@truefusion - FYI, DNA tests only work if you have a sample to compare the child's DNA with, but people can refuse to give a DNA sample, which certainly indicates some sort of guilt, right? And that's somewhat easier to do if you're in a small town, but in a metropolis like Los Angeles, there are hundreds of thousands of people in the surrounding areas, so how would they test everyone?

I don't think that this law is a very good one because as Mermaid indicated, it allows women to go through the entire process of pregnancy and birth without suffering the consequences of that action. There are low-cost abortion clinics and family planning centers that distribute free condoms and low-cost contraceptives, but women are too ashamed or unaware of these centers. We have also had a string of unwanted babies found in dumpsters in my area, including a college student!, or that infamous prom attendant that had the baby in the bathroom stall and tried to flush it down the toilet. While I disagree with the law, it does seem much better for the baby to be handed to a hospital or public serviceperson rather than simply being left to die.

I know I'll probably get chewed out for saying this, but as much as our society has improved concerning orphans and unwanted children, it is still far from the desirable situation for a child to grow up in. The foster system is still subject to abuse and mistreatment of children, the majority of whom never get placed with a family. Aside from that, the adoption process is so lengthy, in-depth, and costly that people are much more willing to buy a baby from a third-world country or on the black market than go through the proper channels. While I agree that there should be restrictions and such in place to ensure that the child will be going to safe and worthy parents, there should be some sort of happy medium where the people only have so many hoops to jump through; otherwise, the system deters people who would be great parents but can't necessarily afford all the legal work that goes with adoption. So if we're accepting this law, there should really be more improvements to the Social Services bureaucracy. But I think that's a given.

As to the problem of girls becoming sexually active at a young age, I believe the change needs to come from other places besides school, which is so bogged down by rules and regulations that sex ed is rather laughable. For the most part, education starts at home, but girls get mixed messages because their parents and religion tell them one thing, and the media and popular culture tell them another. And when they get to puberty and adolescence, most kids have stopped listening to their parents and have started to explore their own boundaries and begun to think more independently from their parents' conditioning. If the media changed, then we would see girls' behavior change as well.

I just couldn't believe that he/she never heard of that before! The news makes a HUGE deal out of it. But yes, like tiki said they must have a sample of DNA to compare the child's DNA to.

That's my point. Yes I'd be embarrased to walk into a family planning center and pick up free condoms, maybe because i live in a semi small town and everybody knows everybody's business. All actions should have consiquences. But like i said in my previous posts, it is a good alternitive to abortion I.E. if you are a rape victum, especially now that studies show that he fetus can actually feel the burn of an abortion. And yes, a much better alternitive to being left to die.



Oh no tiki, You're absolutely right! In my town, there are tons of foster kids, and i know won family who has like seven kids that are foster children, and they live TWO DOORS DOWN from a sex offender. I know they are not taking care of the children because it's a good thing to do, they are doing it for the major cash benifits that come along with it... But how on earth is it not illegal to live two doors down from a SEX OFFENDER if you have SEVEN FOSTER CHILDREN?!? I totally agree with you tiki.



Hahaha I remember sex ed at my school... It was such a joke. I'll never forget when the instructor said, "Don't do it. Sex is fun, and sex feels good. But don't do it." And I will also never forget the D-Hall I had to do for laughing at it... oh well. The media is liberal. Enough said. See, If everybody listened to Fox News Channel than we wouldn't have so many problems, IN MY OPINION. Also, another reason for it is guy can trick girls who don't think they are very pretty or have low self confidence into having sex with them, and alot of time, (since i think there is an age limit on buying condoms, im not sure because i never did it LMAO) it goes unprotected.

Assuming interest in the child's life is not short-lived: People do blood drives. People go to the doctor and get check-ups. I'd use the media here, make them have some kind of report that'll incline people to give blood and go to the doctor for a check up of this kind. Yes, there's a chance that these people may not go and this process may take long, but this may help get a large amount of people to give out samples and cases tend to take a while to solve anyways. But you may not really need a DNA sample. The hospitals should have records on how the child looks and who was the parent that gave birth.


[1]This law doesn't necessarily mean that they won't suffer the consequences, it just means they won't suffer any consequences from the designated places. For they may never hear the end of it from their families, and who knows if this'll look bad on their Judgment.
[2]Err, isn't abortion similar to leaving the child in a dumpster? Isn't it the same as flushing a baby down the toilet? You're doing the same thing: you're putting an end to the child's life at the will of the parent(s). I find this site quite interesting: http://www.abort73.com/ a little warning, by the way, about what you might see is not for those who have a weak stomach and heart, and it requires the flash player plug-in.


It appears that people are both willing to take in children from third-world countries and the black market and from foster care centers whether or not these people care for the child and whether or not there is paper work involved. And if legal work that goes with adoption is a financial burden on those who want to adopt, i would expect it to be worse if the system were to improve. For that may mean more taxes to provide for these improvements to these services and or more money out the the pockets of those who want to adopt. But i'm not sure how much of a financial burden it really is for these people, i mean, take a look at Mermaid's quote. That family has 7 foster children. Either these people are rich or are "rich" now.

Though i agree that the world requires a lot of improvement, people just won't put the effort into it if it takes a lot out of their wallet or purse (if it doesn't help them).

As for the sex offender living two doors down, there is a way to have the sex offender move from the location and be forced to live in an area that is not around children.


Of course assuming that the parents are able to properly teach their children about things like these and not promote foolish actions. And God forbid teachers like mentioned below (in Mermaid's quote) should tell these parents how to teach their children about this stuff. And if the media plays a major role in these children's lives, then it is obvious that the parents are not being the parents that they should be.

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To clear things up: i'm a he , and i don't watch T.V. unless i see bad weather heading my way. When i watch T.V., i actually feel my brain cells die.


Even good ones? No, right? For that wouldn't be called "consequences," it would be called a "reward."

I'm not sure where you live, but here in America, it's illegal to take a sample of DNA without consent unless it's from a crime scene. Not everyone can afford to go to the doctor for check-ups, nor do labs code DNA for routine blood samples. And have you honestly seen a baby after it's born? Children sometimes look nothing like their parents. My friend's baby was pale skinned when she was born, but my friend and her boyfriend are black. The baby didn't start getting her skin tone until a few weeks after being born.

I'm guessing that the kind of woman who could do this isn't concerned about her soul. However, having a child out of wedlock seems to be much more accepted in our main culture. For a woman to "dispose" of a baby in a trash can or down a toilet means that she was desperate and couldn't afford the means to have an abortion or was too afraid of what would happen if someone found out. Some women don't have the fortitude to withstand the judgment of narrow-minded people.

According to the decision of Roe v. Wade, abortion is legal in the United States. Aborting a fetus or embryo is considered an acceptable practice since it cannot exist outside the mother's uterus. A baby is a living, breathing being that can exist without the mother's support by means of formula and care from someone else. In the eyes of the law, these two things are different. Anything else is between the woman and her god or gods, and it is not our place to pass judgment.

That doesn't put food on the table or a roof over their heads or clothes on their backs. If you have not been through the process or been with someone going through it, you can't know how frustratingly painful it is and how tempting it is to just shuck the whole thing. My friends were lucky enough to have one child naturally after many, many attempts, but after the wife miscarried for the fourth time after their little girl was born, she couldn't take the heartache anymore, so they looked into adoption. They were almost awarded their child, but at the last minute, the mother changed her mind. It was like having the miscarriage all over again.
The media isn't restricted to TV. It's in books, magazines, movies, and advertisements. Women are told to act and dress a certain way and men are told to treat women a certain way. I fully believe that if women were not so objectified, then they would be cherished and respected and we would have less cases of rape, less underage sex as girls try to secure the affection of a boy because that's what they've been told gives them worth, and a much more happy society. Unfortunately, sex sells and since men aren't willing to objectify themselves and women have been conditioned since before time began, then our sex must suffer.

[1]I live in the states as well, but i don't care about laws that prevent justice.
[2]This is where blood drives and [3 (my response to it)] would help.
[2:2]This is one of the reasons why i took up the assumption that the interest in the child's life is not short lived, because i know that child has little to no hope in receiving justice after death (if not found alive) in this life.
[3]I did not say to compare and contrast the child with their parent(s).


[1]I beg to differ: [2].
[3]Then the Baby Moses Law would be just in this case, for it asks no questions and makes no comments.


[1]The only difference i see is that one living being is inside an enclosed area and the other living being is outside that area. In the end, they're both a living being. This decision and law, of which i already knew of, does not have a good excuse.
[2]You can't save without making some kind of judgment.


[1]Wait, what doesn't? You've lost me here... And context doesn't help.
[2]Yeah, your friends were lucky from their experience, and you provide their story which proves the first part of my statement. For everyone needs a reason to do something whether or not their intentions were pure.


[1]Sorry. I didn't mean to imply that it was limited to T.V. alone. I just mentioned what i thought was widely used or, to be more precise, what i have found to be most effective (but this is limited to my observation).
[2]Unfortunately, the ones that are willing to cause a change for the good have no power, and if they did, they may become corrupt or taken out of power.