I have 4 boys, two of them are teenagers. I have never had to tell them to put the toilet seat down. Maybe some things come naturally to some people. As for womens rights. I never marched in the movement. I wasnt born at that time. So thats just an excuse SOME men use to treat SOME women poorly! My boyfriend opens doors for me, brings me flowers and treats me like gold...Maybe because I treat him like the king that he is!

Although I am being totally serious, some of you have misunderstood what I mean by "equality". I am not talking about rights. Everyone should have the same rights. That is a given. Equal rights and double standards are not the same thing.

Glass ceilings are a result of DISCRIMINATION not gender related double standards. Glass ceilings do not only exist for women, they exist for minorities, disabled, and other groups.

A double standard, in regards to gender issues, is where society accepts actions taken by one gender while denouncing those same actions by the opposite gender.

Why should men have to put the toilet seat down? I have yet to hear ONE good reason. Why is it acceptable for women to leave the seat down while it is unacceptable for men to leave it up? Are women really THAT stupid that they would sit down on the toilet before looking to see if the seat is down? Men, have to sit down to take a "no. 2"... I have yet to hear about a man who has "fallen in"... why is it that men don't fall in but women do?

It was also mentioned that a couple does things for each other because they love each other. But, the underlying issue is still there. Certain "things" are expected to be done by one gender over the other. Don't try to tell me these expectations don't exist. They are there.

Chivalry dead? I say women killed it. Women have been sending mixed messages about what they want all along. How can Chivalry exist when men are critisized no matter what they do?

Bottom line is Women say one thing and want another. Ask ANY guy and they will agree.

Well if you want to be general isint that the same thing as men saying they want love when all they really want is sex? *Yawn* Im the type of woman that if a guy left the seat up I would just put it down. I dont sweat the small stuff and in life its mostly small stuff *grin*

SOLUTION: get your own toilet

Females here never complains when I leave the toilet seat up. I've taken a dump with the toilet seat up too and it's not bad at all.

I never mentioned the 'toilet seat' in my post, did I?

no9t9's comment is very comprehensive about equality as demanded by women and we shold not restrict it to a sultry toilet seat. It is just an example and let us take it as an example only.

I don't care whether guys leave the toilet seat up or not, it only takes a couple of seconds to put the lid back down again anyway so I don't see what all the fuss is about. The only thing that annoys me is when guys that comes to my house and use our toilet, sometimes they get some of their pee all on the floor, I mean seriously, is it that hard to aim in the toilet bowl?

I'm not commenting on the issue itself, just coming up with a reason why you might want to put the seat down (This is assuming women always sit and men sit some of the time.):
The majority of times a toilet is used, the user will be sitting down. Which should be an okay argument for putting the seat down when you're done.

Tadaah.


Anyway, on to the issue. I think it wouldn't hurt people to check whether the seat is down before sitting down. And if someone complains, just ask if they would prefer that you don't put it up at all, even when peeing. I'm sure they'll stop complaining



Edit: Could some mod please do something painful to Tduyloc? He's been spamming all over the place.

I was in stitches when I read that some people have almost fallen in when they've gone to the loo. I've never heard that one before...

Anyway, I'm a bloke and I leave it down... *shrug* ... and I have no idea why. I think asking why women seem to go insane over the toilet seat, is the same as asking why men seem to go insane over the remote...

When I say women say one thing and want another, I am talking about how cryptic they are. I've heard it so many times. Example, woman says to her man... "you never bring me flowers anymore". Man brings her flowers. The woman is not satisfied because she didn't really want flowers, she wanted the guy to pay more attention to her. Why not just say "I feel neglected, please pay more attention to me" ?