I was once a muslim but I started to use my brain. I started to think critically.
Then I watched this guy's video on youtube

http://youtube.com/user/infidelguy?ob=1

He is amazing.
A very inteligent guy and a brilliant critical thinker

If you are a religious person and question your religion in any way, watch this guys video

Start off with this -> http://youtube.com/watch?v=ANdMYNldd3c
I guarantee you will question your religion 100%. Then you will watch more of
his videos and then you will never be the same



The beginning 4 minutes are boring because he explains himself but, BUT, this
isn't a professor boring talk. An average guy and he is a cool person

I suggest anybody watch this

I watched it, i also watched some others. He's not worth the time—not even a challenge to faith; i view and read up on stuff like this all the time just for the challenge; i find theists more challenging than atheists. The person in the video provides a lot of illogical arguments. Maybe your faith in it is due to lack of knowledge in other areas—this is usually the case. You see it many times: one person is confronted with one form of knowledge before being confronted with the actual truth or other, more accurate knowledge, therefore the person rejects or denies other information pertaining to the same subject and in an unreasonable way, too. I've been guilty of such in the past, but i've learned my lesson and try to be reasonable wherever possible.

Tell me this.

Why does God send you to hell, if that is his almaster plan?
If he knows what you will do before he creates you, why does he create you to go to hell?

Why is there evil with god?

screw all that

Why did God put the apple tree there if he knew that Eve would eat the apple?

It's not His master plan to send people to hell. But the answer to your question can be easily found in the following verses: Proverbs 10:16; Romans 6:23; Revelation 21:8. Also, when you die you are not immediately sent to hell.


He doesn't create a person to go to hell: the sinless cannot be sent to hell.


The question bears a presupposition and therefore cannot be answered (properly) until you provide more information.


There is no Biblical statement stating why He created the Tree of Knowledge. Therefore, any answer is mere speculation and conjecture. However, you may want to ask Him why.

It is his master plan. He knows who/what/when future past and present


Oviously when he creates you at the time, even before, God ALREADY knows what you will do from beginning to end and after that.


See that's the thing with theists. You can't think (NOT ALWAYS) for yourselves when it comes to religion. You read everything out of the bible and agree with it 100% no matter what. I bet my life if it says to go to heaven, you must kill a person every year, it would be fine, and eveybody would do it.

God put the tree KNOWING, KNOWING, that if he puts the tree there, Eve was going to eat it. Plain and simple. God knew that 1. Eve would eat it. 2. Eat loves it ALREADY, 3. God already knew it was going to happen before it happened.

And what's with God getting angry? God getting emotions? God can't have any emotions, he's perfect. It's like this :

I know, that If i put my fingers on a hot stove, it's going to burn. I *CREATE* the stove and put it on high temperature. I put my finger there (just like god put the tree there) and IF I KNEW I TOUCHED THE stove with my fingers it would burn. So what happens? I touch the stove and it burns. OWWWW!!! I start raging, I get a bat and start beating my oven, next thing you know Me and a couple of my friends take it, and throw it out the window to hell!

Makes absolutely no sense bro. You gatto start thinking critically outside of the book.

Think that Allah sent you directly to the Hell without sending to the Earth, will you guarantee that you will accept Allah's judgement/desicion about that He is sending you to the hell. Will you accept the desicion, I don't think that you will accept, and you will say that "I didn't do anything bad".
But Allah sent you to the Earth, and if you do bad things and believe wrong ideas your home is hell, but if you do good things and believe in the right religion your home will be heaven. And everyone accepts the judgement/desicion to send to heaven or hell.


You want to go to heaven too easy, don't you. The evil is needed because if there is no evil, good persons cannot be found.
And everything you can imagine is a servant of Allah. Muslims, Christians, Jews, any people whatever he believes in is a servant/slave of Allah. Even the evil(s) is/are servants of Allah. I can give lots of examples ... But not all servants go to heaven.


Do you think you are more clever then Allah! Allah knows everything that you even don't know.

You said you were once a Muslim. I think you should go to Mosque everyday especially at Fridays more to learn your religion. If you know your religion enough, you would never think to write these sentences...

I want to finish my sentences with these words: Allah is the greatest.

//Note: Sorry me about my bad English grammar.
I edited because I want to add more sentences

This post has been edited by Erdemir: Jun 6 2008, 05:56 PM

1. Allah sent me to earth with the ability to do bad? Why? This is stupid, there is no test going on, I'm not a test dummy. God doesn't need lab mice. God sent me to earth Already knowing what I will do before he sent me so that's just stupid. Theists just can't seem to understand.

2. Lol? Your saying you have to have evil to be good? No you don't, you don't have to have suffering in your life to do good. Heaven there is no evil, yet everybody knows there is everything good. That right there is thinking like the devil. Your saying there must be bad now?

So wait, if there must be bad, then why is the devil negativity? I say you should worship the devil then, because your pretty much saying there wouldn't be good AKA God without bad AKA Devil. Now were on a whole different level here. Now your God is depending on something else for it's existance which makes it imperfect which is not true which voids / nulls that idea.

3. See, church is just a brainwasher. When you go to church you go with an opened mind with a one way door. You hear and believe whatever your pastor or whatever you want to call them says. This is just like Hitler was. He said I'm this I'm that, these Jews are this, these Jews are that, which is why he got support of all those German people to treat Jews like that. Those German people didn't have an open mind and believed and went along with whatever Hitler said which allowed them to fulfil all those horrible acts of Genocide.

Same thing with the churches / mosques / temples. You believe whatever they say, you don't second guess it.
How about this ------->
If you don't believe in Zeus, your going to hell! That's right, your going to hell and are going to burn for all of eternity for not believing in Zeus, because of course he is the God of all Gods.

Tell me how you feel about that once you replied to all my other comments.

[1] You condemn us for believing what is in the Bible? I want you to take a serious look at the lies this world feeds you every day. You tell me which is more ridiculous.

[2] That statement is ridiculous. First of all, you can't really use that to argue. Why? Because that is not the state of things. Therefore, that argument was a waste of time.

[3] Indeed, God was fully aware that man would rebel against Him. But, he gave us a choice. To obey Him, or disobey Him. We made the choice to sin.

[4] Alright... that is ridiculous. We have emotions do we not? The bible says that we were created in God's image --> therefore, since we have emotions, God must have emotions.

[5] With [4] you just said God is perfect, and therefore He has no emotions.... why in [5] do you compare yourself to Him and say that "I start raging, I get a bat and start bea