People aren't perfect - they make mistakes. Don't tell me you've never done something that endangers your health or personal safety just because it seems like a good idea at the time. (If you haven't, you will). The thing about smoking is you do it once and you find you're not addicted yet, you do it again and until you do find yourself addicted. It draws you into a false sense of security.



No, that would be stupid.



FatFighters

People aren't taking them up because they're lazy and these weight-loss "clubs" cost money. People are by nature inconsiderate to the future and despite how much they get told, don't quite comprehend the consequences of their actions. Why do think people still take drugs? They know the risks inside out, sure, but something about human nature does not stop them doing it. It's not a fault with the addicts specifically, it's a fault with people in general. Put yourself in the situation where you go to a party, all your friends are smoking and they offer you one, what do you do? Deny? They'll only keep bugging you until you do...




No vegetables in your quick meal suggestions then?! For all the good a meal of sausages, pasta and instant mash potato will do you, you might as well be eating burgers - at least they come with lettuces and tomatoes in them!

Yes it would be stupid to ban eating in restaraunts



Yes, people are lazy. It is up to them to pull their fingers out and try something. Some people should set up local weight watchers or whatever clubs for free, I suppose. But who cares if it costs, good help doesn't come cheap. For those less fortunate who can't afford it, thay can still excercise and choose to eat healthily. Fat fighters and weight watchers mainly work because its easier to loose weight if you have the encouragement from other people trying to do the same, much like stop-smoking groups. I'm sure everyone can find a fat-friend who they can talk to and they can both diet.

You are right, I have made mistakes that endanger my life, in fact- most of my hobbies include risking my life (Free running with friends ETC) But I'm not stupid enough to blame the government if I fall, like the obese society are blaming others.

Y'know what really grinds my gears? Fast food restaraunts saying their meals are healthy cause they have a slice of tomato with them. They still have the same fastty foods, but they are havving MORE by having salad, too. This is actually even more unhealthy cause people are still eating the fast foods, PLUS the salad. Although salad isnt bad for you, it doesn't mean that the food it touches also isnt bad, otherwise everyone would rub lettuce on their chocolate before eating...

Irealise there are no vegetables in my examples, but everything can be served with salad rather than fries/beans or whatever else you would serve those things with. I did say the list goes on, and it does. Salad is just one of the many quick and easy options.

I have realised that people don't like salad because of hgow it is viewed globally. People on T.V saying "Eat your greens" to their children and what-not, who refuse because it is nasty. People don't want to try Salad because they dont think it will taste nice, due to how people talk about it. This plays a big part in why people try fast foods, too. It is viewed as the tasty sustinance, and so people choose it over a healthier meal.

Thanks.

P.S- I know it seems I'm arguing with you but I am greatful for the replies XD Good discussion to be honest.

This post has been edited by Wetton: May 1 2008, 05:55 PM

Lol - the "can't someone else do it?" attitude. But anyway, someone has, the NHS run numerous stop-smoking programmes, advertise on TV and lots more. Help is there. But no-one is forcing people to quit as it's their personal choice and withdrawing free help for cancer victims caused by smoking would be seen as taking away that right to choice. Because of this right, there will always be some people who choose against and they have the right to get free treatment.



You do know Fat Fighters isn't a real weight-loss club?!

Anyway, I am not fat myself and I do not know any fat people although I do know of fat people. I'm sure they wouldn't want to be diet-buddies with me even if I were fat. Life's not as simple as you make it out to be...



That's because you make the choice to do free-running totally independently. Your parents didn't take you free-running with friends from a young age, like fast-food addicts were; and the media did not pressure you to either. Never underestimate the power of parents and the media.

Also, if you did fall, I bet you would expect the government to provide you with nurses and a hospital bed, despite knowingly undertaking those risks.



By advertising their food as healthy, they are persuading the more health-conscious people to join and perhaps eat some of their less healthy food. The power of the media. And because fast-food addicts were and still are, under their control, as it were, they keep on going; it is not their fault: they should get free help.



Chips are easier than salad. Salad takes time to prepare. Cutting up all the fruits and vegetables etc... It might sound stupid but that is their mentality and they won't see the other way. It is, whatever you say, still easier just to go down to McDonalds. Besides that, you can't have salad every night because it would get bland and boring.



Again, the social impact of the media means that it is not the addicts' fault. Why do you therefore not agree that help should be provided for them to stop?




Tis a good discussion...

Yes, I do know Fat Fighters isnt real (Little Britain ftw )

You say that salad takes time.. Seriously, if they are too lazy to be bothered cutting up some veggies then its purely their own fault that they are fat. And life is simple if you know hoe to play it right, why wouldn't people want to be diet buddies with you? Knowing that theres somebody else doing it with you gives you the determination not to let them down, you dont see a problem with letting yourself down, but you'd hate to let somebody else down. The NHS adverts on T.V say you are 40% more likely to quit with them, than if you go it alone. I don't see how it would be different for belly-busting.

As far as I am aware- There IS help for those who seek it- FREE. Most people seem to be embarassed though, and don't have the courage to go to a gym or weight loss club. I can understand why, tbh, I can see it must be hard.

Yes, the media does have a HUGE impact on how food is viewed, and I agree they should get help- I'm not saying that they shouldn't. What I'm saying is they should be prepared to try, they'll get nowhere otherwise.



This thread was supposed to be a 'Who's to blame' thread, and its turned into more of a 'How to loose weight' Thread, still a good topic none the less.