Ah...there it is again, the magical age of 16, when children wake up one morning and decide that they are adults, and are smarter, wiser, and know everyting in the world there is to know and are definatly smarter then their parents at any rate.

News Flash for you. Your not an adult. You have not lived the life experiences your parents have. You have been around just long enough to have some ideas about the way things are and should work, but not enough practical experience to understand how things work in the real world. It's going to be another 20 years or so that you will look back and suddenly realize that your parents may of actually been a lot smarter than you gave them credit for.

But that's the future. For now, you have to realize that it is the job of the parent to raise their children the way they see fit. That is what parents are supposed to do. To bring you up acording to their beliefs, in the hopes that you turn out to be a decent, responsible human being with some real intelligence and common sense.

Right now, your parents feed, clothe and put a roof over your head. And until you are capable of doing all that for yourself, you are just pretty much stuck with dealing with your life and the belief of your parents. They are not stupid because they believe differently than you do, and you should NEVER think that of them. They want what is right and best for you.

Let me play the devils advocate for a minute. Your parents object to homosexuals. Well, if you look at it from the perspective of right and wrong, you will see that it IS actually wrong. The survival of the human race is dependant on us reproducing. Homosexual's cannot reproduce. The human race would become extinct if no one reproduced. So at least in that respect, it is wrong.

I'm a little bit older then you (I'm 20 years old) and I can't say my parents have imposed all that on me. Actually there was no much need I've imposed some of their ideas on myself. My parents are not racists and I'm not - I consider them and myself old fashioned in the way we think. And I like it since I do believe todays society is in a steep (moral) decline.

I know you are upset, but take a moment and put yourself in their position. Once you know you'll have a kid you'll hope he will resemble you, that he will become everything you haven't (couldn't) be. If he won't be like that you'll try to put him on the right track...

Besides there is another important issue to discuss. The generation difference... The world is simply going too fast. For example, where gay couples in such a spotlight a few decades ago? Of course not! Your parents where raised in a society where they where gay at home and normal on the street. Now the world has changed - society is almost encouraging such (abnormal if you ask me) sexual preferences. It's normal for them to protect themselves and you from what they where not accustomed to. Such a rapid change is very hard for everyone - when you will grow up and have a kid the world will be very different; you will no doubt try to control him. What do parents think? If I ended up right, then why risk my kid future - why not grow him in the same spirit I was grown? And it's hard to blame that thinking...

I don't agree with your parents, but you have to understand you will most probably be the same when you will be a parent too...

oh. i love devil's advocate. can i play too? it also must be wrong for two homosexuals to get married and adopt one or two children and love them with all their hearts when nobody else would. that's something else i noticed about homosexuals.

and who are you to say that pro creation is the only purpose we are here for? i guess i should never have been born. i'm 40 and i still don't have children. i must have been a mistake in life. silly me i guess you can group me in with the homos now

Sure you can play! Love a good reasonable debate!
Basicly yes, procreation is the reason we are here. It is the most primal biological instinct. Lets face it, if you were not created, you would not exist, and could not contribute anything to society.

I assume that you have no children because you made the decision not to. Modern medicine has some very effective methods for birth control. Or you have some physical problem that prevents you from reproducing. (In which case, I apoligise if you want kids and can't have them) Injuries can occur, after we are born, and the development of the fetus in the long 9 month gestation is a delicate and complicated process, and quite often things do not go perfectly. Sometimes threw the process you may end up with a birth defect that prevents you from reproducing. Very few, if any, specimins of any species are born completely perfect. We all have our little flaws.

I see no paticular reason to "group you in with the homos" if it is by choise or design that you do not have children. If you chose not to, that just means you made a decision based on your life's experiences not to reproduce. It is quite possible to resist biological urges if one sets their mind to it.

Homosexuals are not any different from any other human, except of course, in their sexual preferences. They have the same needs and wants and capabilities to give love and want love as any one else does. So adopting and loving children is really not all that unexpected. I suspect there are a lot of lesbians that actually do artificial insemination and pregnancy in order to have a child to love and nuture.

So now according to you, the sole purpose of people is to reproduce, and people are not allowed to be different and like different people?

Ok I accept that my parents feed me, clothe me etc. but brainwashing your kids is a tad too far... especially bringing them up to be racists.

All those people out in the world who are killing people, raping, attacking animals etc. all got their ideas from somewhere...

I am at the point where I wish GOD did exist and he would do what he did to Noah > pick people who have never sinned and purge the rest. Some people in this society shouldn't be here. Especially that person who nailed 8 magpies to a fence by their wings, mutilated 2 cats and put them in their owners cars, stabbed dogs, cut the wings off a crow when it was still alive and last but not least, chucked rocks at Koalas... it was in the news today. I cannot believe humans are that sick.
Yet it is true. I know many people at my school who are cruel sick *BLEEP*s who I hope die a slow and horrible death... I remember some of them talking about how they tortured a neighbours cat and hacked up the body of a bird they found (luckily, already dead) in the park...

I feel sick to be a human sometimes... let the human race be removed from this earth...! Well not all, but all those sick rapists, murderers and sinners.

A200

wow.thought you presented your point of view pretty well in your original post and topic you created. you lost my vote though and support when you start talking about how you wish certain people die a slow and horrible death.

sheepdog, i respect your point of view. i ev en agree with it to a certain extent but i relate it to darwin's theory about survival of the fittest. you may have created your own theory around his to some extent. that's fine. but life is more than theory or belief. theories are a dime a dozen and belief in this world vary from religion to religion and personal experiences in how we were raised and who we are when we are born.

you know why there is no right or wrong belief? because there is truth to all beliefs.

believing in pro creation is fine my wife believes the same thing within her own line of family and future generations. she has three kids all grown up. i always wanted kids and felt i would be a great father(in some ways i believe my mom said it best that it would be easier for me to be a good father than husband). BUT! my wife is unable to have anymore kids so i have to accept this and figure out a way how i can be a good father without having kids of my own.

i have seen all sorts of mothers. there are the ones who were just born to be mothers and ones who are in no way shape or form considered to be a natural mother. for the ones living against the purpose of life you talk about, or for the ones who can't have kids, there is always adoption.

problem i also see aside from a bit of darwin's theory in your belief is the bit of the bible in your belief as well. it's now a fact though that some people are just born homosexual. heck. some people are born with male and female parts. some are born without them both.

now i personally believe in reincarnation and the some of the aspects that go in to it like from generation to generation of reincarnation, we are always becoming stronger. some have lived very few lives while others have lived many(those who have lived many are considered "old souls") i believe in some ways we determine our own paths by what we've already learned and we are born a certain way and reincarnated NOT by accident but with purpose and intnetion.

so anyone born different than those who can pro create have a purpose that has nothing to do with pro creation. so this is why i don't fully believe in your belief or what i would call a theory for everyone to stand behind. it also tells me there is a bigger purpose as a whole that people need to live by and that purpose can differ from person to person in how each person is different and unique and may hold a different purpose than their neighbor

according to the bible, we weren't born perfect in god's eyes unless god just wanted us to see ourselves in a deeper light. jesus died for our sins for a reason. it wasn't because the human race is bad and we all need someone to die for us and our so-called sins. it was to make us think and to make us grow to be better human beings. in fact, if the human race wasn't so ignorant, then nobody would have had to die to make us think on deeper levels. we are ALL born perfect. even the ones not attracted to the opposite sex as even those people can offer the world around them something different and unique that is GOOD.

the fact that homosexuality hasn't killed our race yet disproves your point all together. homosexuality will never kill our race. in some forms, homosexuality is needed for our race to survive and better our own selves if you look deep in what others have to offer. what ISN'T our purpose as a human race is tachnology that is making it easier for human's not to think for themselves anymore and live that lazy easy life that technology has to offer. there are so many signs that TECHNOLOGY will be the destruction to us, not homosexuality

society and cultures have dictated specific ways of life that everyone should live. although truth to it, it doesn't apply to EVERYONE and EVERYONE needs to find their own individual and unique purpose.

if what you are saying is true, homosexuals are a mistake in life because they can't reproduce. to go beyond that, any higher power than created us, created us as mistakes. why? as some cruel joke? to take it a bit further, if any higher power has the ability to create mistakes that the world has to live with then it isn't just limited to homosexuals. we might as well talk about all the desieses people can be born with and all the deformaties people can be born with that can never fullfill this purpose you are talking about. let's discredit all of them while we are at it

i believe in pro creation to the extent that i don't believe that any abortion is right for any reason. although i do believe in pro choice and would always hope the woman can make the right decision for her own body. BUT that is never the case when a woman gets pregnant just to abort that living thing that will always be a consequence to her certain choices. i will never believe that procreation should be a belief practiced by all though

I didn't say the murders should have a slow and horrible death, I just said many people like that who torture people and animals with NO REMORSE have no right to be here at all. Of course, if they had proper rehabilitation and GENUINELY were sorry for their actions then we should forgive them... if they are mentally unstable and murdered someone/tortured/raped etc. etc. then we shouldn't really get rid of them as they weren't of sound mind to contemplate their actions.

This post has been edited by A200: Aug 11 2008, 09:38 PM

sorry, i should have quoted. i remembered exactly what you said. this is the vent though and i understand it.....but ummmm think you're being a little harsh in your words there. you're not god and you certainly don't sound like anyone's judge and jury.

kids are kids they do some strange things for many different reasons. before you start judging and sentencing in your own thoughts, think about where their actions come from. think about why they are doing what they are doing. there are hidden meanings behind everything. think about why you even know these kids that would do something like that. think about what possibilities their may be to hold a positive affect on their life

just like i know you love your parents. you didn't say you did but i know you do yet all you say about them here are things you hate and don't admire about them. if i were to judge you by only what i have seen, i would have to say you need to have a little more mannors and self discipline when you talk down on your parents publically as you have. so just because someone does something that another sees as bad, wrong, injust or one sided shouldn't define who they are. should it? or are you without imperfections your own self and have nothing to improve on in your own life...think about it....sometimes you have to see beyond words and actions to really see people.

now like i said before. i say you stand up for what you believe in and don't allow others to take away what you stand for. although you still have a lot of growing up to do, i think your head is clicked on the right way and i do see your point in the things you say including an eye for an eye to a certain extent.

i know you had a point to your vent so i hope i didn't take away from the release you needed. i just wanted to point out the flip side. that sometimes you have to see past the negative you see to see the good. i hope that the good isn't totally hidden by your negative perceptions and the good you see is just as equally important to notice and talk about.

Actually the people who did that bashing of animals and nailing of magpies is believed to be a group of 30 or 40 year old men.

Ahh, it really annoys me too! I'm lucky my parents let me go to partys and all that jazz. Parents should show their child the path to follow, not drag them through it!