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Acidify
post Jun 4 2007, 07:19 AM
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Russian President says that if the United States continues to proceed with their plans to install a missile defense system in Poland, they will be forced to aim their missiles at United States military bases in Europe. A few days ago Russia also announce their Russia multi-warhead missile which surposely can penetrate any missile defense system. Washington has not made any comments on President Putin threats. Last week Russia tested the missile. United States analysts believe that the missile has been under development for many years and President Putin says that the missile test is a response to the United States missile defense system plan.

I think that Russia should be ashamed of themselves for making such a threat against two World Powers, specially Europe. They are endangering world peace and their President should apologize to Europe and the United States. If Russia attacks Europe, we are looking at a world war. This will involve at least the United States, Europe, and Japan against Russia. I myself dont trust Japan not even a tinsy winsy bit and I am pretty sure I am not influenced by propaganda since the United States and Japan are allies and their relationship has increased over the past years.


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post Jun 4 2007, 08:04 AM
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Noooo!!! i accidently clicked nulled vote before i got to vote so erm

1) Yes
2) Certainly
3) Yes

1) I think that Russia is completely out of line, i mean look at them in the war's they've been in like the cold war, wanting to expand communism and keeping their 'power' up there.

2) I think they threat should be taken serious because i think that Russians are ruthless people and would take no thought in the world before attempting an act of war against any other nations in the world that oppose their views and their ways of life.

3) I do think that the United States should continue with the defense system just because if the place that we are bulding this on allows us to build it their, no other nation should have a say in it, just because russia is mad because if they every decide to oppose any nation in the world and go into another all out world war or whatever that someone could take them out easy.

I just never really did care for Russia and their ways of life and just their whole ideology as a whole.
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post Jun 4 2007, 03:11 PM
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QUOTE(Albus Dumbledore @ Jun 4 2007, 09:04 AM) *
Noooo!!! i accidently clicked nulled vote before i got to vote so erm

1) Yes
2) Certainly
3) Yes

1) I think that Russia is completely out of line, i mean look at them in the war's they've been in like the cold war, wanting to expand communism and keeping their 'power' up there.

2) I think they threat should be taken serious because i think that Russians are ruthless people and would take no thought in the world before attempting an act of war against any other nations in the world that oppose their views and their ways of life.

3) I do think that the United States should continue with the defense system just because if the place that we are bulding this on allows us to build it their, no other nation should have a say in it, just because russia is mad because if they every decide to oppose any nation in the world and go into another all out world war or whatever that someone could take them out easy.


1 - Pls get your terminology correct. If anyone is out of line, its Putin, not "Russia". The cold war was an arms race, and both sides were as bad as each other. The Russian government wanted to expand communism, the US government wanted to expand Democracy. Except, the last russian chairman, Gorbachev i think, who ended the whole conflict, and kennedy, who tried to change things, and look what happened to him...That's one thing you can say for the Russians, when their leader made peace, he wasnt assassinated.

2 - Yes, the threat should be taken seriously. This is quite obvious, it is a simple matter of: "they build something, we build something too". Therefore it should be taken seriously, because it could start an arms race. But what the heck do you mean "Russians are ruthless people"?? Have you met all the Russians lol?

3- Of course the US shouldnt continue with the defense system! I mean, lol, Iran doesnt even have nukes yet, and they deny they are even building any....and North Korea wtf? It's on the other side of the world lol! "If the nation we are building it on allows us to build it there. no other nation should stop them"?
uhhh.....didnt Castro allow Kruschev to install missiles in Cuba in the 1960s? Under your theory, the missiles should have stayed there becaue Castro allowed them to?


Personally i agree with Putin. At the end of the Cold war, the USA and Russia both agreed to stop the destructive arms race and not threaten each other. Building missiles on Russia's doorstep seems to me to break that treaty.




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post Jun 4 2007, 07:03 PM
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QUOTE(mojoman @ Jun 4 2007, 03:11 PM) *
1 - Pls get your terminology correct. If anyone is out of line, its Putin, not "Russia". The cold war was an arms race, and both sides were as bad as each other. The Russian government wanted to expand communism, the US government wanted to expand Democracy. Except, the last russian chairman, Gorbachev i think, who ended the whole conflict, and kennedy, who tried to change things, and look what happened to him...That's one thing you can say for the Russians, when their leader made peace, he wasnt assassinated.


When we say "Russia/Russians", we are refering to the Russia Government....not the people.



QUOTE(mojoman @ Jun 4 2007, 03:11 PM) *
2 - Yes, the threat should be taken seriously. This is quite obvious, it is a simple matter of: "they build something, we build something too". Therefore it should be taken seriously, because it could start an arms race. But what the heck do you mean "Russians are ruthless people"?? Have you met all the Russians lol?


Once again, I believe he is refering to the Russia Government.






QUOTE(mojoman @ Jun 4 2007, 03:11 PM) *
3- Of course the US shouldnt continue with the defense system! I mean, lol, Iran doesnt even have nukes yet, and they deny they are even building any....and North Korea wtf? It's on the other side of the world lol! "If the nation we are building it on allows us to build it there. no other nation should stop them"?
uhhh.....didnt Castro allow Kruschev to install missiles in Cuba in the 1960s? Under your theory, the missiles should have stayed there becaue Castro allowed them to?
Personally i agree with Putin. At the end of the Cold war, the USA and Russia both agreed to stop the destructive arms race and not threaten each other. Building missiles on Russia's doorstep seems to me to break that treaty.


I think they should continue. Thats like telling the United States that we cant place missile defense systems on our border states. The problem is Russia thinks that they control Poland and have every seen the Great Wars. They also threaten the lives of Europeans when they should be working on some dipomacy with Poland. In fact, threaten Poland before you threaten Europe! I think we have Stalin Jr on our hands.

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post Jun 4 2007, 09:10 PM
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Putin is not out of line. The US (army admin) is out of line. Permission or not they should not be allowed to build weapons where they so please. Russia and the US both stepped down in the arms race; there was a move to disarm. I can't remember the specifics but a few years back the US agreed it would disarm and revolve x amount of missiles if Russia disarmed x amount, and they both agreed. So why is the US rearming? Because of Iran? Korea? Nope, those missiles are not meant for the armaments which these countries have. The US is planning something; just like they planned to invade Iraq when they attacked Afghanistan.

Yes, their threats should be taken seriously. Every country has a right to protect itself especially if it feels threatened. Add to that the Russia-US history and you definitely should take it seriously.

No they shouldn't continue as planned. Not because Russia said no but because they have yet to legitimately validate their need for the installation. They claim it is for Iraq or Korea but as stated the equipment does not fit the bill. This is the same organization that fraudulently attacked Iraq. Our lesson should be learned; until they validate it they shall not move forward.

QUOTE(Acidify @ Jun 4 2007, 03:03 PM) *
I think they should continue. Thats like telling the United States that we cant place missile defense systems on our border states.

I disagree. It is very different. It is different from the missile defenses the US has in northern Canada (and those are in attack range of Russia). Russia agreed to stay out of Europe and allow x amount of US defense systems around them; this has been fulfilled by both sides.

You have to think of it this way: building/expanding is a mentality of moving forward. For the US to build yet another installation, in addition to the ones already there (not replacing or upgrading an older one), they are being even in the slightest sense aggressive. Maybe not towards Russia but aggressive nonetheless. How do you think the US would respond if Russia built missile systems in Kazakhstan? They would take that as a step of aggression.

QUOTE(Albus Dumbledore @ Jun 4 2007, 04:04 AM) *
1) I think that Russia is completely out of line, i mean look at them in the war's they've been in like the cold war, wanting to expand communism and keeping their 'power' up there.

2) I think they threat should be taken serious because i think that Russians are ruthless people and would take no thought in the world before attempting an act of war against any other nations in the world that oppose their views and their ways of life.

3) I do think that the United States should continue with the defense system just because if the place that we are bulding this on allows us to build it their, no other nation should have a say in it, just because russia is mad because if they every decide to oppose any nation in the world and go into another all out world war or whatever that someone could take them out easy.

I just never really did care for Russia and their ways of life and just their whole ideology as a whole.

1 - Every country wants to be powerful. It's just that the US is a bit of a bully it that respect. Seriously, there is nothing wrong with being the world's peacekeepers (although really that's Canada's nickname) but you can't go around saying you're not allowed to do this and you have to do this because I said so. And before you deny such a mentality you should think about it honestly.

2 - Russians are not ruthless. With all due respect that's bias talking. I don't know why Americans view communism as 100% evil, I suppose it's how you're taught, but communism just like democracy is an ideology. Communism is not inherently evil. It is an administrative tool. I'll quote again
QUOTE(Albus Dumbledore @ Jun 4 2007, 04:04 AM) *
i think that Russians are ruthless people and would take no thought in the world before attempting an act of war against any other nations in the world that oppose their views and their ways of life.

You just described the US mentality during the better part of the twentieth century. Canada, your peaceful and democratic neighbours was "suspicion" of being communist and so we were almost enemies. Now tell me that isn't stupid.

3 - Russia will not try to invade Europe. As much as military strategist would entertain the idea, they know their economy can not handle such a bold excursion. And yes, they might be worried the US is planning on invading them, but they should not have to. The US has no right to invade Russia.

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post Jun 4 2007, 09:38 PM
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I would say both US and Putin are out of line. US for acting like every country is a threat to it and Putin for bringing back Cold War mentality. But poor thin what else could he do. The US is simply aggravating tensions here. The sooner this stand off dies down the better.
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post Jun 4 2007, 10:35 PM
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QUOTE(srujanlive @ Jun 4 2007, 09:38 PM) *
I would say both US and Putin are out of line. US for acting like every country is a threat to it and Putin for bringing back Cold War mentality. But poor thin what else could he do. The US is simply aggravating tensions here. The sooner this stand off dies down the better.



I dont think the United State is out of line. Russia is the one who has been developing the multi-warhead missiles for several years in secrect. That sounds much more aggressive them placing a missile defense system in Russia bordering country. When was the last time using missile defense tool was an act of war? Why would someone want to retaliate against a defense? Why dont Russia want the missile defense system there? Who in the hell are they going to nuke? If they are not going to nuke anyone, why would they even care? Personally, I don't believe that Iran is into developing nuclear power just for the energy. Even if they are not capable of launching missiles at Europe, why wait till they are capable? Is Russia some how supporting Iran or Al Quida. They could be a big time weapon supplier of Iran and Al Quida from all the fuss they are making about a defense system. They must be planning to nuke countries in Europe.

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