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Saint_Michael
post May 4 2006, 08:04 PM
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but again though not doubting the man with the highest IQ on the planet, but its all theory though. Yes they came up with the idea's and all but they have no proof. Even if you put the all the smartest people on earth and tell them to get a time machine working that they will succed. Time travel and worm holes are nothing more then sci-fi right now. Look at it now the richest nations of the world have yet to figure out how to space travel as common as driving a car. That is one future that could happen, but to many people are talking and not listening. We know how to do space flight we know how to make a space station and people living on it for long periods of time.

The process I see it we would have to make one space station every 50,000 miles to reach the moon and thus begin building a station on the moon. Once Successful it would be time to expand on the stations and reach mars. With all this nuclear technology I don't think it would be that hard to make a space shuttle go nuclear. We know nuclear power can last a very long time and can generate alot of power, look at all these nuke subs and battleships.

If everyone would stop fighting and pool in their resources this would be all possible, heck we would have already reach mars with all the money the world be spending in the last 6 years fighting wars and stuff.

If everyone would follow what japan did after WWII and go pacifist, heck I would see us at either jupiter or saturn working on the stations.

thats a future I wouldn't mind seeing but I doubt it will ever come though. All people care about is power and money and themselves anyone else is just a bug to them.
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amit nigam
post May 4 2006, 08:15 PM
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No my dear friend its not just all thoery.
It has been proved by many mathematical models even by those scientists who have not been able to take down there own mathematical finding.
Actually the only problem that we have in proving is our capacity, or better word will be incapacity, to build those kind of machines.
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post May 4 2006, 08:47 PM
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Well first off, i would like to say that the thread has been from two+ univserses to wormholes and scientific theory.

The fact of the matter is that people have different opinions. Some people believe that the big bang theory started the universe and created the only universe. Some scientist believe that the pressure gasses and dust caused a massive explosion and they believed that started the only univerese.

Some people believe that the big bang caused our univerese and other bangs started others. And the only way to travel between universes is trough wormholes.

As for time traveling.-What does that have to do with double universe. Time travel isnt possible. If you think about it the only way to go back in time is with books. I suppose in the future scientist may figure a way to make mark points with computers then have them hooked up so that peoplego virtually back to the time moment. IT wouuld be impposible to go back in time because there i no way to send atoms back trough time
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post May 5 2006, 06:38 AM
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It all depends on what laws of physics you use. If one goes by Quantum Physics, then there is quite a bit of evidence that a multiverse does exist, maybe even that every choice that is made by every creature on earth (or random action by an object, for that matter) is different in another universe, making an infinate number of universes, each with something slightly different, such as what a certain person chose to do, who died, or even what time the universe exists in, but that is all just theory at the moment.

With building a space station every 50,000 miles, that would be inefficient, expensive, and unnecessary, not to mention improbable. A space station would have to orbit a larger body, or it would drift off. Between the Earth and the moon, gravity is so small that any space station would either fly out into space or be pulled toward one body or the other, eventually reaching speeds high enough to make the station too fast to be stopped before it would impact a body.

As for pooling of resources to reach Mars, the problem isn't just a lack of said resources, but also a lack of reason behind spending those resources. For example, WHY should we pool our resources and go to Mars? What purpose is there at the moment? True, there may be great scientific discoveries awaiting us, but what if there weren't? What if the whole Earth threw itself into a worldwide depression to get to Mars, only to drag their feet in the red dirt, unable to do anything more? This world is built, more or less, on Capitalism, and Capitalism requires a reason for everything. People don't just throw money in a pile for no reason. You may give a homeless person a dollar because you symapthise with him, but you probably wouldn't give money to people who wouldn't tell you what it was for, or if they told you that they were going to try to dig a hole to the center of the Earth. It's just not necessary.

Wormholes and black holes are still all theory. Neither has really been discovered, they are just assumed to exist.

The reason that people won't pool their money for the greater good is that humanity is, by nature, selfish, and until some society comes up with a way to completely rid themselves of that nature, we as a race will never achieve perfection (or the closest we can come to it). Would you do your job for no money, only for food, a house, and a vehicle? I know I would like some incentive - money - so that I can buy things I like and want. If you don't agree, then Communism is for you (seriously, that's how it works there).
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post May 5 2006, 04:53 PM
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By the definition posted by matto it is still possible for there to be another universe. it just takes one postulate to be feasible. that postulate would state:

There is an additional dimension to our reality beyond the three that we are free to see and move in.

This is already satisfied in our world to date. The fourth dimenson would be time or to go a little further and place the restraint that it had to be another space dimension things will still work out because we would not be able to see or move freely in this fourth dimension. Just move a slight distance along that fourth dimension axis and you are in another three dimensional space and thus another universe although it may be completely empty or infinitely small.

since this can be hard to see for four dimensions so i'll give another example in three dimension but it'll involve a move to flatland. let's imagine that we live in 2 dimensions, our flat-universe. then let's place a line perpendicular to the plane at a given point. if you move any amount in the third dimension the point is not in the plane of the universe but there is still a plane there thus there would have to be another flat-universe.
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post May 6 2006, 06:00 AM
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We don't know enough about the universe to make any predictions right now. But I still do belive that there will be more than one universe when we FINALY have the technology required to explore our universe and anything else out there.
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post May 6 2006, 05:50 PM
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QUOTE(amit nigam @ May 4 2006, 01:15 PM) *

No my dear friend its not just all thoery.
It has been proved by many mathematical models even by those scientists who have not been able to take down there own mathematical finding.
Actually the only problem that we have in proving is our capacity, or better word will be incapacity, to build those kind of machines.

No. It has been proven that if either quantom mechanics or the theory of relativity is completely true, then it is possible that what we are talking about may be true. It simply proves that at this point it shouldn't be regarded as impossible, not that it is 100% possible and probable.

QUOTE(gaurdro @ May 5 2006, 09:53 AM) *

By the definition posted by matto it is still possible for there to be another universe. it just takes one postulate to be feasible. that postulate would state:

There is an additional dimension to our reality beyond the three that we are free to see and move in.

This is already satisfied in our world to date. The fourth dimenson would be time or to go a little further and place the restraint that it had to be another space dimension things will still work out because we would not be able to see or move freely in this fourth dimension. Just move a slight distance along that fourth dimension axis and you are in another three dimensional space and thus another universe although it may be completely empty or infinitely small.

since this can be hard to see for four dimensions so i'll give another example in three dimension but it'll involve a move to flatland. let's imagine that we live in 2 dimensions, our flat-universe. then let's place a line perpendicular to the plane at a given point. if you move any amount in the third dimension the point is not in the plane of the universe but there is still a plane there thus there would have to be another flat-universe.

While that is true, we only know of ways to slow down and travel through the fourth dimension in a forward manner, not stop it nor go backwards in it. So, I guess by your post (unless I am not understanding it properly) there are infinitely many universes, one is created and destroyed every infinitely small amount of time that passes. So, even if that is true, we are still only able to be in one universe that constantly is destroyed and recreated over and over again...

Which is really the same as saying that there is only one universe. =P
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post May 7 2006, 02:59 AM
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There is no real proof that supports the concept of time being a dimension, like a line constantly being drawn that one can backtrack on. Time is simply a matter of perception. For example, if the human brain worked twice as fast, time would also seem to go twice as fast, so the day would seem to last 48 hours instead of 24, but the actual number would never really change..