I found this in a different forum in a different language so I translated it to share it with you guys:



That’s the end of the translation. What do you guys think about this ? Are there any flaws in this? Or does it make sense ? The door of debate is open…


SOURCE OF ARABIC MATERIAL: http://www.ok-eg.com/show.php?main=1&id=286
TRANSLATED BY ME



I am putting the material that's not mine in QUOTES, but the english translation is mine.



This post has been edited by truefusion: Nov 29 2007, 02:32 AM

This doesnt make sense to me...

the question of a higher power than myself or my knowledge has never been in question. i pretty much always believed in a higher power. i went to church for 18 years of my life, then i started questioning "god". then i became somewhat athiest to what i know and believe now. the question to me is, what IS this higher power?

i feel we are so ignorant as human beings that we will grasp on to anything that might make sense to us just to satisfy our own insecurites in where we come from. ignorance sometimes is that higher power to others. for example. i believe in psychic abilities 100% but just because someone does a trick to make it look like he has psychic abilites, does it mean he has psyhic abilities? some people believe yes, but that is their ignorance creating some higher power so what do we actually know about how god exists and the day of judgement exists without being fooled what a higher power really is? you can't and there is no scientific proof to back it up

to go one step further in your scientific proof that proves your theory, god is energy obviously since you and all others consider god to be a higher "power". so if the scientific proof is correct as you are assuming in this scenario, then god was created by yet another higher power. what power is higher than god? who knows. and until you can tell me what this power is and give it a name, then your theory has holes and is there has been no proof to it even assuming that the scientists' theories are fact.

on the flip side, you can say that god was the original energy and he controls all energy around us thus making it impossible to create or take away energy but then there would be no scientific theories now to base that on. who's to say there is one god anyway? what proof is there to that? there is none and what scientists have discovered wont support any factual basis to that.

now that we talked about "god", what is your basis in saying the judgement day exists? because if there is a god, there must be a judgement day because it was in a book that was written by someone other than god himself(sorry for the masculine version for all the women out there...just easier to say)? there isn't any scientific proof that supports that theory either.

fact is, all you mentione was a theory. this theory has been debated by our earliest ancestors why? because obiously we are not ment to know all the answers. with logic. i mean, logic is good for some things, but not to solve a deep rooted issue in all of us. that comes from your inner soul. your spirit. your intuition. you gut. what actually makes sense to you without logic. why do i say without logic? because people have tried to answer the question you are trying to solve to today with logic. both sides can have smart and logical answers to it. logic is also man made. comes from old school philosophy which is alot older that psychology.

so my point in the last paragraph is simply that because we don't have all the answers and probably never will in our lifetime here on earth, then we are ignorant and because of that, the answers don't lie in logic. the asnwers lie deep down inside ourselves. a feeling of knowledge we get inside....deep inside our own selves when we can relax and clear our mind, and be in touch and in tune with our inner soul and spirit and what all of us have inside us

first of all, this is not my proof nor my theory, I just translated the proof, although I do beleive that god exists.



god is not energy he is the creator of the energy. He created the energy from nothing. and he is not the 'power', he has that power. The power of creating things from nothing. The creator has the power of creating things from nothing, because he has that power he doesn't need another being to bring him into existance, because if he is in need of another being to bring him into existance then he can't have the power because he needs it himself.

If we say that god is the original energy, then we are back to the same question which we were trying to answer which is "Where did that original energy come from?"



no, but because the energy and the matter and everything was created that means it has a begining and since everything that has a begining must have an end, when its end comes that will be judgement day. It depends on what you are referring to when you say judgement day I guess.



I am mentioning an answer to the question: "If energy cannot be created or destroyed, where did all the energy that exists in the universe today come from ?" and if this answer is wrong then give us a better answer or try to correct this answer.

This post has been edited by omarsdali: Nov 28 2007, 10:43 PM

the funny thing about this is that i argue very similar arguments with my science teacher last year in biology so its really funny that i tried to prove stuff the same scientists did. but this arguemnt has been argued the same way before and will continue to be argued this same way to come. i agree with what they say, but truthfully in a scintific world this would still be considered a theory just like the big bang theory.we'll all have to find out the truth when the time comes and for some of us it'll be way to late for them to enjoy it.

god is not energy? hmmm gee....ok.... god is the creator of energy.....hmmmm where are you getting your facts now? i thought we were assuming what the scientists say is fact. i must have been mistaken.



i answered it already and disproved your theory. weren't you paying attention? all you based it on was assuming the scientists are correct

as far as my personal belief, i have already stated that as well.

you see, there is no basis to what you say because god exists either way in your theory. if energy cannot be created or destroyed, god exists. if energy CAN be created and destroyed, god exists. god exists eithr way in what you say so you aren't really creating much of an arguement, sorry....