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Aug 1 2007, 05:56 AM
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Trap Grand Marshal Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: [HOSTED] Posts: 1,137 Joined: 19-May 05 From: Mexico Member No.: 7,234 |
I disagree with them being murdered, an eye for an eye and we will all be blind. I also think that there is no point in the life sentece.. what is the point, its like having a dead person in life but just being mantained by the governmente. I really think that it is a stupid sentence, you dont have the right to decide if a persons life should be taken away because of their acts nor should you have the right to decide how they will spend the rest of their lives, but then again they did that to the person they murdered. It is a really complicated situation, and I think that what should be done to these people is to rehabilitate them in some way and have them do charity work for life or something productive so they can try and give back to the society what they took away from.
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Aug 1 2007, 06:02 AM
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Master of All Typos ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 621 Joined: 30-July 06 From: Earth, Usa, Maine, Waterford, Member No.: 27,507 ![]() |
Isn't the answer obvious? If someone has taken a life the only way for them to pay is to give there own life. So yes all murderers meet the gas chamber or whatever any way they could die, I really do not care they are just planet earth scum.
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Aug 1 2007, 02:20 PM
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Newbie [Level 1] ![]() Group: Members Posts: 22 Joined: 3-July 07 Member No.: 45,918 |
I don't think they should be killed(at least not instantly) because they wouldn't suffer(when you are dead you don't care how you died and what you did wrong), but i think they should be in prisons where there is nothing but things necessary for survival(food,water and what ever some law about this would say) and they would have to grow their own vegetables, cook for themselves and stuff like that so money from taxes is spent in minimum possible way. If someone would refuse to cooperate then he wouldn't get food so he would die but suffer before he dies(or he would have to kill himself in any way he can think of).
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Aug 1 2007, 07:00 PM
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Super Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: [HOSTED] Posts: 275 Joined: 14-June 07 From: on a voyage of self-discovery Member No.: 44,789 ![]() |
There were a lot of interesting points that were brought up which I would like to address.
I'd like to clarify that when I talk of murderers, I'm referring to real murderers, not those who were framed up or something. First of all, how do we truly know that someone is a real murderer and not framed up or something... But even then, you can go through the appeals process to overturn the decision. There's really only one person who knows, without a doubt, who the real killer is and that is the killer. Photos and video can be doctored, DNA planted, eyewitnesses fooled. If we as a jury are to play judge and executioner, we must be certain, without a trace of doubt, that the person is guilty. According to the US Constitution, all are presumed innocent until proven guilty. However, people can be prejudiced or easily swayed by the silvered tongue of a smooth-talking lawyer. I'd have to agree with Joshua,If we can't guarantee there will be no innocent people on Death Row, then there should not be a Death Row. Well, I am a religous person, and following the old Testament, people should be not hanged or electric chaired but stoned yep, stoned. It would demoralize murderers and would stop them from commiting such horrific crimes. heehee, I love it! Takin' it back Old Testament style! If someone would refuse to cooperate then he wouldn't get food so he would die but suffer before he dies(or he would have to kill himself in any way he can think of). Unfortunately, we also have this part in the Constitution that says something about not subjecting people to "cruel or unsual punishment." I think starvation and torture would fall under that category.We know that the system is flawed, but I don't think killing a killer is the answer. Two wrongs don't make a right. Killing that person isn't justice and it's not going to bring the dead back. You won't even have a focus for your anger, just another empty void. Maybe instead of looking for a solution, we should try to prevent the problem. Our penal system emphasizes incarceration as the punishment, being taken out of society and locked up. For most of the people in prison, they have already rejected or been rejected from society, if they were ever part of it in the first place. Or the prison is simply an extension of their society as with gangs. Instead of trying so hard to keep the problems out of society by locking them away, we should try to figure out how that individual and society went wrong so we can prevent it from happening in someone else. |
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Aug 1 2007, 11:52 PM
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Super Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: [HOSTED] Posts: 376 Joined: 14-June 07 From: Missouri Member No.: 44,799 |
Well, depends. Not all murders are created equal in my book. As someone allready mentioned, the woman who finally kills her hubby that has been abusing her for years doesn't particularly deserve to die. And nobody should be killed unless the case is absolutly proven beyond the shadow of a doubt.
On the other hand, you have those insane individuals who go into schools, shopping malls, or what have you, and just randomly start shooting people. Those people have no right to continue to exist on this earth. They are a waste of our natural recourses, they aren't worth the air they breath. Only way to make sure they do not continue is to kill them. Even if they are mentally defective, why take a chance that those defective genes have even the most remote possible chance of being passed on. I sure don't have a problem with that. On the news a few days ago there was a woman who set fire to her own baby. She can go too. |
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Aug 3 2007, 01:21 AM
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Newbie [Level 1] ![]() Group: Members Posts: 22 Joined: 3-July 07 Member No.: 45,918 |
We know that the system is flawed, but I don't think killing a killer is the answer. Two wrongs don't make a right. Killing that person isn't justice and it's not going to bring the dead back. You won't even have a focus for your anger, just another empty void. Maybe instead of looking for a solution, we should try to prevent the problem. Our penal system emphasizes incarceration as the punishment, being taken out of society and locked up. For most of the people in prison, they have already rejected or been rejected from society, if they were ever part of it in the first place. Or the prison is simply an extension of their society as with gangs. Instead of trying so hard to keep the problems out of society by locking them away, we should try to figure out how that individual and society went wrong so we can prevent it from happening in someone else. this would be impossible because you can't analyze everything that happened to someone in his life and say ok this is the thing that made him murderer.there are too many variables and if you do find something that you think made him a murderer you could probably find thousands of others who experienced same thing and didn't become a murderer. to become a murderer there must be something wrong with you in your head because we all have problems in life(it is impossible to make society without problems) but we deal with them differently. if you think about that probably every person has had an experience which could made him kill someone but most of us don't, so it is not problem of society it is problem of individuals. there are probably some cases where you could put bigger part of blame for a murder on someone else(or more of them) and not the person that did it(like some of posters said before woman who kills her husband because he was beating her for years) but even in that case there are other ways of dealing with it(people should not take justice into their own hands they should let those who are supposed to do it do it). what i definitely think is that punishments should be worse than they are maybe than people wouldn't feel the need to take justice in their own hands. Unfortunately, we also have this part in the Constitution that says something about not subjecting people to "cruel or unsual punishment." I think starvation and torture would fall under that category. i don't see how is idea that if you don't work you don't eat cruel or unusual(if it is then we are all being cruelly or unusually punished |
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Aug 3 2007, 05:17 AM
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NERVE: Interception ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: [HOSTED] Posts: 553 Joined: 14-April 07 From: Holy Terra Member No.: 41,610 |
only murderers who had a fair trial and still was guilty then they should be killed, but not by lethal injection or electric chair or even getting hanged, they should be STONED yes STONED to death, because they deserve it
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Aug 3 2007, 06:18 AM
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Super Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: [HOSTED] Posts: 496 Joined: 15-March 05 Member No.: 4,538 |
In my opinion noone has the right to take others life! If your life is threatend, you can act in self defense and even kill your attacker but that is the only situation in which murder is ok. Even killing in revenge is not ok as that makes you the same as the one who did you harm or even worse.
So what to do with criminals who have killed 10 people for example. If they are to be killed, someone has to do it and by killing he creates a karmic bondage to this killer and is also forced to kill another human being! That is not OK and should not be requested from anyone. So this leaves the question open... I think that the best thing to do is to use an island somewhere in the see COMPLETELY guarded. On that island I'd put each and every killer who should be there till the rest of his life with other people like him - killers. So we'd have an island full of psychopats and other heavy killers which would then have to work together if they wanted to survive, because all they'd get would be a showel and seeds so they could grow their own food. That's it and the only money you need is for the guards to be there, transportation and to find an island like that! Please bare in mind, that i am talking about serial "heavy" killers, not someone who in affect killed his "love triangle" opponent;) They should go to normal prisons till the rest of their lives without any excuse! |