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Vain
post Jan 24 2007, 09:34 PM
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I dont like it I have a anger problem and I had to go but I ended up getting myself out by not taking smile.gif I hate phychiatrists myself but thats because they would always lie to me and say I said things I didn't say. They said I needed to go to anger management and was depressed and was showing early symptoms of MPS (Multiple personality Syndrome) The only one I did have was anger and I still have it, kinda odd because I was born with it. Or maybe it was some sort of genetical problem but it's better than it was.

Otherwise than that I think that physchietry helps people but now you probably think I entirely hate them, I don't I just don't think it's a good thing for someone like me.

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post Jan 27 2007, 05:12 AM
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There is no person that knows you better than you know yourself. i don't see how they can be any help when they have no idea what you are and who you are. Anyone can be a physchiatrist (i don't rally know how to spell it) all you do is ask questions about whats bothering you than take some guesses at waht could be wrong.. i also saw this on a comedy show smile.gif where the patient made everything up. it was funny.
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post Jan 27 2007, 05:24 AM
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QUOTE(Vain @ Jan 24 2007, 01:34 PM) *

I dont like it I have a anger problem and I had to go but I ended up getting myself out by not taking smile.gif I hate phychiatrists myself but thats because they would always lie to me and say I said things I didn't say. They said I needed to go to anger management and was depressed and was showing early symptoms of MPS (Multiple personality Syndrome) The only one I did have was anger and I still have it, kinda odd because I was born with it. Or maybe it was some sort of genetical problem but it's better than it was.

Otherwise than that I think that physchietry helps people but now you probably think I entirely hate them, I don't I just don't think it's a good thing for someone like me.


Hello Vain. You are wise to be critical of the psychiatric profession or anyone who would seek to steal your individual spark. Putting yourself in the care of a allopathic doctor of any sort, psychiatric or physiological - is potentially putting yourself in harm's way.

Check this out: Every year conventional (also known as allopathic) doctors kill more people than auto accidents and guns. This is admitted in their own Journal of American Medical Association Journal (JAMA). In this journal they say that roughly 20% of folks who visit doctors will suffer some sort of doctor-related injury. Another 16% of folks who died in a hospitol died of something other than what they were admitted for - in other words - the doctor really had no idea what was wrong with the patient!! AND they admit, another 28% are admitted to the hospitol because they suffered an adverse reaction to a drug some doctor prescribed them. These are frightening statistics!

And every year, it seems, another new fangled psychiatric condtion is invented by these people, and the reasons are many.

The first is that it further justifies their parasitic existense. The sicker you stay, the more money they make. They don't make any money off healthy people. They'll create a some mental condtition to sucker in otherwise healthy people. Secondly, there is a deliberate "dumbing down" of society. When someone dares think for theselves or show any creativity, they are labled with, "Attention Deficit Disorder," or labled in need of "Anger Mangement" therapy. All that means is they're going to dope you up with enough drugs to where you can no longer think for yourself. You'll be a lot easier to control that way, and be a happy little worker bee for the state.

Vain, I don't see anything wrong with being angry sometimes. Should we all walk around like good little drones with plastic smiles painted on our faces? And you folks with depression: it's normal to feel down sometimes. Culture would force us to be happy all the time and that's just not realistic - or healthy. Sure makes a lot of money for the good people who push happy pills on the unsusecting.

Some people are just naturally melloncholic. Many of them are geniuses. But you can say goodbye to the genius when they start popping the happy pills the drug-pushing doctors would have them take.

In closing, Vain, I have a very dim view of any institution that would deny the individual the very essence which makes him unique. Run - don't walk, from anyone or anything that would force you to be like everyone else.
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post Feb 4 2007, 08:57 AM
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Psychiatry or Psychological sciences are quite useful , as far as i am concerned. It does help out people , who need it badly. Say for example, a person who decides to commit suicide. For him, a good psychiatrist could show a new world, where he could realize what life really can be ...


I think the word psychiatry is wrongly perceived by many people. If you visit the psychiatrist ,Most of them could probably
start assuming that , there might be something wrong with your mental health , .. or maybe m you are even mad .. That is the
basic reason, why psychiatry is misunderstood , i guess.

Maybe, we should start referring to psychiatrists as counselors , or by some other name,..
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post Feb 9 2007, 10:23 PM
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The first is that it further justifies their parasitic existense. The sicker you stay, the more money they make. They don't make any money off healthy people. They'll create a some mental condtition to sucker in otherwise healthy people. Secondly, there is a deliberate "dumbing down" of society. When someone dares think for theselves or show any creativity, they are labled with, "Attention Deficit Disorder," or labled in need of "Anger Mangement" therapy. All that means is they're going to dope you up with enough drugs to where you can no longer think for yourself. You'll be a lot easier to control that way, and be a happy little worker bee for the state.
Do you truly believe that all psychiatrists are out there to make you money and make you sicker? There are some good people left in the world. You sound paranoid. I show loads of creativity and think for myself, I'm not labeled with any psychological problems by anyone INCLUDING my psychologist. I know psychology and psychiatry are different, but in essence they are the same, to help you out with your mental problems.

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And you folks with depression: it's normal to feel down sometimes. Culture would force us to be happy all the time and that's just not realistic - or healthy.


Anyone with depression or anyone who has had it, including myself, will tell you thats bull****. Its not normal to wake up wanting to kill yourself. Its not normal feeling so worthless and unloved. Its not normal having nightmares and dreams about death. Its not right. Its obvious to me that you've never went through any real psycological problem in your lifetime. Depression is not feeling down sometimes, its feeling down ALL the time.

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Vain, I don't see anything wrong with being angry sometimes. Should we all walk around like good little drones with plastic smiles painted on our faces?


While I agree with you when you say we shouldn't be happy all the time, humans should have a wide range of emotions, who says he isn't angry all the time? I don't know whether he is or not but the people I've met that say they are angry since birth seem to be angry most of the time. Most people know that being angry only sometimes isn't a problem.

Psychology works for me and to say that psychiatrists use their patients for money only shows your own ignorance and paranoia.
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post Feb 11 2007, 07:47 PM
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Hmm, I'm CERTAIN I posted an answer to this topic, but it seems to have disappeared. Weird. Well, it was quite detailed, and my new post isn't going to be anything like that, but here goes..

Hmm, it certainly is not natural to be depressed all the time, but at the same time, psychiatry doesn't really have all the answers, in my opinion. I think that while some types of depression that result from a chemical imbalance in the brain/delusions of worthlessness, etc. are indeed in the realm of psychiatry, others are not.

For example, a person might be depressed because he or she feels they aren't getting a fair deal out of life. And they may well be right!! In which case, the sickness in not in the person, but perhaps in society, and far less easy to 'cure'.


I've always been one to walk the path less-trodden - sometimes literally, as in deserts and mountains, at other times in the intellectual frontiers of the mind. And I'll tell you one thing - society does not like those who choose a 'strange' path to follow. And if a person is depressed or angry because of this, is the sickness within himself, or is it in the society around him? And if he chooses not to be 'adapted' to society, who is to say he is wrong?

To an extent I was very depressed when I was young. And I found a cure for it that was not with the psychiatrists. I found a people who trained my body to such a zenith of perfection that the mind could not resist the feeling of incredible good health, and it succumbed to it, and the depression fell away like dry leaves.

Lets face it, psychiatrists are human - and perhaps some of the reasons people are depressed lie not merely in the mind but in very real problems they might face. And while psychiatrists may have some of the answers, other answers lie within ourselves.

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post Feb 19 2007, 05:48 AM
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QUOTE(ghostrider @ Feb 9 2007, 02:23 PM) *
Do you truly believe that all psychiatrists are out there to make you money and make you sicker? There are some good people left in the world. You sound paranoid.

Don't interpret generalizations as anything but what they are, Ghostrider. And the fact there are "some good people left in the world" has absolutely nothin' to do with nothin,' and hardly diminishes the feasibility of my point. That is, the medical industry as a whole is not necessarily concerned with the well being, emotional or otherwise, of the individual. Sadly, it often comes down to the almighty dollar, and the individual (doctor and patient) gets swept up in the tail wind. Ssssswishhhh........
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I show loads of creativity and think for myself, I'm not labeled with any psychological problems by anyone INCLUDING my psychologist.
Geeeeeez, can we all stop being on the defensive here? I'm getting a bit tired of walking on eggshells around fragile egos. Who said anything to question your creativity or ability to think? This is supposed to be a forum for intelligent debate, learning and conversation. I'm sure you're very creative, but I'm not here to build up egos, nor am I particularly interested in psychoanalyzing personal issues.
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Anyone with depression or anyone who has had it, including myself, will tell you thats bull****.

Please refrain from demeaning my personal opinion. I have as much right to my viewpoint as you do yours.
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Psychology works for me and to say that psychiatrists use their patients for money only shows your own ignorance and paranoia.

Please refrain from hurling personal attacks against me because you feel I don't share your opinion. I will continue to voice my viewpoint on this topic, and others like it. The fact is, fraud and abuse run rampant in the psychiatric industry, and you would be well advised to research the matter further, especially if you are currently undergoing "treatment." If you don't believe me, which you obviously don't, please consider visiting this site: http://www.freedommag.org/english/vol2704/psych.htm
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post Feb 24 2007, 02:55 PM
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Hmm, money does seem to be a force in medicine - I lost my brother recently, and our insurance couldn't cover the costs of his treatment, and the bills we paid for it have all but bankrupted my family. So yes, while I know there are a lot of compassionate and caring people in the various medical professions, no doubt about it, I feel money is a guardian spirit for some in the profession as well.


Now, in genuine cases of mental imbalance I'd say that psychiatrists definitely have a lot to offer a patient. On the other hand, I personally feel that many cases of depression result from an individual not getting a 'fair deal' from society in any one of a number of ways, and it seems strange just to treat the patient and to ignore the greater social ills that might actually be causing the depression.

In other words, the 'illness' of the individual might be a direct reflection of the fact that there are vast imbalances and great differences between rich and poor, privileged and unprivileged, in societies today. And that has to be treated by some brilliant economist or politician (um, did I say brilliant politician? Perhaps I should just settle for honest. Ow, then again perhaps I'm just asking for too much).


Personally I do think that if an individual wakes up every morning wanting to kill himself, and someone can actually help him and is qualified to do so, well, that's good, obviously. It's the money part that disturbs me. I distrust the whole 'money' system, that's the thing. Especially in professions like medicine where compassion, humanity and selflessness should be what rules, and some way found to make money