I don't see why people complain about George W. Bush so much. Even if he did mess up, any United States President can only run two consecutive terms. Any next President the USA gets will surely cave into pressure from not only people complaining, but the international community and pull out of Iraq which will probably cause alot of *BLEEP* down there ( even without the US "occupying" ), and everyone will get angry yet again with America for pulling out. Go figure.

the only saving grace of the united states is that bush can't be voted for another term. but that doesn't change the fact that the united states is full of people who voted for bush the second term.

i can understand the first time where no one really knew what he was like and what he was capable of but after the first term and he did what he did, people STILL voted for him.

anyone who complains that there was no other choice is wrong. they KNEW what bush was like but they did not know how kerry would be. I just hope their next president has some brains so they can fix what bush has screwed up.

True, however the amount of damage that Bush has done to the US (destroying our foreign image, and completely decimating our civil liberties, etc) is going to take much, much longer to heal. Most likely the next president--be they republican or democrat--will continue the current domestic spying programs. Note the plural. Most of America only is aware of the situation in which they monitor calls comming from out of the country, with a supected terrorist at one end. It goes so much deeper than that though. For instance, most of the large phone companies (ATT, Bellsouth, Version, and a few others) have installed hardware components to allow the government to monitor thousands of calls at a time (I don't have the evidence to back this up on hand, but if anyone wants to see it I can find the reports). Of course there were already domestic spy programs advanced by other presidents...but there is no reason to make it worse.


I do agree that portions of Iraq will continue to see insurgent fighting. But, aside from a few hot spots, I think that the majority of the country will be fine. Then again, that depends on numerous things, least of all being the US pulling out *completely* (not very likely, as we've constructed over ten permanent bases within the country). An ideal situation would probably include quickly phasing out american troops in favor of a UN peace-keeping force. Then reducing that pressence slowly over the course of a few years.

P.S. Starting tomorrow I'll be moving down to boston, and so won't be able to respond to this thread for a bit. Rest assured I'll be back in (hopefully) a few days when I'm settled in and we pay for the internet.

This post has been edited by gaea: Aug 26 2006, 07:21 AM

The Patriot ACT was put forth due to branches of government being unable to communicated. Military intelligence wasn't able to relay information that could've possibly prevented 9/11, but certain laws forbidded it. I support the Patriot ACT to an extent and really don't care if phone companies listen in to my calls at all. I really don't have anything to hide.