...that is your WHOLE LIFE. you don't get to just say, oh I don't want it any more. It is a life long commitment....so don't give me the whole 'get rid of it'...because you don't realize the situation these girls are in.
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wild20
Nov 26 2005, 02:29 AM
Xereo: You are right, we should try to put other methods of birth control besides killing babies within reach of couples. But I still am against abortion 100% for its means of destroying a life. Galahad: I don't care about emotional feelings. We're talking about moral decisions here. The world is hardly good, if at all. We think of the CONVENIENCE of abortion, more than moral right and wrong. You are right however, I previously said that all things are either black and white. But several life experiences have taught me that there are shades of gray mixed in at a few places. But I do still believe that the most important issues like abortion which involves the killing of babies. For a Christian, it should be clear in the mind that abortion is absolutely wrong. The Bible states killing as a sin and should not be done. Now, back in Bible times, God did guide people to act in war upon some people. I.e. How God led Israel in different wars. But do we get that guidance anymore? No, and therefore we know some things are wrong, such as killing. But back to abortion. I am unsure of the circumstances at which an abortion would be okay or not. For me, I always thought an abortion was wrong no matter what. But you bring up an interesting discussion point. What if the mother would die? I still think it shouldn't be considered. Why? Because there is always that chance of them both pulling through. See? Dark God: I am very, very suprised at your "opinion". You are suggesting taht we should kill people because there are too many of us now anyway? How would you feel if someone came to you and said you have to go. You don't benefit society enough to be worthy to stay on this earth? I know this is your opinion. But are you suggesting that we could go around killing everyone whenever we feel like it? Just wondering how your "grand idea" that come from your "feelings" would so benefit our life on earth. Lets just say appalled wouldn't cut it right now. As I said, I am against abortion. No one suggests how it benefits society to kill 100% innocent babies.
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LeAnn Rimes My Angel
Nov 24 2005, 10:56 PM
People put names to things that are in their point of view wrong. Wrong is only a matter of opinion for everyone. Personally, I do not see anything wrong with abortion, nor do I see anything wrong with killing another human being. The less people there are on the earth, the better the world would be in my opinion. That is how I feel.
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Galahad
Nov 24 2005, 10:54 AM
Hi all Everyone starts the arguement,that whoever wants the abortion,had to be more careful not to get pregnant.And what if a young girl,18 years or so,was raped,and got pregnant?What then?Should she be more careful?Should she stayed in her room,not leave her home?Or what if a mothers health is endangered?What if the only way to save the mother is to abort the baby?Mistake with people is that we all react emotionaly,rather than logicaly.I don't like the idea of "killing babies" any more than anyone else here.But for,let's say,"practical" reasons,abortion may be the only alternative. If for instance,mothers life was in danger,but the law prohibits her to have abortion,and mother dies,and the child dies at the birth,what then?No good came from that?Two people are dead.And one life could have been saved. Ofcourse I'm agains abortion in late months pf pregnancy,but in 1st trimester,abortion should be allowed. And ofcourse father should have a say in abortion,if he is present in mothers life.This may sound harsh and insensitive from me,but world is overpopulated.And allowing abortion in early months of pregnancy,is a way of birth control.Again,look at this from the logical point of view,not emotional.If we overpopulate the world,all natural resources will be depleted.Then what?All 6+ billion people will be famished,water will be poluted,not to mention air.And what good is that?Yes,you may say "it's not gonna happen in my lifetime,why should I care?",but then,you're not a very good person,are you?I'm not being insensitive ba*rd,I just try to look from different perspectives,before forming an oppinion about anything. Life shouldn't be observed so plainly,it's either black,or white.There are many shades of grey in between.And decisions and oppinions should be formed based on emotional AND logical response.Try to think like someone else.Keep that in mind. Cheers
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xereo
Nov 24 2005, 12:22 AM
Definitively I think that NOT to the abortion, but I also think that it is VERY important that is helped the COUPLE to avoid it. And I emphasize in the couple because it is always given the woman the responsibility of deciding, when the man also has the right and the duty. They are not all the couples, not even most, in the world who you/they have the opportunity to avoid a not wanted pregnancy. Condone, birth-control pills, patch, cirujias, etc. is not within reach of all the couples. And every time is made but necessary because the world continues growing, being developed and the poor creatures are, in short of bills who pay the consequences of a moment of pleasure. They are too many babes them that they don't end up being born, but they are many but those that are rejected by their own parents after being born or for the society. Many of them are those that become criminals with the time, drug addicts, prostitutes, or simply people that don't adapt to the society, people sick sicologicamente. And of that, we all have the responsibility a little. Let us demand laws that avoid the abortion, but also laws that put birth-control methods within reach of the couples, and mainly, let us educate the youths with our example, let us teach him the necessary thing of being overcome, of getting ready for the future, so that the day that they face the great responsibility of the paternity they can make it with security and without fear.
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