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wariorpk

Feb 26 2006, 03:18 PM

I am against abortions unless something really bad could happen if the baby is born like if the mother's life is in serious danger or if the baby would have a serious birth defect that can not be cured (like if its lungs did not work very well and had a very good chance of not even living very long after being born). Studies have shown that the baby responds to things such as music before they are born so the baby is a living thing. So if you think that it is not yet a human life it is. I think that every life is valuable no matter how small or young it is.

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Thorned Rose

Feb 26 2006, 06:55 PM

We're you meanining my post, Buffalo, or peoples any general? At any rate, I've toned down my last post.

And I agree wariorpk. Life is life and all life deserves the right to live. It is only human arrogance and superiority that dictates if something has the right to live and since when have human beings become gods?

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sasuki

May 14 2006, 08:22 PM

i'm for but only in the beginning of pregnancy...

because it's a choice like any other, that concerns specially the mother, while the embrio's heart is not beating by his own will.

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leeleelee

May 15 2006, 02:13 AM

Abortion in Australia

In 1990, 23 per cent of all known pregnancies in Australia were terminated. This makes abortion one of the most common surgical procedures in the country, with around 80,000 women undergoing abortion every year. Our current ratio of one abortion in every four pregnancies is an improvement over the estimated one in three recorded in Australia in the 1930s. Comparatively speaking, Australia's abortion rate is reasonably low by international standards. For instance, the United States of America has a 30 per cent abortion rate, while countries such as the former Yugoslavia and Bulgaria have recorded abortion rates of over 50 per cent.

Vague legislation
International research shows that women will still seek abortion, even if the procedure is illegal. Numerous studies have shown that the majority of Australians support the idea of safe and legal abortions. However, Australian abortion laws are typically vague and open to interpretation. Laws differ between States and Territories. Generally, all legislations aim to restrict access to the procedure, and give the decision on whether or not a pregnancy can be terminated to the doctor, instead of the woman. Ambiguous laws mean that public sector services are limited, particularly in rural areas, and doctors are less inclined to train in abortion techniques for fear of legal action.

Typical profile
Around one in three Australian women will undergo an abortion. Unwanted pregnancy can affect any woman of childbearing age, but studies show that some women are at greater risk than others. The typical profile of a woman seeking abortion includes:

* Aged in her 20s
* Single
* Childless
* Well educated
* Employed.

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BooZker

May 15 2006, 07:04 AM

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I don't believe that most mothers and fathers who have decided to keep the child ever regret that decision when they see this beautiful gift that God has given them.

That's very untrue. I love kids. And cant wait to have them when i am ready, but i know MANY people who can not wait till they get out if the house, or or say quote,"I wish i never had any kids" Also the God has given them dosnt make much sence. Not because i'm not religious, but if it was Gods descions to get raped lets say, is not very "godly"

Remember i'm pretty damn liberal lol. And i am pro-choice. I do not understand it though. To some point, such as like 9 months yah its just killing a baby, cause you can actual have the baby. It could live. Like 1 month though its not a baby at all. I mean its not much more then sperm. Yes yes people can go on and on about what is a baby and not, but no matter how you put it you do NEED sperm to make a baby. Therefore, sperm is the early steps of a baby. Sperm is alive if you did't know.

Oh and i want to comment on Thorned Rose's video. It was very old and i couldnt see anything since it was so small and blurry. And the referance to a secret lanquage is used all the time in operating rooms. I mean how would you like if they said,"ok we are now taking your tendons and removing them from your arm." And to JasperIK people will try to do it themselves. TRUST me i know. I didnt because im a male, but i know 2 people who have because it was illegal and could not take care of it. One of them had the baby while the other almost died. And no one can say that putting them up for adoption is any better. Once you go to a orphanage then i will listen to your opinion. I have been in one and they are not pretty. Or what about foster parents. You know how many foster parents do it for the money from the state.

In many religions this is against the rules or a sin to waist seaman. I can respect that CHOICE they made. I can not respect people who had the CHOICE to have this religion and make others follow their rules. They might not say this is untrue, but more then 90% of the reason they dont support this and things such as gay marriage is because of religion. If they have have a true moral reason such as its murder at the stage of 9 months yes i can understand, but,"It was God's descsion for her to have a baby" is non of your business.

THIS IS A FACT, although many people disagree that this it's true. You should remember that the crime rate DID go down though.

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Presented at seminars at the University, Stanford and Harvard but not yet published, “Legalized Abortion and Crime,” Chicago economist Steven Levitt’s recent study that links the legalization of abortion to the country’s falling crime rate in the 1990s, already is receiving national attention.

The study, co-authored by Levitt, Professor in Economics at Chicago, and Stanford University’s John Donohue III, suggests legalized abortion may be responsible for approximately half of the crime rate’s recent fall.

According to the researchers, the decline of the U.S. crime rate may be the result of two mechanisms related to legalized abortion. First, following the Roe vs. Wade decision in 1973, more women at risk of having children who could later engage in criminal activity––teen-agers, those living in poverty or those with unwanted pregnancies, for example––opted for abortion. And second, improved maternal, familial or fetal circumstances may have led to better environments for raising children.

Levitt and Donohue stress that their findings do not carry an endorsement of abortion. “We do not take a position on abortion, and the study was not undertaken as a study of abortion, but crime,” said Levitt. “Neither is the study about race or class. Many studies have shown that children who are born unwanted have unsatisfactory outcomes, including involvement in crime.”

As evidence for their findings, the researchers point to data regarding the timing of the crime drop: the first generation of pregnancies terminated under legalized abortion would have otherwise resulted in children who reached the peak ages for criminal activity, 18 to 24, in the early 1990s. Increases in 1970s abortions by high-risk mothers may have lowered the number of potential criminals coming of age in the 1990s.

The study also reports that states such as California and New York, which legalized abortion before 1973, experienced a drop in their crime rates before the rest of the nation. Furthermore, empirical evidence suggests states with higher abortion rates have seen more dramatic decreases in crime since 1985, and those drops in crime have been concentrated among individuals under age 25 in 1997––precisely the group possibly affected by abortion legalization in 1973.

While many explanations have been given for the dramatic decline of crime during this past decade, the authors maintain in a study abstract that “each of them has difficulty explaining the timing, large magnitude, persistence and widespread nature of the drop.” The researchers also predict crime rates will continue to fall slowly for 15 to 20 more years as the full effects of legalized abortion continue.

“A better understanding of the reasons for declines in crime helps policymakers as they formulate programs to reduce crime. For instance, with lower future crime rates, there may be less need to build prisons,” Levitt said.

The link http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/990812/abortion.shtml is and i'm sure you can find something like this on wikipedia too.

These are scientists that do not support it or do not support it. They are merely showing the effects. As you can see unwanted children DO turn out bad. What kid wouldnt. I mean if you grew up in a family that there is no mom or dad and dont even know who the dad is it has to be hard? What if your mom is just a "B" word and she told you that she dosnt love you? What if the parents are on drugs? These people are out there and they ruin the lives of children and by making it ilegal they have the kids and make the kids a living hell.

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AceGirl

May 21 2006, 04:33 PM

This is my view. I believe the government should control wether people can have an abortion or not. It is on them. I also believe people should not kill there babies. They should have a right to live. If you dont really want them put them up for adoption. Give them to someone who wants them. Dont kill them for you mistake (unless you were raped or something)

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homeloansnow

May 29 2006, 11:32 PM

Isn't it interesting that so often, the debate on abortion comes down to what GOD says. God gave us free will... the right to choose. So it would seem to me that in order to remain consistent, God must be Pro-Choice. Anything less and He becomes a tyrannical dictator, forcing His will upon us. Clearly God created man with free will, the right to choose. So can we PLEASE stop with the "GOD SAYS" garbage, and admit the truth - that WE either see it as murder or not. Stop blaming God for your interpretation of the Bible. There are ZERO references to abortion in the Bible, and anyone who says there are is twisting things WAY out of context. If, as the Bible teaches, God is all-knowing, he HAD to see the abortion issue coming. Why DIDN'T He address it in His word? He addressed such inane things as how to prepare animals as food, but not one word on abortion. HMMMM.

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truefusion

May 30 2006, 12:19 AM

Just like to say, i'm against abortion. I do believe it's a form of murder. And saying that there isn't any scriptural support that's against abortion is wrong, and said out of ignorance. Those who abort pregnancy is said to pay for their actions in hell. I believe it's better to keep the child alive, even if you've been raped. Let the rapist pay for his/her actions in hell. Don't take yourself there with them. Imagine if you had to look at the face of the rapist for all eternity. Like mentioned, there are many other alternatives instead of abortion. I've made an article on how abortion is a form of assassination: link.

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Those who support abortion were born.

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homeloansnow

May 30 2006, 12:28 AM

Okay truefusion, then POST the Scriptures that speak SPECIFICALLY about the wrongness of abortion. As I recall, you were against the death penalty as well, even though I provided Scripture that shows Judaic law SUPPORTS it. Your turn to make your case Scripturally here, as I did on the death penalty debate.

Saying that the Bible speaks out against abortion is one thing, PROVING it is what's required of you. As for my ignorance of the Word, that is something you have yet to prove. But I think my college professors might disagree, as they saw fit to issue me a Doctorate of Divinity!

Ball's in your court!~

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truefusion

May 30 2006, 01:38 AM

QUOTE(homeloansnow @ May 29 2006, 08:28 PM)

Here you go: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text...er-roberts.html

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