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Sep 4 2006, 11:33 AM
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Well, on the show that was aired in my country (please check above posts by me for further details) didn't showcase any skeletons technically they were carbonized skin and tissues, even the heart was intact.
And please how many times do I have to mention the fact about the number of limbs, no other (big) animal had more than 4 limbs, not even those flying dragons, but this one had and it also had his tail in the shape of a fin, some might say and thats because after the K2 event, all dragons and dinosaurs except for the dragons under water (aquadragons) became extinct and from these water-dragons came more and diverse species of dragons like mountainous ones and forest dragons too. Basically the Chinese dragons are forest dragons. Check my posts some some special indications showing that humans were the sole reason for the extinction of the stage 2 dragons. |
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Dec 12 2007, 03:01 PM
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Trap Double Mocha Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,360 Joined: 21-September 07 Member No.: 50,369 |
I have just been researching up on this through interest and for dargons actually existing, I do think that they are manipulated from actually being dinosaurs but as for breathing fire, there is a species of beetle that can spit 200'see liquid from the mouth, dragons may not be that far off the mark.
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Dec 14 2007, 02:08 PM
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Trap Double Mocha Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,360 Joined: 21-September 07 Member No.: 50,369 |
Hello, my name is samantha and I want to say that I have all ways bielived in dragons so I want to say that they do exist! if you type in dragons on google and go onto page five where you will see a skull!! that will prove the inocence over them and that they do exist!
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Dec 17 2007, 06:08 PM
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Joshua ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: [HOSTED] Posts: 605 Joined: 23-June 05 From: Illinois Member No.: 8,571 |
I believe the world is much younger than the theory of evolution suggests, therefore, dinosaurs and humans once co-existed. I think the dragon legends found worldwide are simply proof for that. There are native american dragon legends, legends in Africa, legends in China, and legends in Europe.
And an early poster said the Catholic Church would've mentioned dragons if they existed, but didn't. They must not know much about dragon lore, or they'd know some of the best known dragon stories are from Medieval Europe and associated with Catholicism, such as Saint George and the Dragon. And no, I'm not a fan of Catholicism, just of the Bible, but I wanted to point out the inaccuracy. And speaking of which, there's a perfectly good description of dragons to be found in Job ch. 41: QUOTE Job 41:1 Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord which thou lettest down? 2 Canst thou put an hook into his nose? or bore his jaw through with a thorn? 3 Will he make many supplications unto thee? will he speak soft words unto thee? 4 Will he make a covenant with thee? wilt thou take him for a servant for ever? 5 Wilt thou play with him as with a bird? or wilt thou bind him for thy maidens? 6 Shall the companions make a banquet of him? shall they part him among the merchants? 7 Canst thou fill his skin with barbed irons? or his head with fish spears? 8 Lay thine hand upon him, remember the battle, do no more. 9 Behold, the hope of him is in vain: shall not one be cast down even at the sight of him? 10 None is so fierce that dare stir him up: who then is able to stand before me? 11 Who hath prevented me, that I should repay him? whatsoever is under the whole heaven is mine. 12 I will not conceal his parts, nor his power, nor his comely proportion. 13 Who can discover the face of his garment? or who can come to him with his double bridle? 14 Who can open the doors of his face? his teeth are terrible round about. 15 His scales are his pride, shut up together as with a close seal. 16 One is so near to another, that no air can come between them. 17 They are joined one to another, they stick together, that they cannot be sundered. 18 By his neesings a light doth shine, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning. 19 Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out. 20 Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron. 21 His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth. 22 In his neck remaineth strength, and sorrow is turned into joy before him. 23 The flakes of his flesh are joined together: they are firm in themselves; they cannot be moved. 24 His heart is as firm as a stone; yea, as hard as a piece of the nether millstone. 25 When he raiseth up himself, the mighty are afraid: by reason of breakings they purify themselves. 26 The sword of him that layeth at him cannot hold: the spear, the dart, nor the habergeon. 27 He esteemeth iron as straw, and brass as rotten wood. 28 The arrow cannot make him flee: slingstones are turned with him into stubble. 29 Darts are counted as stubble: he laugheth at the shaking of a spear. 30 Sharp stones are under him: he spreadeth sharp pointed things upon the mire. 31 He maketh the deep to boil like a pot: he maketh the sea like a pot of ointment. 32 He maketh a path to shine after him; one would think the deep to be hoary. 33 Upon earth there is not his like, who is made without fear. 34 He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride. Here are 2 other interesting references in the Bible to this dragon, or leviathan: QUOTE Psalms 104:25 So is this great and wide sea, wherein are things creeping innumerable, both small and great beasts. 26 There go the ships: there is that leviathan, whom thou hast made to play therein. 27 These wait all upon thee; that thou mayest give them their meat [food] in due season. Isaiah 27:1 In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea. I think dragons, or leviathans, are simply a reptile species capable of creating fire or something very similar. If Bombardier Beetles have a way of doing something so similar, I figure another, larger animal species could as well. After all, it would be a lot easier for the much larger dragons to contain the fire-making apparatus needed than those small little beetles, but the beetles can do it. And just as there are varieties of dogs, or cats, or beetles according to micro-evolution, I would guess there are different varieties of dragons. I think the different kinds of plesiosaurs are just dragon species that lived alongside man from the beginning. Some may have now died off or been hunted down, but some still exist deep in the sea. I think that explains a lot of the dino species. And of the giant land dinosaurs, many would fit the behemoth mentioned in Job ch. 40, just one chapter earlier, that speaks of a gigantic animal which attempts to "drink up rivers", has a tail like a cedar tree (no land animal today comes close to that, but it would fit perfectly the ancient brachiosaurs), is an herbivore, and is said to have its strength concentrated in its belly. QUOTE Job 40:15 Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox. 16 Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly. 17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together. 18 His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron. 19 He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him. 20 Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play. 21 He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens. 22 The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about. 23 Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth. 24 He taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares. I think such a view explains why so many different cultures have legends of creatures very similar to the dinosaurs, with only a few exceptions. The dragons tend to be scaled and breathe fire. I am interested in seeing what kind of water dinosaurs might have been scaled, and in keeping an eye out for proof of that in the coming years. There is one more interesting reference to dragons in the Bible I'd like to share: QUOTE Psalms 74:12 For God is my King of old, working salvation in the midst of the earth. 13 Thou didst divide the sea by thy strength: thou brakest the heads of the dragons in the waters. 14 Thou brakest the heads of leviathan in pieces, and gavest him to be meat to the people inhabiting the wilderness. 15 Thou didst cleave the fountain and the flood: thou driedst up mighty rivers. 16 The day is thine, the night also is thine: thou hast prepared the light and the sun. 17 Thou hast set all the borders of the earth: thou hast made summer and winter. It is interesting that the Bible speaks of a mass destruction of these dragons or dinosaurs. Apparently it involved making them food for people in a wilderness (perhaps the Israelites under Moses?) and may have involved drying up rivers. (v. 15) |
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Jan 30 2008, 10:54 PM
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First of all, I would like to clarify specifically what you mean when you say "dragon". If you are referring to a huge fire breathing lizard with enormous wings that flies through the sky and does other cool stuff. Then I believe the answer is no. My interpretation of the whole incident is that there were a very large amount of enormous lizards all across the earth not long ago. These could have been seen by travellers and men being the people that they are, will have over exaggerated all of the beasts features to make themselves sound much more manly. I doubt that any animal has ever or would ever have the ability to breathe fire. That is just silly. Flying lizards however are pretty possible. Considering that both the west and the east have reasonably similar depictions of the beasts (by similar I mean as similar as two breeds of dog from opposite sides of the world look) I think it's very possible that there was a species that was what we think of as a dragon.
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Jan 31 2008, 10:04 PM
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Oooo, I do not know.
But dragons, I think I have read somewhere that they are a mixture between lizards and snakes, right? Yes, I think that was it. I have never seen a lizard or snake that can blow fire, have you? Naah, did not thing so either. I believe something like that maybe did exist, but not in the way some believe. I guess something like it do exist. But like I said; not in the "gigantic and fire-breathing" way. |
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Apr 9 2008, 01:04 PM
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Trap Double Mocha Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,360 Joined: 21-September 07 Member No.: 50,369 |
dragons in the bible
Did Dragons Ever Exist? HERE IN THE BIBLE ITSELF IS THE DRAGON UNDER THE NAME THAT God RIGHTFULLY GAVE IT THE LEVIANTHAN Job 40-41 (King James Version) King James Version (KJV) Public Domain Job 40 1Moreover the LORD answered Job, and said, 2Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? he that reproveth God, let him answer it. 3Then Job answered the LORD, and said, 4Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth. 5Once have I spoken; but I will not answer: yea, twice; but I will proceed no further. 6Then answered the LORD unto Job out of the whirlwind, and said, 7Gird up thy loins now like a man: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me. 8Wilt thou also disannul my judgment? wilt thou condemn me, that thou mayest be righteous? 9Hast thou an arm like God? or canst thou thunder with a voice like him? 10Deck thyself now with majesty and excellency; and array thyself with glory and beauty. 11Cast abroad the rage of thy wrath: and behold every one that is proud, and abase him. 12Look on every one that is proud, and bring him low; and tread down the wicked in their place. 13Hide them in the dust together; and bind their faces in secret. 14Then will I also confess unto thee that thine own right hand can save thee. 15Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox. 16Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly. 17He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together. 18His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron. 19He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him. 20Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play. 21He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens. 22The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about. 23Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth. 24He taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares. Job 41 1Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord which thou lettest down? 2Canst thou put an hook into his nose? or bore his jaw through with a thorn? 3Will he make many supplications unto thee? will he speak soft words unto thee? 4Will he make a covenant with thee? wilt thou take him for a servant for ever? 5Wilt thou play with him as with a bird? or wilt thou bind him for thy maidens? 6Shall the companions make a banquet of him? shall they part him among the merchants? 7Canst thou fill his skin with barbed irons? or his head with fish spears? 8Lay thine hand upon him, remember the battle, do no more. 9Behold, the hope of him is in vain: shall not one be cast down even at the sight of him? 10None is so fierce that dare stir him up: who then is able to stand before me? 11Who hath prevented me, that I should repay him? whatsoever is under the whole heaven is mine. 12I will not conceal his parts, nor his power, nor his comely proportion. 13Who can discover the face of his garment? or who can come to him with his double bridle? 14Who can open the doors of his face? his teeth are terrible round about. 15His scales are his pride, shut up together as with a close seal. 16One is so near to another, that no air can come between them. 17They are joined one to another, they stick together, that they cannot be sundered. 18By his neesings a light doth shine, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning. 19Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out. 20Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron. 21His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth. 22In his neck remaineth strength, and sorrow is turned into joy before him. 23The flakes of his flesh are joined together: they are firm in themselves; they cannot be moved. 24His heart is as firm as a stone; yea, as hard as a piece of the nether millstone. 25When he raiseth up himself, the mighty are afraid: by reason of breakings they purify themselves. 26The sword of him that layeth at him cannot hold: the spear, the dart, nor the habergeon. 27He esteemeth iron as straw, and brass as rotten wood. 28The arrow cannot make him flee: slingstones are turned with him into stubble. 29Darts are counted as stubble: he laugheth at the shaking of a spear. 30Sharp stones are under him: he spreadeth sharp pointed things upon the mire. 31He maketh the deep to boil like a pot: he maketh the sea like a pot of ointment. 32He maketh a path to shine after him; one would think the deep to be hoary. 33Upon earth there is not his like, who is made without fear. 34He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride. THERE IS PROF FROM God THIS IS QUTED FROM http://www.Biblegateway.Com/passage/?search=JOB+40-41&version=9; THE ONLINE BIBLE TY -reply by carl |