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cramy
post Jan 9 2007, 11:11 AM
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Why we all need Vitamin B12, is an article from todays newspaper.

Vitamin B12 is also known as Cobalamin and was the last B vitamin to be identified. It plays a vital part in the manufacture of red blood cells, which are needed to carry oxygen round the body. Cobalamin is also needed for a healthy nervous system.
Deficiency can lead to pernicious anaemia,extreme fatigue,and neurological symptoms such as forgetfulness,dizziness,tingling and loss of co-ordination. Low levels are also linked to depression and mood swings. Dr Joseph Chandy of Shinwell Medical Group in Horden, Durham, has treated hundreds of patients over 25 years. He believes B12 deficiency is a forgotten illness, affecting up to 12 per cent of the population.
The scale of the problem is vastly underestimated, he says, because doctors are using out-of-date criteria to identify the condition. His work has shown B12 deficiency has no respect for age or gender- his patients include a boy of 10 and people in their 80s.
The deficiency can be caused by a number of factors, including a vegetarian or vegan diet, because B12 is found naturally in animal sources such as meat, liver, fish eggs and milk.
However some people,s bodies fail to absorb vitamin B12 direcrty from food- and the only way this balance can be redressed is regular injections directly into their blood.

It can be dangerous to over-dose on any vitamin, including vitamin B12. If you think you are deficient in this vitamin, seek medical advice.
My own opinion is to take a vitamin b complex, at the recommended dose, every day.


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post Jan 9 2007, 08:51 PM
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You should have used quote tags. I am a vegetarian and I am just as healthy as the next person. I hate it when stupid doctors or/and people say one needs meat to be healthy and gain protein and junk like that. An elephant is strong right? An elephant does NOT eat meat. Most meat eaters get there protein from cows. Cows get their protein from grass. Can your teeth rip through the raw skin of a cow? I don't think so but a lion with MASSIVE teeth can. Here is a fact for you: humans are the only creatures on this planet to cook it's food. Mmm, interesting - so long meat-eaters, happy digesting smile.gif
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post Jan 9 2007, 09:46 PM
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I think refraining from fanaticism in all it's forms leads to a happier, healthier life.
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post Jan 10 2007, 04:44 PM
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QUOTE(juice @ Jan 10 2007, 04:51 AM) *
I am a vegetarian and I am just as healthy as the next person. I hate it when stupid doctors or/and people say one needs meat to be healthy and gain protein and junk like that. An elephant is strong right? An elephant does NOT eat meat. Most meat eaters get there protein from cows. Cows get their protein from grass.


Oookay, first off, those "stupid doctors" didn't get the title "Doctor" for being stupid. If anything, I think the title is indicative of the opposite. Also, if you really read the original post, you'd find that some vegetarian diets bring about, not lack of protein, but lack of cobalamin, or Vitamin B12. The complexities of vegetarian diets do not end with protein.

Also, the strength of a creatures relies not on its size. Just because an elephant is large does not mean it necessarily is strong. Look at ants. They can lift up to 50 times their own weight! They also eat meat, btw happy.gif

Another thing, just because you are healthy now does not mean it will stay that way forever. It may take months or even years before the effects of a new diet begins to manifest themselves.

Lastly, there is no point in comparing humans to cows and elephants when it comes to diet. For one, cows and elephants are completely capable of digesting cellulose, which is why they need not eat meat. We, humans, on the other hand, can only get starch and vitamins from most plant matter that we do need to eat meat to get our protein somewhere.
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post Jan 10 2007, 10:59 PM
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QUOTE(salamangkero @ Jan 10 2007, 06:44 PM) *

Oookay, first off, those "stupid doctors" didn't get the title "Doctor" for being stupid. If anything, I think the title is indicative of the opposite. Also, if you really read the original post, you'd find that some vegetarian diets bring about, not lack of protein, but lack of cobalamin, or Vitamin B12. The complexities of vegetarian diets do not end with protein.

Also, the strength of a creatures relies not on its size. Just because an elephant is large does not mean it necessarily is strong. Look at ants. They can lift up to 50 times their own weight! They also eat meat, btw happy.gif

Another thing, just because you are healthy now does not mean it will stay that way forever. It may take months or even years before the effects of a new diet begins to manifest themselves.

Lastly, there is no point in comparing humans to cows and elephants when it comes to diet. For one, cows and elephants are completely capable of digesting cellulose, which is why they need not eat meat. We, humans, on the other hand, can only get starch and vitamins from most plant matter that we do need to eat meat to get our protein somewhere.



I'm going to leave you to your own demise, have a good day and keep up the quality posting! smile.gif

PS: I will not post again in this thread so please don't reply to my posts - thank you.

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post Jan 10 2007, 11:31 PM
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and runs off just like that. dry.gif can't accept criticism huh?

first of all, doctors probably don't know that you're a vegan. after all when you look at two people, one being a carnivore and one being a vegan, there's not really much of a difference on the way they look. it's not like there's a banner overhead that says "hey i'm a vegan". doctors say that because it is what they think the best diet for people that do eat meat. you could have at least mentioned to your doctor that you're a vegan and that he should give out advice on getting alternatives to get your dose of protein. after all, you're not considered healthy if you don't have enough nutrients to supply your body. there are a lot of foods that are not meat and can provide you with protein.

with regards to the topic, i sort of can't connect it to the first post of this thread. although vitamin b12 is a derivative of what people need to stay healthy, it doesn't necessarily mean it's only for vegans. from the post itself, it's mentioned that b12 is necessary for proper blood cell creation, that vitamin 12 deficiency would lead to certain complications, so it means that it should also apply to non-vegans. the topic would have been clearer if the first post was about some trivia on vegans and vegan diet.
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post Jan 11 2007, 12:40 PM
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QUOTE(mbacarra @ Jan 11 2007, 01:31 AM) *

and runs off just like that. dry.gif can't accept criticism huh?


Sorry, I was having a bad day. I can take all the criticism in the world but I prefer not to talk back because the ones criticising are firmly set in their beliefs and are not prepared to learn other people's way of living. They do it the way they know and that's it.

QUOTE(Yratorm, LightMage @ Jan 9 2007, 11:46 PM)

I think refraining from fanaticism in all it's forms leads to a happier, healthier life.


I don't think that will ever happen in my life-time but would be a miracle if it did.
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post Jan 11 2007, 03:59 PM
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QUOTE(juice @ Jan 11 2007, 08:40 PM) *

Sorry, I was having a bad day.

okay... so your post depends on your mood for that day? dry.gif
QUOTE(juice @ Jan 11 2007, 08:40 PM) *

I can take all the criticism in the world but I prefer not to talk back because the ones criticising are firmly set in their beliefs and are not prepared to learn other people's way of living. They do it the way they know and that's it.

uh... sure sure. just because someone comments about your post that is opposite to yours, doesn't necessarily mean they're "close-minded". if you read salamangkero's post properly, his post wasn't implying anything about him being firmly set on his beliefs. he was just merely being informative and that he was correcting some of your post. what's so wrong with that? so i guess we could all blame the mood for spoiling the day huh? huh.gif dry.gif
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