Milk
Jan 10 2005, 10:32 PM
I've seen a few views on abortion here and there and I think some are good points that I would like to mention. Some people are against abortion because they say it's murder. When you contort and say it's not murder, they retort and say that just because it's an egg and a sperm does not mean it's not human. I believe that is somewhat false because murder is the unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice. This which states a human killing another human. If I recall correctly, a human is a homosapien with a heart, a brain, and other necessary organs in order to function, as a human. If an egg and a sperm happen to make up those necessary parts in order to make up a human, then you'll have lost me there. Of course, this could come off as close-minded but....Other people are against abortion, claiming that if a girl was raped, she would then have the option of aborting. I take this into consideration because of the fact that if I was raped, I know I would definately not want to have a child which reminded me of a horror of my past. There is also the scenario where the girl is not ready and was, dumb enough if you need, to go and make a stupid decision. There are other confounding factors such as money, time, and the ability to give your child a healthy birth/whatever. If you didn't have any of these, the child could be put up for adoption, or be abandoned. I hope I don't sound close-minded, I'm not trying to impose my ideas on you, just trying to stir something for an intelligent argument/debate if you will. =)
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byrdhouse
Jan 11 2005, 02:42 AM
Milk, there's alot I could say on this subject and Lord knows it's been batted around a few times, but not only as a Christian but also as a human being I am totally against abortion. While I do understand the aspects of rape, making poor choices, protecting the life of the mother (which this is very rarely the case), etc., I believe that other choices after the child has been born can be made. But systems must be in place so that the mother is not venturing it alone. I don't believe that most mothers and fathers who have decided to keep the child ever regret that decision when they see this beautiful gift that God has given them. At the same time I believe that people experience a great loss that may last for years and may never recover from when they decide to abort a child. We (wife and I) have five daughters and they are alot to take on sometimes, but we receive so much more out of life because of the choice we made to have them. I know my opinions/convictions aren't popular but neither were Jesus's. Take Care, Byrdhouse 
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s243a
Jan 11 2005, 03:52 AM
Before I read further I would just like to say being for choice is different from being for abortion. The social consequences of criminalizing abortion are immense. I refrain from voting. Byrdhouse I agree with most of what you say but I will not hold my self to judge others for what must be a very difficult choice.
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PhrostByte
Jan 12 2005, 03:17 AM
Personally, I'm PRO-choice. If a woman feels she isn't ready for a baby or doesn't have the means to take care of a baby or just doesn't wish to have a baby. It's her own decision and I wouldn't think about taking away her right to choose. On the other hand though. My family, myself included, are against abortion. We don't condone or believe it is right to have an abortion, but we aren't about to put up a big stink about someone who wants to have one. If a woman is going to have unprotected sex and get pregnant, it's her own stupidity that got her into the situation in the first place. If a woman is raped or a condom breaks, I can understand the womans reluctance to keep the baby. But there are also other alternatives other than having an abortion. Adoption is the best that I could think of. Preferabley by another family member willing to take the baby. That way when the child is grown, they wont have to wonder about their family and spend half of their lives trying to track down their relatives.
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Milk
Jan 12 2005, 09:42 PM
Of course I see your points made, but adoption isn't always the best. I mean, maybe you feel it is better to be alive instead of having been forced out of the process of being born, but I would rather have lived with both my biological parents then some people that may have nothing in common with me and cannot share many of my own traits. I mean, adoption is nice and all...but...I dunno. Are there other options other than adoption and abortion?
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FaLgoR
Jan 13 2005, 07:19 PM
I'm against it... not because its an murder (I think it is) but because, if the woman have no responsability, she must to pay by her acts... its an murder at my mind. Don't let somebody to live, at my mind, is a murder. I think god is against it, and I'm too... I can't talk anymore because I didn't start an english course yet, and I don't know exactally what I want do say ^^
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serendib
Jan 13 2005, 07:46 PM
Hello Ppl Yes this is a topic that has been battered for ages now. Well i'm just going to tell you what i feel and what i see everyday. And i won't vote for this poll, as i feel, there's no use. I'm an intern, and with my deep interest for medicine I was eager to practise medicine until i came to know the daily horrors of it. Almost Nine months ago i started my circle for Obstetrics and Gyneacology. It ended 3 months back. Day after day i would stand with my Supervising doctor, and face all the situations head front. Each day, at least one abortion was planned. I have also assisited in such operations, (much to my unhappiness, as I'm a catholic). Once the case was that, the patient in question was quite serious and we had had to use live X Ray imaging to carry out the operation. During the operation, just before the critical part (that is injecting the "venom") i thought i saw the foetus jerk against the incoming needle.. as if it was trying to run away. I was dumbfounded!!! After the whole thing was over, i requested the technician to replay the X-Ray "movie", and the jerk was clearly there. And the technician tells me... "You know... they always try to give a fight.... but it's never for long." I lost words that day. That changed my life. period. And how many couples show up everyday to get advice on how to conceive.... For almost every abortion... there is a couple who can't concieve. Seems weird doesn't it.... Some are able... but they don't want. Some can't ...but THEY WANT. Why God has planned such - i simply don't know. But i'm not questioning him either. Getting over such days is hard enough.
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bureX
Jan 13 2005, 10:01 PM
If that (unwanted) baby is born, imagine what it's life would be like? He/she will have a miserable life (that life is 10 times worse if they live in an undeveloped country), and will eventually see themselves as outcasts, and sometimes, they will wish that they weren't born at all! If a woman aborts that baby, she, and her boyfriend, will return to their normal life. Everyone will be relieved (family members, friends...). The only thing that stops abortions is human moral, and (as small as it sounds) that is often quite enough. I personally think that the problem should be stopped in the source. And people are working on this indeed! Advisors are visiting schools to talk about boy/girl relationships and sex. They are usually doing a good job, but that is still (unfortunately) not enough...
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PhrostByte
Jan 14 2005, 12:40 AM
QUOTE (FaLgoR @ Jan 13 2005, 01:19 PM) I'm against it... not because its an murder (I think it is) but because, if the woman have no responsability, she must to pay by her acts... its an murder at my mind. Don't let somebody to live, at my mind, is a murder. I think god is against it, and I'm too... I can't talk anymore because I didn't start an english course yet, and I don't know exactally what I want do say ^^ Take a moment and think about what you just wrote. Say, for instance, that abortion was made to be illegal and all mothers were forced to live with the mistakes and bad judgements they've made. How do you think that child would feel believing themselves to be a mistake. Not to mention, the mother and/or father may take it out on the child itself for having to have the baby. That would become a living nightmare for that poor child. I wouldn't wish that sort of life on my worst of enemies. As for the adoption issue. I feel that it would be better to have the baby and put it up for adoption so that some loving couple, who may not be able to have their own child, may partake in the love of a child. As I said, it would be better to have an extended family member adopt the child, but if it's not possible, there are many couples in the world willing and capable of providing a loving environment for a child in need. If the adoption was introduced by the birth parents of the child in question. There is no law in this country that could deny the adoption, even to a gay couple or a single parent if the childs birth parents wished that specific person or persons to care for their child. In my mind this would be a far better choice than abortion. But I wouldn't judge someone for having an abortion. Just because I don't believe it is right, doesn't make it wrong. PhrostByte
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Milk
Jan 14 2005, 09:25 PM
There is one problem I see. I'm not bashing religion or trying to tell you otherwise, but it seems many of you stick to your religion with God and everything and believe in that specific religion, which may or may not alter your thoughts. Of course, your beliefs are yours whether you have a religion or not, but sometimes it seems as if the church (or whatever) is placing their morals into you? I understand this may not always be the case, but it just seems like it from the way I'm reading some of these posts. I know many christians/catholics that have their own views and I respect them, I just hope that what the posters in this topic are basing their thoughts on what they think as an individual, because that's always better than what someone else tells you to think =) Though it seems as if everyone here is their own individual so far, I just take it differently when you mention your religion and your deities etc.
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iGuest
Nov 14 2009, 11:58 PM
For or Against Abortion?
Abortion : For Or Against Abortion?
I do not believe in abortion, for the following reasons:
There are really three people involved here. The mother, the father and the child. If the mother was raped, or simply finds it inconvenient to have a child, that is not the child's fault. That child has a right to life. I think it is the mother's responsibility to have the child; then she may give it up for adoption. Or give it to the father, if he wants it and is responsible enough to properly raise a child.
And, don't go splitting hairs with the argument of 'when' life starts. The fact is, once the sperm is released, if nothing is done to interfere with the normal course of events, a child will result.
It behoves the adults, therefore, to exercise due care and attention, and to take responsibility for their action; not make an innocent third party pay.
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iGuest
Nov 3 2009, 02:11 AM
..I'm against in abortion!.. Damn!.. I'm pro-life..
..Its not because its a mortal sins!. But because this is the way that you give a new life.. Some people thats deliver a new life is once in a blue moon for them.. And absolutely thats right!,,. And even you don't like to have a baby and your not yet ready for the new life,, thats your obligation to face on what you did.. Although there is a case that you raped.. And then thats not the reason that you abort the baby or said fetus.. ,coz their is some other way that you can make in your baby after you deliver on it.. You can adopt, or find an foster parents for them.. Theirs a couple whos willing to adopt for unwanted child or baby.. Then thats your option,for not aborting baby.. Ryt?
..Hehe.. I hope it make sense.. Ahaha..
..But.. Thats my opinion as a pro-life!,, Gods speed!.
..Ehm_mah18
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iGuest
Nov 2 2009, 10:51 PM
Abortion
Abortion : For Or Against Abortion?
If you look at Abortion, Its just a word. If you look at the Act, its just an act. Abortion is neither Right nor Wrong if the world was without religion or civility.
But, if I had to decide if Abortion is right or wrong in todays day in age I would have to say yes and no. First off when do you consider that child to be human? Conception of when all body part function to survive outside the womb.
I believe abortion to be wrong when I deals with women making dumb decisions. If Abortion is allowed like it is today with only few restrictions how does that make women's role in the world look. (Poor at making right decisions and that in turn lowers their status) I know when I hear of someone I know having an abortion I lose a little respect for that person.
But, If a women is raped and had no decision to have a child then sure have an abortion.
I am a logical thinker and does it make sense to me that a women aborts a life because of her bad decisions? No, I does not. Women need to be smart with sex. In reality sexual intercourse is the process for conception and by purposely blocking it is wrong.
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iGuest
Sep 12 2009, 07:17 AM
hey everyone, been reading the debate youve got going on here.
Personally I believe abortion to be a controversial issue, one decision is not going to be fair for both sides. But in the circumstance when the baby is not wanted, I believe it is wrong. Todays society defines death as when the persons heart stops beating.
Therefore, doesn't life begin when the heart begins beating?
This makes abortions done after the heart has begun to beat are murder. But if the mother will be injured or killed, this is another issue altogether. Yes, it is killing a child, but in todays society the mothers life is more valued. I don't like the way that sounds, but that is the way it is today.
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iGuest
Apr 11 2009, 01:29 AM
abortion
Abortion : For Or Against Abortion?
I think that the word abortion is something that really makes a person think twice before having sex. I am pretty young and I even know that in the back of my mind I know that thousands of babies are dieng everyday. It reallly is heart wrenching.My reason for commenting today is because I just got off the site goolge and I was looking at photos and short articles on abortion and I litereally was sick.Do you know some ways they kill the preciouse babies? I read that they piosin the baby then the mother delievers a dead baby a little after or they basically vaccum the baby out or they send a knife up the path and cutt it into pieces. I don't have any respect for the people that willingly let so called docters kill a living breathing child that has my owm flesh and blood before me ...Its murder. You shouldnt kill gods creations...Its wrong...Humans shouldnt kill others humans...And yes even unborn babies are humans for if we create them why would we spend money killing them? I know God would be against abortions that arent 100% needed. I know this because he is the one that put them there in the first place.Adoption has its ups and downs but it will always be a better option then abortion. Now tell me one thing have you ever seen a dead baby ? or better yet have you ever been the reason that,that baby had died an unforgiving death?
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