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QUOTE(True2Earn @ Jun 10 2006, 03:38 AM) Since you mentioned it, mudmall.com was registered back in October 2003. When you put your site live, were you doing this well after 11 days?I don't know as I wasn't that concerned about it. But I do know that I didn't make wild claims that can't be substantiated about how good it was. I mean, "10 Backlinks Obtained To My Websi... read more.
I just conducted another experiment with one of my new domains that is still less than a week old. By executing a simple system I was able to quickly obtain 10 backlinks between a PageRank 3 and a PageRank 5 all pointing to my website. I was able to get another dozen backlinks that were a PageRank 2. Tomorrow, I will start again but this time I will be able to get about a hundred or more backlinks pointing to my website. And all of these backlinks are one way, from the high PR pages linking to mine. At this rate, I will be able to drive targeted traffic to my website and get a high ranking in the search engines. Oh, and part of my experiment is to not submit my site to the search engines. I am going to see how long it will take to get listed naturally instead of forcing it down their throats. If my experiments are successful, maybe I have a system that will make a lot of money. Who know? I will post back to this thread after I obtain my results tomorrow.
Oh, and I will not reveal any of my secrets yet so there isn't any need in asking. But I will say that, over time, I'm revealing my strategy at Niche List. If you want to know exactly what I am doing you'll just have to follow at that website.
And backlinks are sites that link to you, and the higher pagerank they are, the higher your pagerank will be (Pagerank is given by Google).
I beleve the correct URL is http://www.*editted*.com instead of http://www.*editted*.com, and if that is the correct site i see that you are using Googles Adsence program. If you have used this program on the site, and are planning to only test with backlinks, your plan has already failed. Google Adsence, when put on ANY page will be indexed in there sandbox and probably get out of it alot faster then you think. The reason is that google's ad is content based. If you would like to not have google know about your site for any other reason besides the backlinks i would suggest not using Google Adsence. Good Luck with your experiment!!!, Illdevilinc
I beleve the correct URL is *editted* instead of *editted*, and if that is the correct site i see that you are using Googles Adsence program. If you have used this program on the site, and are planning to only test with backlinks, your plan has already failed. Google Adsence, when put on ANY page will be indexed in there sandbox and probably get out of it alot faster then you think. The reason is that google's ad is content based. If you would like to not have google know about your site for any other reason besides the backlinks i would suggest not using Google Adsence. Good Luck with your experiment!!!, Illdevilinc
google doesn't index through adsense. google has already been forthcoming about this, BUT just posting his link on trap will get him indexed. but i think his point was to just not submit his site to any search engines. back links and posts don't count in submitting ones site.
all you need to creat targetted back links is to just use a program like ibp or arelis or some other program that does all the work for you including filling in most of the form to create the targetted backlink
It looks like I had a typo in the link, it is NicheList.info and not .com. I had an 'E' where there shouldn't been one. And I wish I could edit those .com links out as that sex site don't need any free backlinks from a place as classy as Trap17. And even though I do have both IBP8 and Arelis I am not going to use them at all in this experiment. And I'm not going to submit it to any search engines or directories. Also, I have noticed from my logs that the site was crawled yesterday by Googlebot but it's not indexed yet.
Yes, I do have Adsense on the website but it was just added today. In the beginning, it wasn't there. Since I've noticed it is actually getting hits already I might as well monetize it, just in case.
EDIT: Oh, I have also found that it is better to have as few links leading out from your webpages as you can get by with. What you're looking for is a lot of one-way links from other "authorative" websites with high pageranks linking to you. That gives you credibility, thus placing you higher on the Google charts. The more outbound links you have on your own pages, the more your own PR tends to "leak" or "bleed" out to the page you are linked to.
Everything seems to be progressing pretty good. It is just about noon here and already I have been able to acquire about 50 more backlinks in the range of PR3 to PR5 including a few PR6's. Not bad for a few hours of work. And the best part is they are all linking to me without me needing to link to them. Going to have to go to all my sites and update them since that's what Google really likes.
As of right now I am not sure if I am going to reveal all of my secrets, especially the most powerful ones. If too many people find out, it may not be as effective and there are people who would abuse it. It's what happened to Blog and Ping when it used to be so effective. But the search engines know all about it and you can get yourself in a bind using it.
My next post later today at Niche List will be revealing more information that you will find valuable. I'm not sure if I'm going to add to it every day or every couple of days. I'll just have to wait and see.
It looks like I had a typo in the link, it is NicheList.info and not .com. I had an 'E' where there shouldn't been one. And I wish I could edit those .com links out as that sex site don't need any free backlinks from a place as classy as Trap17. And even though I do have both IBP8 and Arelis I am not going to use them at all in this experiment. And I'm not going to submit it to any search engines or directories. Also, I have noticed from my logs that the site was crawled yesterday by Googlebot but it's not indexed yet.
Yes, I do have Adsense on the website but it was just added today. In the beginning, it wasn't there. Since I've noticed it is actually getting hits already I might as well monetize it, just in case.
EDIT: Oh, I have also found that it is better to have as few links leading out from your webpages as you can get by with. What you're looking for is a lot of one-way links from other "authorative" websites with high pageranks linking to you. That gives you credibility, thus placing you higher on the Google charts. The more outbound links you have on your own pages, the more your own PR tends to "leak" or "bleed" out to the page you are linked to.
don't believe everything you read. i read that site on google's page rank. i think that googles page rank system is all in the #'s. i don't feel your pr leaks if you have outbound links if you adjust everything to the correct ratios and only google and god knows the truth in was is optimal
i do agree that submitting your site to some search engines can actually hurt your rankings because they would rather find you on the net AND WILL if you have quality content that can be supported with inbound links, i don't agree that that is for all search engines and DIRECTORIES. that's just obvious with the directories you have to hand submit to like dmoz. so it's best, once your site is complete, to submit to those sources up front.
i also didn't agree with the scenario of comparison of the webmaster that takes the shortcuts to get ranked high to the one that doesn't. that is 100% false and no facts to back what was on the website. the truth is, taking shortcuts can get you ranked higher and quicker, and ylou reap the a lot of the rewards in the short run when you take the shortcuts or try to fool the search engines. problem is, google and other search engines will penalize you in the long run within ranking your site or black listing your whole site all together. so it really just depends what your objectives are for your online marketing. their are pros and cons to both ways
if i was going to do an experiment, i would have created about 5 seperate pages with different scenarios and combinations of seo and non seo. also although it hasn't been supported either way, but I BELIEVE the domain name can affect your page rankings in some search engines so there really is a lot to consider.
the one thing i believe highly in what i read on that one site is that google is the leader in search engines and a site should be optimized for google because of that one fact.
if you have arelis or ipb, then why wouldn't you use them for your inbound links? are you doing it manually or have another program to get your inbound links?
Since you mentioned it, mudmall.com was registered back in October 2003. When you put your site live, were you doing this well after 11 days?
I don't know as I wasn't that concerned about it. But I do know that I didn't make wild claims that can't be substantiated about how good it was. I mean, "10 Backlinks Obtained To My Website In Under 5 Minutes!" is a pretty big claim.
Pehaps an analysis of those awstats would be a good idea, I know that these stats can be misleading. Here's some of my stats for the month of May.
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Direct address / Bookmarks 7491
Links from an Internet Search Engine - Google 358 358 - MSN 129 129 - Yahoo 73 100 - Google (Images) 10 10 - Ask Jeeves 10 10 - Unknown search engines 9 9 - AOL 6 6 - Netscape 6 6 - Earth Link 2 2 - AOL (fr) 2 2 - AltaVista 2 2 - WebCrawler 1 1 - Seznam 1 1
Links from an external page (other web sites except search engines) - 2789
All looks very impressive doesn't it? However, when you look into the stats it seems there are a few misleading figures. Here's the external page, (non search engine) with the most 'links' back to my site.
http://www.trap17.com/forums/index.php 501 538
Now I know for a fact that there is not a link back to my site on that page. Apparently it counts a 'link' when you go from a page to your site. Awstats are great, but don't be mislead by the figures.
The point is, if you're going to make these big claims, make sure you can back them up with facts. Otherwise people will naturally be skeptical.
When I started this thead, it was intended to be a learning experience for everyone to follow at Trap17. But it appears, after reading through the entire thread again, that it became a house of jesters.
That's becaues you haven't taught anyone anything except that you know how to blow your own trumpet. All you've done is give unsubstantiated figures as to how many backlinks you've got with no clue as to how you got them. How is that teaching anyone anything? If you don't like the attitude some people are displaying towards you it's because you've brought it on yourself with your ever so slightly holier-than-thou attitude. As for 'snide' and 'belittling' - 'snide' at a stretch, but it's more like skeptical; and if you've felt belittled at all you either need to get a thicker skin or find a dictionary.
You should know by now that just because Google crawls a site doesn't mean the site will be instantly indexed. Google is crawling my site every day but hasn't indexed everything yet. Checking the awstats data it shows the following:
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Direct address / Bookmarks Pages: 2788
Links from an Internet Search Engine 28 - Google 24 24 - MSN 2 2 -Yahoo 1 1 -Yandex 1 1
Links from an external page (other websites except search engines) 758
There are other search terms that come up pretty high in the search engines and not just "niche list." I got the information from awstats and checked them out myself. If you say people don't search for such things, well, they did, as the server logs show and were directed to my site. A few of them are:
"changes to google algorithm may 2006" Google #12 "list of bookmarking services" MSN #1 "list of authority sites to ping with wordpress" Google #10 "blog and ping misconception" Google #1, Yahoo #17
And one thing no one seems to take into consideration is the domain name was purchased on May 23 and the website was not put online until May 29. That means it has only been live for 11 days as of today. The website is getting popular fast. Stats for yesterday (the most complete as today is not yet over) is 395 unique visitors. Since you mentioned it, mudmall.com was registered back in October 2003. When you put your site live, were you doing this well after 11 days?
Give the spiders a chance to index what they crawl. Everyone who knows Google well enough knows they do most of their crawling during the first 3/4 of the month and most of the indexing during the last week of the month. Do you really expect a new website a mere 11 days old to be as fully indexed as one that's been around for a few years? Also, Niche List was never submitted to the search engines. It is just now starting to appear in Yahoo and MSN as they finally discovered the website on their own, just as Google has.
Again, I will state that this is simply an experiment. Testing various methods is the only way you'll find out what works and what doesn't. By taking a juvenile attitude and throwing out belittling and insulting statements doesn't help the matter. When I started this thead, it was intended to be a learning experience for everyone to follow at Trap17. But it appears, after reading through the entire thread again, that it became a house of jesters.
My 30 day mark for my final analysis of everything I am doing has not yet approached. The half-way point hasn't even been reached. When it does, I will write everything I've done to reach that point. And no, I have no intention of profiting from this. As I've said, this is merely an experiment to share with Trap17 members. If you wish to continue with snide remarks, etc., that is up to you. But I will not return your gestures.
And time has revealed all. You wait is finally over. Now, I will present the proof for a website and domain name that is less than 2 weeks old. Go to Google and enter the search term "niche list". You will find my website in the number one position. You will also notice that the page is Results 1 - 10 of about 22,900,000 for niche list. To get the number one position out of over 22 million pages is pretty good. You can rest assured its not just another con job, as you put it.
Well gee, how about that, your site is #1. Now let's see what happens when I search for the term "mud mall". Look at that, my site is #1! I wonder if the fact that it happens to be my domain name makes any difference? Let's try another one, how about "Trap 17"? Well, well, trap17.com is top of the list, imagine that.
Typing your domain name in as the search criteria is hardly proof that you have some magical system.
When I search for the term "fantasy pictures", (because that is what my site is all about and what people will search for) my site comes in at #9. That's not bad considering I have done nothing but let spiders visit my site. No magical secret and no money spent on site promotion.
Oh, by the way, searching for "link:www.nichelist.info" still doesn't give any results. When I type "link:www.mudmall.com" I get "Results 1 - 4 of about 70 linking to www.mudmall.com" It's been over a week now and still no link results for your site. How do you explain that if your site is #1?
Have you checked the data for the search term 'niche list'? Although, the number of results are quite high, the searches are not. Overture doesn't even have data for this keyword!
It's pretty amazing how your site went up so fast in only about two weeks! NICE SEO WORK i guess
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