Spirit and mind and the result of the complexity of the neural network of a human brain.
Question for you: How did God come to be? Where did God come from? And an answer like: "God has always been and will always be" is clearly not an answer, it is avoiding the question for lack of an answer.

I totally agree with no9t9. Maybe God isn't quite dead (as Friederich Nietzsche proclaimed) but in the end he will be remembered for what he is: The product of human imagination and unknowledgeability.Just like the Egyptian, Mayan, Roman, etc. ods and godesses before him.

This post has been edited by Blacklaser: Jun 14 2006, 06:51 AM

The spirit and the mind are two separate things. But, before i answer your question, i'ma ask you a question: Where did the human brain come from?

Now, to answer your question. Although my answer is incomprehensible to you. God is uncreated, He did not come from anywhere, but rather He is everywhere.

This post has been edited by truefusion: Jun 14 2006, 06:52 AM

The human brain evolved over millions of years.

Your answer doesn't make sense and there is a difference between being incomprehensible and not making any sense.

Based on the evidence each of us personally has seen and experienced we either chose to believe or not too. I chose not too, but even if I did believe in God, somebody who creates something as wicked as mankind is not somebod y I would be proud to pray too...

And to finish this off, a little Douglas Adams quote:
"I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
"But," says Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves that You exist, and so therefore, by Your own arguments, You don't. Q.E.D."
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.

This "answer" does not answer my question: Where did the human brain come from?

All it does is make me ask the very same question, again. If you will be so willing, please try to answer it.

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Now, in response to the rest of your post:
It doesn't make sense only to those who don't know how to perceive it. Most people compare and contrast things with themselves. In some cases, this would create confusion. Such is this case.

God created all that is good. Man, unfortunately, brought pain and suffering upon themselves and to things around them. Where there is freewill, there is the possibility of wickedness.

As far as proof goes: i believe because of proof. This Douglas Adams person failed to take every aspect of faith and proof. For example, all evidence that refuted Darwin's theory of evolution is proof that increases faith in believers of God. Also, the fact that the linen cloth that was wrapped around Christ Jesus's body still exists to this day, and no one has yet to make a copy of it - is just more proof. Personal experiences are also known as proof.

If you look back in time, you'll realise that Darwin had no proof for several of his theories. He debated with many because of his faith in his "discoveries". Many other "discoveries" were forgeries (e.g. "Piltdown man"). In this day and age, all who continue to believe in Darwin's theory of evolution is based on faith, not proof.

I'd like you to do some research on a couple of things: Cambrian Explosion, and living fossils.

I'll leave you with these quotes:

God is the belief of one person. As you may see there is no one Religon theree aree many, resulting in Many Gods. God is your own what you think. I would have a whole other reply if we were to talk about "the" god that we go to church to worship.



Surprised you said that because Adam and Eve were moree advanced than cavemen and cavemen were supposiedly the first of their Sons, and daughters... so, aree we downgrading so, much of that we are upgrading, kind of like when you give soda, or candy to a child that has ADHD, theey'll calm down after an overload of energy...




The mind and spirit are the ying and the yang correct? So, if thee lord balances those would he not of reached Nirvana and have become buddha?

The human brain comes from beliefs and thoughts. Thus we are createing the human brain in our discussion.

I'd say god came from our own thoughts...

This post has been edited by PierceandRichard: Jun 15 2006, 01:58 AM

[1]I guess that would be correct.
[1:2]It's possible. But, what if such a thing happened exactly when they were born?

[2]If the human brain comes from our own beliefs and thoughts, how can the spirit be the yang of the brain (since, this would mean: the brain does not exist)? Also, where are these beliefs and thoughts coming from, if they're not from the human brain? Where are they stored? Does not the brain bring about thoughts?

God created mankind... right?
and gave them freewill.. right again?
thus he also created all evil in the world because freewill allows for wickedness, thus it is his doing. Point proven, he is not somebody I would be proud to worship.

Before you disagree, how can God be creator of all, but not be responsible for the evil in the world?... either his is creator of all (good and evil, in which case I would not be proud of worshipping him) or he is not creator of all , which defies the definition of godliness thus there is no God.

To recap: IF God exists he IS responsible for all evil in existance (as well as good of course) OR there is no God.

By the way: You talk a lot about proof in your post.. and you're right for a lot of things I believe in there is no proof, but neither do you have proof... only evidence, keep that in mind... no matter how much you believe in something you just might be wrong. We both might be completely wrong, all we have is evidence and each has to interpret it in its own way and we'll most likely never know whom is right.

P.S: While evolution is not proven evidence indicates Darwins general idea is right. The difference between creationism and evolution is this: creationsim is based on an idea and poeple who believe in that idea interpret evidence in such a way as to support that idea. With Evolution it was the other way around: Darwin developed his theory after looking at evidence from an unbiased point of view, he concluded after seeing evidence. Evidence should never be made to fit a preconcluded theory, it doesn't work, the thory needs to fit the evidence not the other way around. Again I'm not saying evolution is the end all and be all, it just seems the more probable to me, I have no proof but I'm pointing out a flaw in the theory of creationism(or intelligent design).

This post has been edited by Blacklaser: Jun 15 2006, 01:19 PM

Well, first let's look back at what i said (underline added by me):

No where does that include only/exactly: "God created all." Now, after analyzing everything properly, we can see that God is not the creator of evil. God created all that is good, but what man does with this goodness can be wicked. Since everyone is responsible for their own actions, you can't really blame God for the actions of humans, since we have freewill.


I agree. But all will be made clear soon.


As a side-note: Darwin's theory isn't new, to tell you the truth. Many materialistic philosophers since acient Greece had been saying the same thing. Darwin just basically brought it "back to life". Truly, it would be quite possible for evolution to take place, but there are many things to look at. It's like a puzzle that can never be finished. I know people who believe in God, but also believe that God used evolution to bring about life, and all the species in the world. Such is quite possible, but, again, may never be proven. There are too many difficulties for both sides. It can go either way. Though, i find Darwin's theory to be struggling more than other religions, in a matter of speaking.

This post has been edited by truefusion: Jun 15 2006, 01:55 PM