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 Feb 3 2005, 05:40 AM
I have 4 boys, two of them are teenagers. I have never had to tell them to put the toilet seat down. Maybe some things come naturally to some people. As for womens rights. I never marched in the movement. I wasnt born at that time. So thats just an excuse SOME men use to treat SOME women poorly! My boyfriend opens doors for me, brings me flowers and treats me like gold...Maybe because I treat him like the king that he is! 
 
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#12
Feb 3 2005, 05:50 AM
Although I am being totally serious, some of you have misunderstood what I mean by "equality". I am not talking about rights. Everyone should have the same rights. That is a given. Equal rights and double standards are not the same thing. Glass ceilings are a result of DISCRIMINATION not gender related double standards. Glass ceilings do not only exist for women, they exist for minorities, disabled, and other groups. A double standard, in regards to gender issues, is where society accepts actions taken by one gender while denouncing those same actions by the opposite gender. Why should men have to put the toilet seat down? I have yet to hear ONE good reason. Why is it acceptable for women to leave the seat down while it is unacceptable for men to leave it up? Are women really THAT stupid that they would sit down on the toilet before looking to see if the seat is down? Men, have to sit down to take a "no. 2"... I have yet to hear about a man who has "fallen in"... why is it that men don't fall in but women do? It was also mentioned that a couple does things for each other because they love each other. But, the underlying issue is still there. Certain "things" are expected to be done by one gender over the other. Don't try to tell me these expectations don't exist. They are there. Chivalry dead? I say women killed it. Women have been sending mixed messages about what they want all along. How can Chivalry exist when men are critisized no matter what they do? Bottom line is Women say one thing and want another. Ask ANY guy and they will agree.
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#13
Feb 3 2005, 05:58 AM
QUOTE(no9t9 @ Feb 3 2005, 05:50 AM) Although I am being totally serious, some of you have misunderstood what I mean by "equality". I am not talking about rights. Everyone should have the same rights. That is a given. Equal rights and double standards are not the same thing. Glass ceilings are a result of DISCRIMINATION not gender related double standards. Glass ceilings do not only exist for women, they exist for minorities, disabled, and other groups. A double standard, in regards to gender issues, is where society accepts actions taken by one gender while denouncing those same actions by the opposite gender. Why should men have to put the toilet seat down? I have yet to hear ONE good reason. Why is it acceptable for women to leave the seat down while it is unacceptable for men to leave it up? Are women really THAT stupid that they would sit down on the toilet before looking to see if the seat is down? Men, have to sit down to take a "no. 2"... I have yet to hear about a man who has "fallen in"... why is it that men don't fall in but women do? It was also mentioned that a couple does things for each other because they love each other. But, the underlying issue is still there. Certain "things" are expected to be done by one gender over the other. Don't try to tell me these expectations don't exist. They are there. Chivalry dead? I say women killed it. Women have been sending mixed messages about what they want all along. How can Chivalry exist when men are critisized no matter what they do? Bottom line is Women say one thing and want another. Ask ANY guy and they will agree. [right][snapback]46189[/snapback][/right] Well if you want to be general isint that the same thing as men saying they want love when all they really want is sex? *Yawn* Im the type of woman that if a guy left the seat up I would just put it down. I dont sweat the small stuff and in life its mostly small stuff *grin*
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#14
Feb 3 2005, 06:31 AM
SOLUTION: get your own toilet Females here never complains when I leave the toilet seat up. I've taken a dump with the toilet seat up too and it's not bad at all.
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#15
Feb 3 2005, 06:33 AM
QUOTE(googlue) Absolutely correct, well said! no9t9, you have really made one of the best statements by a man on women's rights I have ever seen. Something like this has always been there in my mind, but it was never expressed this explicitly! Thank you Googlue [right][snapback]46136[/snapback][/right] QUOTE(grrlfromoz @ Feb 3 2005, 10:51 AM) Oh please don't tell me you're turning toilet seats into an equal rights issue! [right][snapback]46136[/snapback][/right] I never mentioned the 'toilet seat' in my post, did I? no9t9's comment is very comprehensive about equality as demanded by women and we shold not restrict it to a sultry toilet seat. It is just an example and let us take it as an example only.
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#16
Feb 3 2005, 07:19 AM
I don't care whether guys leave the toilet seat up or not, it only takes a couple of seconds to put the lid back down again anyway so I don't see what all the fuss is about. The only thing that annoys me is when guys that comes to my house and use our toilet, sometimes they get some of their pee all on the floor, I mean seriously, is it that hard to aim in the toilet bowl?
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#17
Feb 3 2005, 11:04 AM
QUOTE(no9t9 @ Feb 3 2005, 06:50 AM) Why should men have to put the toilet seat down? I have yet to hear ONE good reason. I'm not commenting on the issue itself, just coming up with a reason why you might want to put the seat down (This is assuming women always sit and men sit some of the time.): The majority of times a toilet is used, the user will be sitting down. Which should be an okay argument for putting the seat down when you're done. Tadaah. Anyway, on to the issue. I think it wouldn't hurt people to check whether the seat is down before sitting down. And if someone complains, just ask if they would prefer that you don't put it up at all, even when peeing. I'm sure they'll stop complaining  Edit: Could some mod please do something painful to Tduyloc? He's been spamming all over the place.
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#18
Feb 3 2005, 01:30 PM
I was in stitches when I read that some people have almost fallen in when they've gone to the loo. I've never heard that one before... Anyway, I'm a bloke and I leave it down... *shrug* ... and I have no idea why. I think asking why women seem to go insane over the toilet seat, is the same as asking why men seem to go insane over the remote...
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#19
Feb 3 2005, 04:22 PM
QUOTE(Cammy @ Feb 3 2005, 01:58 AM) Well if you want to be general isint that the same thing as men saying they want love when all they really want is sex? *Yawn* Im the type of woman that if a guy left the seat up I would just put it down. I dont sweat the small stuff and in life its mostly small stuff *grin* [right][snapback]46193[/snapback][/right] When I say women say one thing and want another, I am talking about how cryptic they are. I've heard it so many times. Example, woman says to her man... "you never bring me flowers anymore". Man brings her flowers. The woman is not satisfied because she didn't really want flowers, she wanted the guy to pay more attention to her. Why not just say "I feel neglected, please pay more attention to me" ? Men say they want love to GET sex. The difference is that men are LYING when they say this. They aren't trying to be "subtle" or cryptic about the meaning of thier message. Next, some (proabably many) think that LOVE=SEX and SEX=LOVE!! To women this is not true but to men it is... So, I don't really see the contradiction... Also, I'm glad you can see past the toilet seat cause it is a really stupid thing to get annoyed at. CHECK THE SEAT BEFORE SITTING DOWN! Simple. I do it all the time. As for peeing on the floor.. do you really want to know why?
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#20
Feb 3 2005, 05:06 PM
I have had problems with men who dont appreciate a woman such as myself who is direct and speak my mind. It funny when some men say women dont say what they mean but when they meet one they have all sorts of colourful descriptive words for them....just a thought. When my boyfriend buys me flowers, he does so on occasion and not when I expect it. Thats what I want I appreciate them. I keep the petals and put them in glasses, they remind me of his good heart. There are other things that he does that are just as important. Like appreciating the meal I cooked washing up the dishes. He cooks too and I love it. We are both givers...When a giver dates a taker...watch out! You better run fast if you are the giver. We treat our relationship like a friendship and then some. It surprises me that some people dont give their partner the same and more respect they do with their friends. Thats part of the problem RESPECT....( Sing Along) My boyfriend has no problem with me speaking my mind and telling it like it is, he finds it refreshing. I dont appreciate fakes, women and men alike. I have never had this toilet seat problem. A his and hers bathroom may be the solution LOL. I must say that anyone who does something on PURPOSE, whether it be a seat up or socks on the floor, empty milk cartons, knowing full well that it bothers the other person ( cause we all have quirks) its disrespectful, spiteful and should seriously consider why they want to be in a relationship at all. A relationship is about putting aside small differences. The man is no better than the women if a toilet seat becomes an issue. Maybe the guy doesnt like the pretty fully pink cover on the seat.. Yeah thats it *wink* Life's too short! I wish those with this problem the best of luck! * chuckles* Now back to my get rich quick scheme
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