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So, I've read what everyone has written and thought I would add this. It really comes down to what your needs are. If you are one that does a lot of midi songs, then I personally would go for logic. They have been in the midi game for a many years and are really good at it. If you are maily recording live instruments then I would go with Pro Tools. They are amazing for tracking and editing audio tracks. Personally, I started out with Pro Tools le some 6 years ago ...
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Pro Tools Or Logic 8?

saitunes
Here is the question, Which is better Apple logic or digidesign protools? That is the question.

***Just to clarify, as bluechip noted I didn't explain what they both do****
Logic and Protools are pro-level recording software, if you thought that Audacity was good, you aint seen nothing yet.
Logic Screenshot 1600x1200 http://www.tweakheadz.com/images/Logic-studio.jpg
Protools screenshot 1024 x 768 (an old one, but its still protools) http://aes.harmony-central.com/113AES/Cont...ols-6-large.jpg

Both enable you to multitrack record, put effects on each (such as compression, reverb, delay etc), its pro level recording software, both are big companies, Apple make computers, digidesign make digital audio hardware (audio interfaces for computers, digital mixing consoles) So they're both pretty big companies.
***Hopefully that clarified that for you bluechip and anyone else who was confused***

Logic Pros:
Cheap
Doesn't require any additional hardware to use (a decent audio interface is reccomended)
No Dongle
Bucketloads of free plug-ins and effects (none of which require activation or registration)
such awesome EXS (sampler) instruments
Can handle midi better than protools
Anything pro tools can do, it can do.

Protools Pros:
Everyone uses it (industry standard)
LE comes with some audio interfaces (which ironically it needs to run)
Both Win & Mac compatible
can use control surfaces

Logic Cons
metering freezes when going into a menu (add plugins etc)
Logic 8 (full install) Requires 50+ gig for all samples and libraries but can be installed on an external HD

Pro tools cons
Needs digidesign hardware to run (cannot mix on the go)
plugins require activation, and when running a volume license is a pain to manage
The Metering is pre-fader.
more steps to set up a 'reverb bus'
Not as simple and easy to use as logic

If anyone has anything they'd like to add, They're more than welcome to. Especially cons for logic, i cant think of any more

 

 

 


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bluechip
Just what are you talking about. Which tools are these what do they do. Is everyone supossed to know things like this coz I'm totally lost. Why are you looking for cons for Logic? U think it is a great product and I'm sure eeryone will agree with u especially if Logic is made by the smaller company of the two. Just like Microsoft and anything else

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alex7h3pr0gr4m3r
Well you already mentioned all of the pros and cons I was going to bring up. It's really up to you and up to the system you are hoping to run it on. As you mentioned pro tools is the industry standard and if you want to do this for your future career I would recommend that just so you have the experience with it. The only con I can think of that you left out for pro tools would be its support on mac. Most of the time when apple releases a new OS, pro tools doesn't run too well on it, and digidesign rushes to try and fix it. So if you always want to be up to the newest version of apple's operating systems I would recommend Logic, otherwise they are both great software. It is just up to you and which one you feel more comfortable with.

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iGuest-Iain Watson
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Pro Tools Or Logic 8?

I'm looking to start making some tunes, and I'm lost with all of the programmes out ther, which one is the best for beginners??

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iGuest-Big Beast
i really think logic is better than protools
Pro Tools Or Logic 8?

Ok,I must say that Pro Tools is a great DAW enviornment when working with multi-tracks,however I have outputed stuff str8 outa P.T. And its just not the same as Logic 8.Logic has a superior sound quality;it's cleaner and it reproduces what you put in and with the right amount of tweaking can sound very BIG.It gives you tools which you would have to register and ilok the **** out of just 2 get the sound you want.Not to mention the thousands of dollars you would have 2 spend 2 get them.Logic gives 50 gigs of that good ****.Protools is just 2 ****ing expensive.There are certain tools which have the edge over Logic 8 like vocalign.Hearing what T-pain did with his mixes in Logic made me wanna **** with Logic like right away.

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iGuest-twangy mermaid
beginners luck
Pro Tools Or Logic 8?

Replying to iGuest

What kind of tunes do you want to make?

Are you using a mac or pc?

If your using a mac garageband is really easy to use and super fun.

If you like your dance and want some good quick results you could try FL - also really easy to use so I am told and some sweet vocal effects on it too.

Hope this helps

:-)


-reply by twangy mermaid

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(G)Elliot
pro tools con
Pro Tools Or Logic 8?

Another Con for Pro-tools unfortunately:

bounces to disk in real time converts in real time. 

other programs, for example, garageband, or logic or sonar etc.. They do not.

this can save you so much time when you're trying to work on a project or transport it or whatever. I have found that to be rather annoying. But it's alright I guess because I like pro-tools.

-reply by Elliot

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(G)Lensekraft 8

 Naw I'm just kidding, unless you got a tape machine then ill buy it from you. Anyways, Logic is the **** for production/ in-the-box mixing. Pro tools is the **** for tracking. They should **** and have a baby. Cons of logic- when you punch in it freezes for a sec. Cons of pro tools, is that its pro-tools (madd $$$ or cheap converters, take your pick).

Apple offers 1 year memberships for $99. You go in once a week for an hour and learn logic face to face with an expert.

Pro tools offers certifications. They have different rankings. Usually the classes start out at roughly $1000 but to completely learn pro tools (and the icon board) go get up to $10,000

Of course you could learn it all your self for free, over a longer period of time.  

-reply by Lensekraft 8

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(G)Melissa
What PC recording program would best suit my needs?
Pro Tools Or Logic 8?

I've used logic recording software in the past, but now that apple bought out the program, it is no longer available on PC.  I really likes the user friendly MIDI portion of the program, because it had very high zooming capabilities.  I just bought a new PC, and I'm looking for a program with similar capabilities that is as user friendly as Garage Band or Logic Express, the older version of logic.  What programs are available that would most likely suit my needs?

-question by Melissa

 


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(G)melissa
What PC recording program would best suit my needs?
Pro Tools Or Logic 8?

I've used logic recording software in the past, but now that apple bought out the program, it is no longer available on PC.  I really likes the user friendly MIDI portion of the program, because it had very high zooming capabilities.  I just bought a new PC, and would like to purchase a similar program that is as user friendly as Garage Band or Logic Express, the old version of logic. Which programs would most likely suit my needs?

-reply by melissa

 


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iGuest

So, I've read what everyone has written and thought I would add this.

It really comes down to what your needs are. If you are one that does a lot of midi songs, then I personally would go for logic. They have been in the midi game for a many years and are really good at it. If you are maily recording live instruments then I would go with Pro Tools. They are amazing for tracking and editing audio tracks.

Personally, I started out with Pro Tools le some 6 years ago with recording my acoustic songs and vocals. Just recently I have decided to get into Logic for their multitude of plugs and the great midi capabilities. I really like that they are both completely user friendly and are great for different things. I have been doing commercials and music for indi films for the last 2 years and have really found great things from both DAW's.

I don't think there is a need to knock either one. I think they are both great and they work great together. I record and edit my audio tracks in Pro Tools and then dump them into Logic and do the rest there. The plugs in logic are good and the free down loadable plugs are great as well.

So if you have the means ($1250.00 Canadian Dollars), I'd recommend both of them. But if you don't, then you have to look at what your needs are and choose from there.

Cheers.

PS: the benefit of having bought pro tools first, is that you are able to use the Pro Tools interface with Logic. ;)


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iGuest

As a MIDI programmer when it was actually called, DCB, one thing I can tell you and that is, if live and breathe MIDI prgraming, than from what I have come to learn, MIDI is somthing that Pro Tools has not been big on in the past.

 With  that said, dedicated MIDI programs who help to pioneer MIDI both hardware as well as software knew what a MIDI programmer really needed. Companies like Mark of The Unicorn, Cake Walk, Cuebase were immersed in the development of MIDI techology. With that said here is what you must consider before deciding of a program of any kind.

(1) Are you heavily involved in MIDI gear?

(2) Do you play and write most of your musical instruments on a keyboard?

(3) Do you hear music in your head that is beyond your ability to play live?

If your answer is "yes" to just one of these, than you require a MIDI based program that also offers real audio tracks and not the other way around.

Today most programs offer decent to excellent audio recording capabilities with MIDI as an after thought. However Logic 8 by Apple is MIDI intensive and by no means is MIDI an after thought with Logic 8.

FYI. Way back in the mid 1980s, Apple was one of the very first to pioneer MIDI which was actually called DCB back then. Apple from that day forward continued to recognise the importance of interfacing digital musical instruments and with such being the case, Apple's Logic Studio 8 is their continued ongoing effort to meet the demands of the most demanding musical composer.

If money is no object and MIDI is not a big deal to you, than Pro Tools is your animal. After all, Pro Tools is the top choice in major recording studios for real time recording. Remember that MIDI programming your songs is really about personal time, as MIDI programing is truly time intensive.

Since professional recording studio time costs mega bucks per each hour,  pro studios in general are not a conducive place to MIDI program songs from scratch... That is... Unless you own the studio like I do.

It's for this very reason why Pro Tools did not focus on MIDI Programing as a primary feature of their software and hardware. However Pro Toolsfrom from what I have read is now starting to take MIDI a lot more serious.

Thus you do not want Pro Tools if you lean on MIDI to put your music scores together. Don't get me wrong... As I am sure that Pro Tools does a decent job in regards to MIDI. Just that there are a lot of very important MIDI programing features that Pro Tools can overlook that you will sooner or later wish you had, some of which I have outlined below. Simply said, Pro Tools strength is not MIDI.

List of some must haves for MIDI musicians seeking MIDI software.

(1) Horizontal MIDI zoom, ESPECIALLY vertical MIDI zoom. (this is a big one!)

(2) Drop down menu of a wealth of MIDI program options when right clicking on individual MIDI note in the MIDI edit window. Example: Attack, Sustain, Retain, Decay, After Touch, Patch, Pitch Bender, etc. You need all of these options to make the MIDI instrument of choice sound authentic.

(3) Drag mouse cursor over MIDI notes by hand to hear notes in that given window. This is huge! If pro Tools does not allow for this, than Pro Tools is a bust for the hard core MIDI programer.

(4) 256 Assignable MIDI tracks. As you know, MIDI only goes up to 16 channels/tracks. After that you must use letters to assign more MIDI tracks. EXAMPLE: MIDI A1-16,  MIDI B1-16, MIDI C1-16, MIDI D1-16, MIDI E1-16, etc. Thus if you have lots of MIDI gear like I do, than 16 tracks will not work for you. If you want to quick and easy mixing of percussion tracks, you can easily use 8 to 12 MIDI tracks just for percussion alone!

The lesson learned here is simple. If you use MIDI programing as the foundation to putting your music togther like I do, than you want a MIDI based program that also offers real audio tracks side by side.

Keep in mind that real audio tracks put a HUGE demand on computer speed, where as MIDI does not. So get the most powerful computer money can buy. (Apple is the only way to go when it comes to audio and video.) After all, Apple computers have been used year after year for the making and mastering the biggest block busters of all time and Apple computers are still Hollywoods choice for the motion picture industry.

Pro Tools is more about audio recording, rather than MIDI recording. If you plan on working with your projects in major studios, than you have no choice but to buy Pro Tools, however I would not recommend Pro Tools LE as it's a stripped down version of Pro Tools full version. No doubt the MIDI side of Pro Tools LE will be stripped down as well and that is a big No-NO for MIDI based musicians.

For more information you will find me via YouTube user, LogicStudioMadness.

Best wish on your next MIDI score!

Cheers,

Midiman


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networker
As far as recording software goes, I use Krystal software and Audacity on
a windows xp operating system. All my recording is done 'live' and I don't use samples at all.
As far as editing and vst effects go, Krystal and Audacity are both quite functional.
Of course I've heard of pro tools, but you can't argue with the price of
the software I'm using.

As far as the mac goes, I've heard some amazing recordings done using
garageband, which the mac comes with.

I've learned, never trust an audio freak for what sounds good
fidelity wise. Instead,
ask the average person who just likes listening to music
rather than deciphering audio signals.

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iGuest
actually,
Pro Tools Or Logic 8?

Actually, Logic also requires the purchase of hardware... The purchase of a mac.  A friggen big purchase.

I paid $400 for my m-audio profire 610 interface and it runs pro tools m-powered.  Device is actually rather high qual and can record at 192hz, double what most others can do--- assuming you have software that can go that high.

So far I'm very happy with Pro Tools 8 M-powered.  Only 250 bux, half the price of Logic.  Of course, pro tools 8 has the new midi edit capabilities, which was the only thing it wasn't previously strong in.

The virtual instrument sounds, effect and filter sounds, and recording quality in pro tools are second to none for a DAW, which is why it is the industry standard.  Logic might be its equal in that regard, but not greater.  At this level, it really depends on the quality of work you put into it.  The pro tools virtual instruments have mostly flawless sound, I can say that.

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iGuest
Pro Tools or Logic 8
Pro Tools Or Logic 8?

I Use pro tools for my needs. Logic is a great program and has many capabilities, and pro tools is also a great program and many capabilities. I personally think that if you are an artist and do nothing but recording over pre-made tracks then pro tools is a great program. Logic,garage band, cool edit pro, FL are great for instrument/midi tracks and things of that nature. Cubase is almost up there with the big boys with just a little more tweaks. Many would choose cubase over both pro tools and Logic simply because they know how to work with it. ANY program that you have you MUST DO YOUR HOMEWORK, there are programs out there that run $100.00 and people come out with radio quality music. If you do your homework on the program that you are working with you will learn to know that you can really get about the same quality with MANY programs than the guy next door with Pro Tools HD.

Pro Tools: Is what many in the industry use,NOT ALL but many, it can be a bit pricey but "You pay for what you get!"it has many effects for mixing and a rough mastering, Reason I say rough is because you really CANT master unless you have all the right equipment and that is way up the price charts!!

I love pro tools and regardless of what anyone says or has said it depends on how much you are willing to learn about it to get the quality you want.

SO DO YOUR HOMEWORK FOR EITHER Gift Colyer 

I have spent over $23,000.00 on equipment and software and I am talking with record labels right now. It all depends on how dedicated you are with it really.

-reply by Gift Colyer

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