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Feb 27 2005, 02:53 AM
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King of My WOrld ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 482 Joined: 11-October 04 Member No.: 1,665 |
i think we must eat meat .. to get the complete nutrition which we cant get it from plant .. survival of the fittest .. i agreed .. but i think that we should minimize the pain that the animal suffer when they are killed ...
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Feb 27 2005, 07:26 AM
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Member [Level 1] ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 51 Joined: 11-November 04 From: A perfect world inside my mind. Member No.: 2,233 |
Ok, in English awhile ago I had to do a debate on stem cell research, and the first paragraph of my opening speech (I don't want to get into this, but I was arguing negative, that it should not be researched, but that is not what I believe) I talked about how we don't really care about it until we see someone famous person (ie Michael J. Fox) has Parkinson's and is pushing forward research. The suddenly we want to 'help the world' and have the government give grants to labs to find a cure.
The same reasoning can be applied to meat. Sure, there are those (ie some vegatarians) that don't eat meat cuz of their sympathy for the animal, but for me I can't feel any sympathy. I know that at first it doesn't sound right, sounds like I'm some cruel heartless worker at the slaughterhouse. But I'm not, I just can't feel for animals suffering, I have no attachment to them. But if, for example, I had a pet, let's say a cat (cuz I do have one), and he was to be taken to the slaughterhouse and then served as someone's meal, I would be mortified (and nauseated), because I love my cat, I have an emotional attachment to him. The chicken that I eat for dinner I can eat cuz it doesn't look like a real chicken, and I don't know the chicken that I am eating. But I don't like eating fish (cept tuna) cuz when you buy it it still has it's head and eyes, and before it's cooked you're just looking at the dead carcass of an innocent animal. |
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Feb 27 2005, 09:41 AM
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Administrator ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 1,479 Joined: 11-June 04 From: Somewhere in Time & Space. Member No.: 1 |
Animals : Carnivores dont have the brains to make decisions. They are made so that they can kill. ITs their destiny. They have been programmed from birth that, what moves can be killed and Eaten!
Humans : We can make our decision. You have been given the power to think as a Gift. YOU HAVE 2 OPTIONS BEFORE EATING BEAF! 1> Either Dont eat it and let the cow live! 2> Kill n EAT! WHY I FEEL IT IS CRUEL As Shackman pointed out, Those facts are true. A Cow's throat is simply Slit and it is bled to death so that its meat remains tender! Seriously, it is shocking to see HUMANS doing this! Also, I read this following phrase some where on the net and I took it quite seriously.. It did seem to have a point in it! QUOTE "If one can Kill another living creature to fill his desires even if he has a choice, He will not step back before killing another creature of own kind to fulfill his deeds!" The above phrase is quite practical. WHAT I BELIEVE ? If you can't give life! You dont have any right to take one! HERE ARE SOME FACTS ABOUT VEGETARIANS and ADVATAGES OF BEING A VEGETARIAN ( Source : andrews.edu ) I copied the contents because I knew many would simply ignore the links :-) QUOTE Regular fruit and vegetable consumption reduces the risk of ischemic heart disease. A recent survey of 47,000 Italians found that persons in the highest tertile of vegetable consumption had a 21and 11% reduced risk of myocardial infarction and angina, respectively, compared with those in the lowest tertile of vegetable consumption (12). Longevity Adventists can expect to live between 4 and 10 years longer than the general public. Not all Seventh-day Adventists are vegetarian. Vegetarian Adventists can expect to live up to 12 years longer. Adventists in general have an advantage over the general public probably because they eat more fruits and vegetables. Less Heart Disease Because of the low fat, saturated fat and cholesterol content of the vegetarian diet the risk of heart disease is lowered. High blood cholesterol levels are associated with increased risk of heart disease. Vegetarians have only half the risk of dying from a heart attack when compared with the general population. Less Cancer It is thought that up to 40% of all cancers are diet related. Cancer death rates have been associated with obesity and high-fat/low-fiber diets (a low in fruits, grains, and vegetables, but high in animal products). Vitamin A and C are thought to be protective against colon cancer. Lowfat diets protect against prostate and breast cancer. Less Bowel Disease Diverticular disease and appendicitis appear more frequently with lower fiber intakes. High fiber diets increase the ease with which the food can pass through the system and decrease the transit time from mouth to anus. Bile acids are very irritating to the lining of the intestine. Shorter transit time reduces the contact between nutrients and digestive juices and lining of the intestinal tract. Also less time is allowed for the breakdown of bile acids into carcinogenic substances. Less Osteoporosis Lower protein intake and a higher vitamin D and calcium intake may contribute to higher bone density in Seventh-day Adventist women. Less Obesity It is easier to plan a low-fat diet for a vegetarian than a low-fat diet for a meat eater. The fiber in plant foods dilutes the energy and provides a satisfying meal without all the calories. Diabetes over the age of 40 seems to be related to obesity. Those able to manage their weight will have less risk of diabetes. Less Hypertension The factors involved in high blood pressure are many, but 30-40% of society are sodium sensitive and would be better following a lower sodium diet. Endurance For many years it was thought that meat provided the energy for the muscle. It is now known that the best sources of food for endurance exercise are the carbohydrate foods. The body uses glucose to produce energy not protein. A meal of pasta is standard fare before a marathon race. It has been determined that vegetarians enjoy greater strengths of endurance than meat eaters. BEAT THESE FACTS ( FOR THOSE WHO ARGUED THAT BY BEING NON-VEG THEY ARE HELPING THE ENVOIRNMENT ) QUOTE If you belong to the vegetarian-by-choice species, you must be immune by now to the varied reactions to your culinary preferences. For those neophytes who are yet to develop a thick skin to queries ranging from the aggressive to the downright asinine, here are some tips: Hunger argument: Eliminating meat eating will drastically cut livestock pasture and that land can then be used for growing food. One acre of land can produce 40,000 pounds of potatoes but only 250 pounds of meat. Already, vast quantities of food that can feed humans are being fed to livestock. For example, of all the corn grown in the USA, the livestock consumes 80 per cent and humans only 20 per cent. Environmental argument: Topsoil erosion, global warming, depleting rainforests and extinction of species may be halted if the majority of the world's population adopts a vegetarian diet. For instance, according to research statistics, 300 million pounds of beef is imported from Central and South America to cater to the USA. The economic incentive impels these nations to cut their rainforests to make way for more pastureland. Natural resources argument: Raising livestock is an inefficient way of generating food. While 25 gallons of water are needed to produce one pound of wheat, 5,000 gallons are used to produce one pound of beef. Also, it takes 78 calories of fossil fuel to produce one calorie of beef but only 2 calories for one calorie of soybean. Antibiotics argument: A large amount of antibiotics are fed to livestock to control staphylococci. These are only partially effective, as the bacteria are becoming increasingly immune to them. Both the antibiotics and the bacteria they were intended to destroy are still in the meat when it goes to the market. ANOTHER PRACTICAL FACT : SEARCHING "Non-vegetarian advantages" gives 10,000 results while Searching "Vegetarian Advantages" gives 216000 results. "I dont want the non-veg's to convert to Veg diet after reading this, but I request to stop giving stupid explanations for why you are non-veg, rather than simply accepting the fact that science has proved that staying vegetarian is healthier! And if you switch to a veg. diet, you will be helping the nature! -Just Accept the fact." FACT : Bill Gates is Vegetarian! Another True FAct : I AM A VEGETARIAN TOO |
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Feb 27 2005, 02:21 PM
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Super Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 423 Joined: 13-July 04 Member No.: 87 |
Hey Opaque, I didn't know you were vergetarian.
I'm partially a vegetarian. I eat eggs too and ocasionally a dish or 2 of meat if I can't help it. In short, I try my very best to cut meat out from my diet. Meat can get very tempting at times, that I agree. I get tempted too. But when I see the market as a living graveyard, it really makes me puke. Here is a link to a gallery which shows how animals are exploited. One line I read from a book, which I still remember it very clearly, word for word cause it really left an impression on me. QUOTE If slaughterhouses had transparent glass walls, everyone would become a vegetarian. Here's the link to the gallery: Animal Exploitation Galler Note: This pictures here can be quite graphic. Reality is always horrible. And yes, this website has some Bible quotes, which highly suggests that this website is a project by a church. If you think God gave you EVERYTHING on this Earth for human's use, think again. QUOTE Approximately nine billion chickens like these are slaughtered every year in the U. S.. They are being deprived of their God-given liberty for their entire lives. This is evil! The Bible teaches us that we are to "rule" over the animals in the same way we expect our elected government officials to "rule" over us. Think about this guys....we are the future generation. If we are going to be like this, our offspring will be like this too. It will be a never ending chain. -Shackman This post has been edited by Shackman: Feb 28 2005, 02:15 PM |
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Feb 27 2005, 07:21 PM
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Super Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 242 Joined: 27-December 04 Member No.: 2,960 |
Ehm...thanks, Shackman. lol
I didn't think I would ever be forced to change my lifestyle, but seeing those pictures may have done just that |
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Feb 28 2005, 05:33 AM
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Super Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 351 Joined: 19-October 04 From: India Member No.: 1,824 |
Opaque is right in saying that all non-vegetarians would not convert to vegetarianism but at least stop giving rubbish reason for eating meat.
I have heard all sorts of reasons like : survival of the fittest, and that there needs to be a balance in the nature, human teeth are meant for eating meat, getting other vitamins & proteins and what not.... I hope the following link would clear all your doubts and stop you from giving crap reasons: http://www.animal-lib.org.au/lists/vego/vego.shtml Also, to those who point out... In India there are many communities who are vegetarian, I dont find any health deficiency in any of them.. nor would you be able to point out. Cows in India die naturally but I have never heard of 'mad cow disease' in India. Moreover other predominantly meat-eating nations face this scare... so that does not prove any point... I have just put in my points with no intention of hurting anyone's feelings. |
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Feb 28 2005, 07:09 AM
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Pwned y0! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 55 Joined: 5-February 05 Member No.: 3,625 |
QUOTE(Caveman @ Feb 26 2005, 10:03 AM) There are two notions pulling my head in opposite directions. The first one: I firmly believe that animals were not placed on earth to serve humans; i.e. they must not be used as means to our own ends. In this sense, technically, killing an animal for its meat WOULD be morally wrong. I guess what I'm trying to say is...eating meat is morally wrong, but biologically correct. EDIT: i cut some stuff out so its the main point there's no such things as morals, humans created them well actually humans didnt create them we thought up of them so technically it isnt morally wrong but thats only technically also the way we kill those animals is probably not because we like to slaughter things but because it's more efficient and tastes better cuz they'll make less money if they let the chicken make an egg whenever it wants |
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Mar 1 2005, 03:21 PM
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Super Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 240 Joined: 11-October 04 From: California Member No.: 1,683 |
There is no health risks in eating meat sparingly as part of the human diet. The problem lies in that people tend to eat way too much meat, and that is what causes the obesity and other problems. A big reason for the terrible conditions in places where animals are raised is that companies try to keep up with the huge meat consumption by increasing speed and cuting cost as much as possible.
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