iancovenant
Jul 21 2006, 03:37 AM
| | I have read all the tutorials, listened to countless advice about creating a webpage, tried to understand the very difficult alien language of HTML, tried everything for twenty-four hours and still I cannot make a webpage. I figure creating a real webpage is one of the hardest of things to do, this is why so many people go to the atrocious made easy myspace.com or pay other people to make a website for them. Seriously speaking, not to criticize anyone, but I find making a website the most frustating task I have ever had to undertake. I feel like I need to take up a one to two year course just to make a webpage. When I heard about how Trap17 was the best webhost, I was astonished, they sure do have the best resources, but for a noob like me using those resources to create anything has become mission impossible. |
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DarkPsycho
Jul 21 2006, 03:56 AM
why don't u get a free template instead of making your own, for now altleast. that'll give u some time to learn HTML, I recommend w3schools.com
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BooZker
Jul 21 2006, 04:05 AM
I can help. I just need to know how much you know. I learned just from reading. I never really used the internet for help. I am still learning everyday, but what do you need help with? PM me and i can help get you at least started.
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Mjay06
Jul 21 2006, 06:08 AM
Open your cpanel, go to pre-installed scripts, then Fantastico & install Xoops. I recommend this particular script as from experience it is the easiest to navigate/setup. If you are just playing around for now, I recommend you set up a sub domain (cpanel/site management tools/sub domains), & install it there. Xoops works on a 'modules' system, where you can install pre-coded sections of website (forums/arcades etc), & quickly get a working website. You can find a huge selection at www.xoops.org/modules. They are extremely simple to install - you just ftp them to public_html/ your site/modules, & activate them from the Xoops administration menu. I found this to be an easy way of learning the basics of ftp use, & will give you a good lesson in navigating the cpanel file manager. Once you have mastered the basics of using the cpanel, you will find it much easier to upload & get your own coded webpages online.
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beeseven
Jul 21 2006, 06:47 AM
I'm sorry to say this, but if creating a webpage and learning HTML are so hard for you, you might want to look into skills that don't involve computers...
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rvalkass
Jul 21 2006, 07:18 AM
I managed to sort of self teach myself HTML, with no books or online tutorials apart from looking things up in W3Schools when I was first learning. No offence or anything, but if you are a slow learner, your best option would be to get a WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get) editor. If you have Microsoft Office then you probably have FrontPage which is a WYSIWYG editor, or you could look through the Freebies section of this forum and on the Internet for one. I wouldn't advise going and buying a copy of Dreamweaver at this stage. Then start with the basics. These programs work a lot like word processing software, so go ahead and type some text. Then switch to the Code or HTML view of the program and look at how it has been done. Probably something like this: CODE <p> Some random text. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet... </p>
Go back to the Design or WYSIWYG view and try to change the font on your text, then look at the Code and see what has happened. Try changing size, colour, bold, italic, underline etc. Take it one step at a time, and take notes if you want. When you work out that, for example, to make something bold you do this: CODE <b>Bold</b> Not bold. You can also do this: <strong>Bold</strong> Not bold. They are exactly the same.
You could note that down in a format you understand, on cue cards or something. Then you have your own reference of what you think is useful, organized in a way you understand. Then move on to more difficult things such as trying to make some text a link, or inserting an image. Tables are probably one of the hardest things you will come across, and your best bet if you ever need tables in a page would be to use your WYSIWYG editor in Design mode to draw the tables as this simplifies the whole process. These are some links to freeware WYSIWYG editors, but I have not tried any of them, so they may not be to your taste. They all do pretty much the same thing, so it's a matter of what looks best for you and fits how you want to work. There's no harm in downloading a load, seeing which you like best and removing the rest. WYSIWYG Web BuilderList from DirFileNvu WYSIWYG EditorIf you need any help with HTML then feel free to PM me, email me or get me on MSN Messenger.
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BooZker
Jul 21 2006, 07:44 AM
Yah you could use WYSIWYG editors, but in the long run they will slow you down. You won't have as much control as with let's say notepad or dreamweaver. I suggest just making simple web pages such as a webpage with a title a heading and some text and links until you get the hang of basic HTML.
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mbacarra
Jul 21 2006, 08:15 AM
well, it usually depends on the contents that you're making. using html isn't that difficult. actually it's the most basic stuff you need in creating a website. it's like A-B-C. i bet a 10 year old can make his own website on his own. actually, when i came to this forum, i found some members who already have created some cool websites, and they're just 12 or 14? i mean i've learned html when i was 15 and created a php-based webpage/blog just last year, and i'm already in my college years. really, it's just easy. if understanding a basic stuff is difficult for you, then don't do it. if it's frustrating for you to just even try, then don't. we have a quote here that says, "if you really want to do something, the motivation to do it will make you look for ways to accomplish it no matter what. excuses are only made by those who don't want to lift a finger". and that's the reason why they made those personal webpage stuff like friendster or myspace, to make life easier to people who don't have the technical know-how, or at least to those who complain that it's difficult to learn.
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Dagoth Nereviar
Jul 21 2006, 09:41 AM
Are you any good at photoshop, or imageready? Because that's what I used to make the layout of my website (Click sig below) and then used imageready to "splice" (Cut it up, basically) and it made all the code for the layout, I just then put in the links/text, and it's done  If you want more info/tutorials, PM me and i'll be glad to help  And if you're no good at photoshop, or don't have it, then I guess this was a pointless post
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fffanatics
Jul 21 2006, 03:02 PM
My advice is to go out and buy a book on html. I got mine like 5 years ago for $19.99 at the local bookstore and just started reading the chapters and after each one i used the new material on my website. This way, i didnt just read how to do it but i learned how to actually implement it and as i got farther in the book, i didnt have to use as many of the references on how to do things. Plus, using this forum, you can start a webpage and then if you dont know how to do something or it is showing up wrong and you dont know what is wrong with it, just post the code in code tags in a new topic describing the problem and one of the many of us will help you out with it. Atleast you are learning how to do it yourself.
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fermin25
Oct 1 2009, 10:32 AM
Well maybe yeah because if you use PHP you will have to learn all the code and believe itīs very difficult if you donīt experience with another programation code. But if you want a simple HTML site itīs not very difficult and with some programs like Macromedia Dreamweaver or WYSIWYG Web Builder soon you will create your website and start to generate visitors. Another thing that you can do is buy a PHP script pre-designed and customize it with your information or content. I will explain you a little better... If you for example want to open and create a blog maybe programming it will take you a lot of time, but you can buy or in this case free download a PHP script like wordpress install it in your hosting account and start to post and get visitors...This way is more simple than program an entire PHP blog script. Or maybe you can open a blog in Blogger or Wordpress and add it a Domain name .com, .net, .org. You can get a domain name with Xisto and Trap17. For that you have to post and earn a least $10.00 MyCent and change them for a domain name. The domain name you like! Well I hope I can help you with this information. Donīt be afraid and create your website ok.
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phpphp
Sep 28 2009, 07:55 PM
No, rather its very easy now! There was a time when people have to code for single pages, now dynamic website have made it very easy to build heavy sites in less duration. CMS system like joomla have made it very easy to make a dynamic site very easily. just you need to add your required portion and just upload it without knowing whats really going on..and how its made. but if you have to code that yourself... can take months
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minimcmonkey
Aug 28 2009, 11:01 PM
Of course the correct responce to this depends on what you mean by a "real" website. Im assuming you mean making it in bare HTML. Firstly, you will find very few popular websites are made with only HTML - the language is totally static, and doesnt even allow for basic mathematic functions. If you want to make an impressive website I would recommend learning HTML, CSS and javascript. Anything which involves storing, or processing user input, or logging in etc, will require a server-side language like PHP, ASP.net or CGI. Generally paired with a database language like mySQL. Anyway, learning HTML. HTML is very easy once you get use to it. At first you may have trouble understanding what all the tags are for. But its gets very easy, I have been making websites for about 6 years now, and can create a basic text based page in seconds. I started learning using w3schools.com Which is a very useful site, especially as a reference. But I have always found that a book will be a lot more use. I bought a book to learn HTML, and it taught me a great deadl. I now have a huge pile of books which I have used for learning nearly every programming or web language I know. Once you have made a few sites you get use to everything. A big part of learning HTML is understanding what each tag is for, how to use its attributes, and memorising the important ones (eventually you will know all of them!) Another thing to understand, is that HTML is basically useless without other languages. It just tells the browser what to put on the page. It has trouble telling it where to put it without CSS. Hope this helps somewhat!
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FruitRocks
Aug 22 2009, 07:26 PM
QUOTE (Variablez @ Dec 8 2008, 12:39 PM)  Use Microsoft Office Frontpage, im sure you can get it cheap induvisually, it helps with HTML and Visual, its really cool then just click Veiw HTML and it shows the HTML code for the site you made! Simple! That is what I actually started out with when I used to run my websites on Apache Local Server. If you want a more up-to date version of FrontPage, I would suggest going and downloading Microsoft Sharepoint Designer. They also have a full standalone tutorial that you can download. SharePoint Designer: http://www.microsoft.com/DOWNLOADS/details...;displaylang=enA great book that has helped me a lot is called: Luara Lemay's Teach Yourself Web Publishing with HTML 3.2 in 14 Days. The book itself was made in 1996 (meaning the software included may be a little outdated, but because it is open source I'm sure that you will be able to find a newer version of it somewhere), so it is kinda old, but that is okay because all of the basics of HTML are there (it really hasn't changed that much). Some of the basics it teaches you are HTML tags (like <bold> or <p>). It also covers more advanced stuff like CGI scripts, SSL Encryption, and website secruity. The cheapest FrontPage 2003 is still VERY expensive for a single piece of software, so I would suggest just getting SharePoint (or even Microsoft Web Developer Express Edition, which is FREE, but kinda hard to get a hang of. they have tuts on there website about it). Web Developer Express Edition: microsoft.com/express FrontPage 2003 Link (its about $200) http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?c=2...D=50726&P=F
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Nameless_
Aug 10 2009, 11:16 AM
QUOTE (kasperooney @ Jun 20 2009, 03:18 PM)  If the user's intention is to learn something new by creating the website then it is suggested that he does all the hard work himself instead of depending on ready-made solutions like these! And if the intention is to just put a site up then CMS is the answer.
Learning to do everything on his own would certainly benefit the user sometime in the future so this is recommended more, isn't it? This is exactly what I want to do... you just accurately fully summed up my intentions! I am currently learning coding and all that though, I've borrowed a lot of books from the library, and it is easier to learn everything yourself than get someone else's work because it will then be easier to edit it and change it to what you want. QUOTE (Idolon @ Jun 23 2009, 07:19 AM)  For some (well, at least for me) it is much easier to learn by studying other's code. Rather than starting from scratch, find an existing web page similar to you want to do and try to figure out what each part of the code does. You can start with a ready-made CMS like Wordpress, look at existing themes or plugins, and then modify them as you learn how they work.
You may also want to pick up a development tool such as NetBeans or Aptana Studio that provides hints as to what HTML tags do and what attributes they can have. It's much easier than switching back and forth between your HTML code and a cheat sheet. Yes, I will be doing that first too... I have a few website designs on my mind from other people's website, but sadly they have sold the domain and moved on to somewhere else where I don't know... So I will have to start from scratch anyway. I've also downloaded Aptana Studio, but everything looks so complicated that I don't know where to start. There are so many functions and everything, I really don't know what do to. Also, Aptana Studio isn't a WYSIWYG editor, meaning I have to do all the coding by myself... This might be good for me in the long term where I learn how to code everything and all that, but it won't be good for me in the short term and that will mean I will have to take longer to learnign coding and everything before I get the results that I want.
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