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adriantc
post Mar 11 2006, 02:42 PM
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Slobodan Milosevic, the former Yugoslav leader branded "the butcher of the Balkans" for orchestrating a decade of wars that eventually broke up his country and led to his war crimes trial, was found dead in his prison cell Saturday.

Milosevic, 64, apparently died of natural causes, the U.N. tribunal said. He was found dead in his bed at the U.N. detention center, but it was unclear exactly when he had died.

"The guard immediately alerted the detention unit officer in command and the medical officer. The latter confirmed that Slobodan Milosevic was dead," the tribunal said in a statement.

The tribunal said all prisoners at the detention center near
The Hague are routinely checked every half hour, but it had no more information.

Milosevic has been on trial since February 2002, defending himself against 66 counts of crimes, including genocide, in Croatia, Bosnia and
Kosovo.

The prosecution claimed Milosevic orchestrated a brutal campaign of ethnic cleansing against non-Serbs during the collapse of the Yugoslav federation in an attempt to link Serbia with Serb-dominated areas of Croatia and Bosnia to create a new Greater Serbia.

But the trial repeatedly was interrupted by Milosevic's poor health and chronic heart condition.

It was recessed last week to await his next defense witness. Milosevic also was waiting for a court decision on his request to subpoena former President
Bill Clinton as a witness.

He also recently asked the tribunal to be released temporarily to go to Moscow for treatment at a heart clinic. The tribunal rejected the request, fearing he would not return to complete his trial.

Steven Kay, a British attorney assigned to represent Milosevic, said Saturday that the former Serb leader would not have fled, and was not suicidal.

"He said to me: 'I haven't taken on all this work just to walk away from it and not come back. I want to see this case through,'" Kay told the British Broadcasting Corp.

Milosevic's death comes less than a week after the star witness in his trial, former Croatian Serb leader Milan Babic, was found dead in the same prison. Babic, who was serving a 13-year prison sentence, committed suicide.

His testimony in 2002 described a political and military command structure headed by Milosevic in Belgrade that operated behind the scenes.

Milosevic's death will be a crushing blow to the tribunal and to those who were looking to establish an authoritative historical record of the Balkan wars.

Though the witness testimony is on public record, history will be denied the judgment of a panel of legal experts weighing the evidence of his personal guilt and the story of his regime.

"Unfortunately, he did not face justice for crimes he has committed in Kosovo as well," Kosovo's Deputy Prime Minister Lufi Haziri said in Pristina.

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European Union said Milosevic's death does not absolve Serbia of responsibility to hand over other war crimes suspects.

The death "does not alter in any way the need to come to terms with the legacy of the Balkan wars," Austrian Foreign Minister Ursula Plassnik, whose country holds the rotating EU president, said in Salzburg.

Milosevic was due to complete his defense at the war crimes tribunal this summer.

A figure of beguiling charm and cunning ruthlessness, Milosevic was a master tactician who turned his country's defeats into personal victories and held onto power for 13 years despite losing four wars that shattered his nation and impoverished his people.

Milosevic led Serbia, the dominant Yugoslav republic, into four Balkan wars during the 1990s. The secret of his survival was his uncanny ability to exploit what less adroit figures would consider a fatal blow.

Each time he would bounce back, skillfully reinventing himself in a series of political transformations — as a devout communist, a reform-minded nationalist, and again as a communist at a time when most of the world had abandoned Marxist ideology.

He once described himself as the "Ayatollah Khomeini of Serbia," assuring his prime minister, Milan Panic, that "the Serbs will follow me no matter what." For years, they did — through wars which dismembered Yugoslavia and plunged what was left of the country into social, political, moral and economic ruin.

But in the end, his people abandoned him: first in October 2000, when he was unable to convince the majority of Yugoslavs that he had staved off electoral defeat by his successor,
Vojislav Kostunica, and again on April 1, 2001, when he surrendered after a 26-hour standoff to face criminal charges stemming from his ruinous rule.

Milosevic was born Aug. 20, 1941, in Pozarevac, a drab factory town in central Serbia best known as the home of one of the country's most notorious prisons.

His father was a defrocked Orthodox priest and sometime teacher of Russian. His mother was also a teacher. Both parents eventually committed suicide.

In high school, he met his future wife, Mirjana Markovic, the daughter of a wartime communist partisan hero. She was also the niece of Davorjanka Paunovic, private secretary and mistress of Josip Broz Tito, the communist guerrilla leader who seized power in Yugoslavia at the end of World War II.

Markovic, who was often accused of being the power behind the scenes during her husband's autocratic rule in the 1990s, also faced corruption charges in Belgrade and has been in self-imposed exile in Russia since 2003.

Milosevic became president of Serbia in 1989 elections widely considered rigged. His rise alarmed the other peoples of former Yugoslavia — Slovenes, Croats, Macedonians, Albanians and others — who feared that the hard-line nationalist would allow Serbs to dominate the country.

In 1991, Croatia and Slovenia declared their independence from Yugoslavia. Milosevic sent tanks to Slovenian borders, triggering a brief war that ended in Slovenia's secession.

Serbs in Croatia, encouraged by Milosevic, took up arms. Milosevic responded by sending the Serb-led Yugoslav army to intervene, triggering a conflict that left at least 10,000 people dead and hundreds of Croatian villages and towns devastated before a U.N.-patrolled cease-fire was arranged in January 1992.

Three months later, Bosnia-Herzegovina declared its independence, too. Milosevic bankrolled the Bosnian Serb rebellion, triggering an even bigger war that killed an estimated 200,000 people before a U.S.-brokered peace agreement was reached at Dayton, Ohio, in 1995.

During those conflicts, Yugoslavia was ostracized worldwide and the United States called Milosevic "The Butcher of the Balkans." Strict international sanctions and government mismanagement devastated the economy and left its people impoverished.

Realizing that the conflicts could not continue, Milosevic agreed to the Dayton talks, accepting a deal that abandoned Croatia's rebel Serbs, who were driven from their homes when the Croatian army recaptured almost all the land the Serbs had seized there in 1991.

The Dayton agreement also meant giving up the nationalist goal of a Serb state in Bosnia. Nevertheless, it bought Milosevic time and transformed his image from Balkan villain to benign peacemaker.

Milosevic's term as Serbian president ended in 1997 and the constitution prevented him from running again. However, he exploited legal loopholes in the constitution to have parliament name him president of Yugoslavia, which by then included only the republics of Serbia and Montenegro.

It was the thorny problem of Kosovo, the majority Albanian province that had served as his springboard to power, which finally set the stage for his downfall. In February 1998, Milosevic sent troops to crush an ethnic Albanian uprising there.

The United States and its allies responded by imposing some of the sanctions that were lifted after the Bosnian war. In 1999, after Milosevic refused to sign a Western-dictated peace agreement at Rambouillet, France,
NATO launched 78 days of punishing air strikes against Yugoslavia.

Milosevic refused to back down and instead ordered his troops to crack down on Kosovo Albanians even harder. More than 800,000 Albanians fled into neighboring Albania, Montenegro and Macedonia before Milosevic finally accepted a peace plan and handed over the province to the
United Nations and NATO in June 1999.

Before the conflict ended, the U.N. tribunal indicted Milosevic and four of his top aides for war crimes and crimes against humanity allegedly committed in Kosovo. Milosevic became the first sitting head of state ever to be indicted for such crimes. Later, they broadened the charges against him to include genocide.


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Even if they say it was a natural death, I really don't belive that. Even thought I was young when the war took place I still remember clearly what happened since it was at the border of my country. He should have become an example for future generations (by beeing convicted to death). I have seen that some people are concerned about the fact that he may be turned into a hero... What do you think?
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post Mar 11 2006, 03:39 PM
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QUOTE(adriantc @ Mar 12 2006, 01:42 AM) *

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Even if they say it was a natural death, I really don't belive that. Even thought I was young when the war took place I still remember clearly what happened since it was at the border of my country. He should have become an example for future generations (by beeing convicted to death). I have seen that some people are concerned about the fact that he may be turned into a hero... What do you think?


Yes he will be considered hero.

His guilt is he defended his country from disintegration.

He fought terrorists in his regional land "kosovo" before the international declaration of war on terrorism .

While he was brought to trial, the American President Clinton who bombing the civilian, cities and bridges in Yougoslavia , he is walking free everywhere.

Also President Bush who destroyed two countries [Iraq and Afghanistan] and killed thousands of civilians by mistakes, he will not be in any trial. Even his soldiers are immune from going to any international tribunal.

Before that the American president Truman who killed hundreds of thousands of Innocent Japanese civilian never tried for this crime.

The same Israeli's leaders who are killing civilian as they like and destroying houses and lands as they see and do more than the WWII criminals did , nobody blame them and they find excuses to them.

But no excuses to the Yugoslavian leaders to protect the integrity of their country
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post Mar 11 2006, 03:59 PM
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If you look to him as a hero who wanted to protect the integrity of their country, you can also look to Hitler as a hero who wanted to conquer the world. In my opinion if the germans would rule (I said germans not nazi) the world ... the world would be in a better place. But Hitler killed millions of jews so he is far from a hero... So is Slobodan Milosevic.

Maybe I should have quoted only this part:
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It was the thorny problem of Kosovo, the majority Albanian province that had served as his springboard to power, which finally set the stage for his downfall. In February 1998, Milosevic sent troops to crush an ethnic Albanian uprising there.

The United States and its allies responded by imposing some of the sanctions that were lifted after the Bosnian war. In 1999, after Milosevic refused to sign a Western-dictated peace agreement at Rambouillet, France,
NATO launched 78 days of punishing air strikes against Yugoslavia.

Milosevic refused to back down and instead ordered his troops to crack down on Kosovo Albanians even harder. More than 800,000 Albanians fled into neighboring Albania, Montenegro and Macedonia before Milosevic finally accepted a peace plan and handed over the province to the
United Nations and NATO in June 1999.

Before the conflict ended, the U.N. tribunal indicted Milosevic and four of his top aides for war crimes and crimes against humanity allegedly committed in Kosovo. Milosevic became the first sitting head of state ever to be indicted for such crimes. Later, they broadened the charges against him to include genocide.


I don't defend Bush or the use of nuclear weapons in the second world war. I have been stronly against Bush and the so called war against terrorism, but we shouldn't forget that the intervention in Kosovo was voted by the U.N., organization which in my opinion should have the greatest power in the world.

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Milosevic has been on trial since February 2002, defending himself against 66 counts of crimes, including genocide, in Croatia, Bosnia and
Kosovo.

The prosecution claimed Milosevic orchestrated a brutal campaign of ethnic cleansing against non-Serbs during the collapse of the Yugoslav federation in an attempt to link Serbia with Serb-dominated areas of Croatia and Bosnia to create a new Greater Serbia.

HE IS NO HERO...
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post Mar 11 2006, 04:33 PM
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QUOTE(adriantc @ Mar 12 2006, 02:59 AM) *

If you look to him as a hero who wanted to protect the integrity of their country, you can also look to Hitler as a hero who wanted to conquer the world. In my opinion if the germans would rule (I said germans not nazi) the world ... the world would be in a better place. But Hitler killed millions of jews so he is far from a hero... So is Slobodan Milosevic.

Maybe I should have quoted only this part:
I don't defend Bush or the use of nuclear weapons in the second world war. I have been stronly against Bush and the so called war against terrorism, but we shouldn't forget that the intervention in Kosovo was voted by the U.N., organization which in my opinion should have the greatest power in the world.
HE IS NO HERO...


1. How you compare someone defend the integrity of his country with some one invaded and conqured all the European countries. You are wrong in this comparison. What if some states in US wanted to seperate?. Wasn't in the past civil war in US until the unification?

2. Why you dreamed that Germans would rule and considered the world would be in better place. Every country will be happy if they free from occupation or foreign ruling.

3. President Bush killed thousands and destoyed two countries because 6 thousands Americans was killed. He could find a way to punish the criminal terrorists without destroying countries or killing civilians. Morever Iraq has no relation with this crime.

4. The history and his people who will judge him whether he hero or not. His people consider him hero and the governement gave him for the promise of benefits which didn't come and will not come.

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post Mar 11 2006, 06:14 PM
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1. How you compare someone defend the integrity of his country with some one invaded and conqured all the European countries. You are wrong in this comparison. What if some states in US wanted to seperate?. Wasn't in the past civil war in US until the unification?

2. Why you dreamed that Germans would rule and considered the world would be in better place. Every country will be happy if they free from occupation or foreign ruling.

3. President Bush killed thousands and destoyed two countries because 6 thousands Americans was killed. He could find a way to punish the criminal terrorists without destroying countries or killing civilians. Morever Iraq has no relation with this crime.

4. The history and his people who will judge him whether he hero or not. His people consider him hero and the governement gave him for the promise of benefits which didn't come and will not come.



1. I compared Hitler with Milosevic because they both killed inocent people. Not in a war situation where inocent casualties are inevitable, but because they were rasists and killed people for their own reasons. You have to remember that the jews in 2nd World War Germany (and in most of the countries today... specially USA) control a huge portion of the economy (in a sense jews control the USA... financial speaking). The same "protecting integrity" could be applyed to Hitler, but we all know he was a madman not a hero.

2. In my opinion (and I'm not a racist) the german people are the smartest in the world. Not only that but they are the most efficient (take in consideration that in both world wars they fought almoust alone against everyone and almoust won). The devided world of today is not good at all. And that's why I like globalization. All men are brothers, but every nation has a different objective. Different currency, different language... The best way I would see the world is that of a federation (like the USA). In my country we have a high level of corruption and birocracy. I would gladly accept a foreign ruling as long as they let us keep our teritory and language intact.

3. As I said I agree with you. The war in Iraq has nothing (or almoust nothing) to do with terrorism. The black gold is the issue. But we must remember that USA rules the world. 2nd World War made USA what it is today. One way or another we must accept that they make the rules and such they will never be guilty of something. There is no one to dispute their position...

4. True. BUT HISTORY IS MADE BY THE VICTORS. It is the way the history works. It is why history will never be objective...
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Well I have to tend to agree that the US Controls a little much mostly financial, if you think about it US stock market pretty much controls the worlds money. If the market were to crash right now WWIII would begin where each country is up fro grabs and Nato and U.N would pretty much be dead.

But kasm you fail to realize before US got involved with Slobodan Milosevic, he arleady started killing people for no particular reason thus he was branded a "hitler" then the bosnia war started with us being involved alliance and all and also finishing what we started after the Korean War and that was basically destroy communist countries, official we did but of course they won't tell you that. Plus everyone new that Milosevic was not taken care of terrorist that was the cover story he wanted to do what hitler was doing and that was to kill of a race of people just because he felt like it.

But with what adriantc said about germany if US never got involved in the War then most likly the World would be Run by the nazi's but we did and here we are today.

Remember people are only heros to those who follow in their ways but not a hero to those who look for peace and justice for everyone.

Now concerning the atom bombs at that time it was jusitified they need to end a war and end it quickly since it lasted 6 years and already millions of people have already been killed military and cilvilian. But by todays standards it wouldn't have been justified.

But to get a little personal on this topic to a point, the muslim countries havn't been trying itheir hardest to stop the people who use islam as a way to kill people who have nothing to do with anything that going on with it, the terrorist that decided to slam airplanes into buildings also took it apon themselves to decide everyones fate and look where we are now it will be five year since that fate has been sealed. Since I take this a little further those cartoons do make a point for a religion that says they live in peace sure not treating it as such. look whats happening now the muslim people are fighting amoung themselves cause they want power and the only way to achieve power the right way is through talking and not fighting but that won't happen though.

Now with whats going on in Iran they are already making their moves to be included in this war cause their leader is as twisted as hitler trying to kill people for what land, money and to opress people. You would think he would realize that alot of people are not going to let that happen. Believe me their nuclear program is for making weapons and nothing more then that and quite frankly when a country that supports terrorism is trying to go nuclear they are going to make those weapons for them and when they launch that nuke believe me as I tell you this Iran will cease to exsist and anyone else that decides to launch one cause we will launch back and it will not just be not one nuke either it will be several and the US Government will hit their traget with deadly accuracy and thats based on facts not opinions.

So if you want to people to see the light well I say get out of your house and let people know to stop these pointless attacks and put down their weapons and start talking. But of course that's in a fantasy world cause in the real world the only thing that keeps on killing innocent people is money and thats pretty much it.

Fighting back and forth will not solve anything, yeah I think bush is a total @ZZ and corrupted he should go to prision for lying to everyone about what they were really after and thanks to him and his friends he's made this world a harder place to be in. But also I blame the people who decide that killing and kidnapping is the best solution to make people listen.

I would have like to do some travling across the world and see the great sites but I doubt that will ever happen cause people want nothing more then money and power.

Of course I have more to this but Im will stop for now.

and heres a little side note for those who think just because im a american or just another infedel and evil person.

I only believe in what I see, know and hear, I don't do what others tell me to do just because they say so I do it If I believe it to be the best course in action or the right thing to do and that everyone is also aprt of it as well and if I have to defend myself from those trying to hurt me my family or people i care about I will kill you were you stand and I will never give it a second thought, I seen enough violence in my life to know how to do it to.
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