Blindly putting trust in our leader? We aren't a monarchy, we are a republic! If we didn't support Bush, then why did we reelect him president in 2004? And please don't tell me "because Americans are too stupid to figure out the real cause of 9/11" because, believe it or not, most Americans really are smart. The government wouldn't lie to us, I don't know why some of you have trouble figuring that out! There are plenty of Americans that would tell the truth if everyone else said a lie. Our government isn't as corrupt as some people believe it is. We would've prevented 9/11 if we knew it was going to happen (and yes I saw the video. I'm sure all of those things leading up to 9/11 have reasons why they occured, and it's not because of 9/11).

Finally, why are we even talking about this? It already happened and it was a sad event. No need to bring up any more sorrow and anger about it. We can't change what has already happened. Sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings, I'm just trying to express mine.

All of you who agree with this thread are hypocrites. You reprimand us for "blindly following" our leader, but when asked about the 9/11 attacks, you point to a youtube video. How are you any better than those who believe the white house statements? You watch this "Loose Chang"e and are instantly converted; you don't even take the time to confirm the statements in the video (which, might I add, are almost all false and/or taken out of context). You have no idea why you believe any of this, only that a massive government conspiracy sounds interesting to you. Grow up. You are not an enlightened group of Americans, just some people trying too hard to inform the world about how bad your government is.

RedAlert, you do make an interesting point. Have you ever had a 'gut-feeling' on some issue? Yes, i'm sure you have, and i'm also sure that that 'gut-feeling' turned out to be true. When i saw this doc. on youtube, i had the gut feeling that everything that happened surrounding nine-eleven was sudenly put into place.

Several issues were explained that have never made sence to me before. Namely:

--The damage at the Pentagon never looked like a plane had crashed into it.
--Everybody who said they 'saw a plane' could never quite agree on whether it was a private jet or a 747. Wouldn't you know?
--There is NO WAY that a fire in the TOP FLOORS of the WTC could ever bring the entire structure down in 9 seconds.
I have seen implosions before -- (the Kingdome, in Seattle) and they looked completely identical.
Even if the fire had burned the top floors to simthareens, how did it buckle the steel all the way down to ground level so that nothing was left--not even the numerous black boxes from the airplanes that are almost ALWAYS found in a crash?
--The War in Iraq is because of the failed economic take-over, and the War on Terrorism is just a smoke-screen.

I would love to see your documents that say the information presented in Loose Change was "false and/or taken out of context". Could you send me the links?

People have ways of rearranging facts and data (haven't you ever taken a class in statistics?) that can make something seem--not the way it is. indeed, it becomes an illusion. Even if every soul believes in the illusion, it dosen't make the magician infallible--he only seems infallible, because that's where he directs your attention while he's pulling strings behind your back.


Yes and you are completely right to say that the idea of a government conspiracy sounds interesting. Very astute observation of facts. Tell me something, though --Has anything ever been considered FALSE for it being INTERESTING?
That is not a logical statment to make. Interesting does not equal untrue. in fact, the opposite seems to be the precedent.

What happened to all the gold at the bottom of the WTC? It vanished. The government says it burned. I say that's stupid. Can billions of dollars of pure gold even burn? And the fire never reached the bottom floors. And yet, it burned.... Hmm.... I propose a new name for Loose Change. The Biggest Freaking Bank Robbery in History.

All i am doing (and the creators of Loose Change) is opening up the DIALOUGE for the POSSIBILITY that a conspiracy could be underway. You cannot deny that governments have not been corrupt in the past. in fact, the opposite seems to be the precedent. Those who fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it...

In the end, our 'gut feeling' is all that we have to go on. People can make up fact after fact after fact, and we can weed out the good from the bad, but in the end, we all have to start relying on OURSELVES to find the truth. The truth is usually painful, too, and that is how we grow. I hope we all keep growing.

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Did you notice the president's reaction to the attacks? He just sat there--and did nothing. Actions speak louder, my friend.

This post has been edited by kraizii88z: Apr 6 2007, 08:28 PM

Maybe I should watch the video. I'm not someone who needs to be converted, we (my wife and I) listen to Alex Jones (www.infowars.com) every morning on the internet stream and we're completely on board, but the Loose Change video says something about missing Gold? Correct me if I'm wrong here, but are they referring to the gold that was in the vault owned by the bank of Nova Scotia? I thought all that was recovered. In fact, what I'd heard was the the search for bodies was called off and everything went in to mass debris removal the day after all the gold and other contents of the vault was recovered in armored trucks. That's what disgusts many people about the very thought of Ruddy Gulliani running for President. Is that the gold you are talking about or was there other gold that came up missing? I'll go watch the video now...

This post has been edited by Watermonkey: Apr 8 2007, 01:40 AM

I dont live in U.s. but believe that there was some internal hand in the 9/11 conspiracy and yes there is some story there not told to the world

Ok. I finally watched all three parts of the video and I'm still confused about the different stories I've heard regarding the gold and diamonds recovered in the safe in the rubble. I remember perking my ears up when I saw that bit on the news at the time it happened, but I've never heard a satisfactory explanation or full disclosure of those events. One thing I've always known to be false and totally stupid is the whole cell phone call thing from the aircraft. Yeah, I know that skyphones were used in some of the [alleged] conversations, but the official story is that cell phones were used in most of them. I'm here to tell all of you: Cell phones were not used in any of those cases. As is outlined in the video (part III) and as I know from working as a technician in the wireless telecom industry, you're not going to connect a call with your cell phone from a plane flying over 200 MPH at any kind of altitude. Cell tower antennas are aimed down because that's where the users of their networks expect their phones to work. I have trouble making a call connect in an elevator in most buildings yet somehow these calls connected through the aluminum fuselages of aircraft traveling several hundred MPH at an altitude of twenty to thirty thousand feet? A cell phone call can not connect after a much smaller speed (I don't recall exactly what that speed is, if you want I'll research it, or you can do the same) because it needs time to sync up and establish a good connection. By the time this connection is established, you'd already be out of range of the tower. That one fact alone, without all the other problems with the official story, is enough to tell a thinking person there is a definite cover up. The next question should be WHY? What are they covering up they're afraid the population wouldn't like? What do they think would happen to them and their power over the sheeple if the herd woke up to their lies?

This post has been edited by Watermonkey: Apr 6 2007, 10:41 PM

Correct me if i'm wrong here, but going by Loose Change, only a million or so dollars where recovered from the vault--leaving billions to be questioned...

If we, the sheeple of the United States of America did wake up, i think we'd overthrow Bush and *hint hint* -- elect Obama

I didn't watch the videos, my computer wouldn't load them. I don't know if what you're all saying is true or not, but I'm now distressed. This is a sad, sad world. I only hope that things will be better in the future. Please, please stop arguing. I'm just really distressed now, of all this horrible stuff that goes on these days. I don't want to watch the videos... I just want all death and crime and sickness and all bad things in the world to stop...