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Oct 21 2005, 05:05 PM
QUOTE(blx @ Oct 21 2005, 10:08 AM) it would help resolve some problems like world hunger. but we have to controll it and ourselfs to not let "matrix" happen. there is a very thin line between good and evil in this toppic... [right][snapback]197055[/snapback][/right] I think there is a lot of confusion about AI. Originally it simply meant: reasoned conclusion of facts by an non-living entitiy. like a computer. Something that is created by humans, and but which either gathers its information by itself or starts with some given information, but can interact with humans in a way that give the impression of intelligence and understanding. Important here is the word impression of. The "oldest" test is the so called Turing test - from the Scott who developed one of the first computers - he programmed something called Elsa, that could ask you questions like -how are you and would react to the answers in a seemingly coherent way. This method is still being used. Can a machine fool a human into assuming it is a human? Another big example is of course Chess. One of the most famous battles - Kasparov vs. Deep Blue was of human against machines, the computer making seemingly intelligent moves and winning in the end. The problem with intelligence is of course, is there a consciousness of the intelligence and can the intelligence be used in a different situation. f.e Kasparov could probably beat Deep Blue right after that match in a game of Backgammon, because the computer is not programmed to play backgammon. And even though Kasparov is not an expert, he would probably have enough basic intelligence to play decent enough to beat the computer. Equally there was a race of computerised cars in Palo Alto, California. They raced for more than 200 miles without human interaction. This is another example of artifical intelligence. But again, how good would this car be at playing chess. You might think that is a stupid question, but untill computer can a)programme themselves, b ) build themselves c) build the machines that are necessary to build themselves d)learn from mistakes (ok not all human can do that either) e)ignore unimportant side information. There is no way we will be replaced by a single machine in the near future. Some AI that is supposed to make our life easier is in my thinking downright annoying. Clippy, the magic helper in Microsoft Word is another example of AI gone totally wrong. If I need help I tell you that I need help. <pling> I think you are writing a letter</pling> NOOOO! <pling> I think you want to insert the date here</pling> GO AWAY. hope this helps |
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#12
Oct 21 2005, 05:41 PM
hahah. Oh my god, that would be so crazy! I would be all like a robot activist trying to stop the violence. =p Yeah, but wouldn't the thought of discovering life on a planet be a bit more interesting? |
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#13
Oct 21 2005, 06:23 PM
at the end of the day Artificial Intelligence would turn againest us since we will make them to intelligent. then they will question why do they take orders from mere mortals?
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Oct 22 2005, 12:18 AM
QUOTE then they will question why do they take orders from mere mortals? Why? Why don't you kill your mom? AI is a great part of HUMAN activity and plays important rule in tomorrows science. There will be things (acctualy there are things right now), that need AI. OCAC said: QUOTE Important here is the word impression of. And I would put importance on: reasoned conclusion of facts by an non-living entitiy Here is an example of AI: www.alicebot.org QUOTE But do you think will it help mankind if a real human like robot is built with complete AI like a real human This is FAR away from achieving. We, humans, don't even know how our brains work (we know only about 3% of it's functions, I think). Anyway, there is a lot more to be done in neuro science, before we can pass onto creating humanoid robots. QUOTE Or will it create a disater like shown in hollywood flick IROBOT I Robot is a book by Isaac Asimov. Great guy (was), who writes about a lot of interesting things. I've read his book called "Colapsing Universe", and it's great (despite the year it was published, 1974, I think, cant remmeber) but I haven't reat "I robot" yet. I've never heard about the movie, so I might look for that too. |
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Oct 22 2005, 06:17 AM
I remember seeing somewhere that the Japanese have commercially developed a robot who is capable of recognizing people and holding conversation with them. I think its price was around $3,000 and he can do chores and protect the house by detecting intruders and sending you video feed or message to you cell phone. What do you all think about that? Do you think its worth it for the price? I think that in a few more years we are going to have, (what was the jetsons maid name?)... whatever... We are going to have these type of robots in our houses.
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#16
Oct 22 2005, 03:00 PM
IT depends as long as we keep some basic control over the Artifiical 'Beings' (read: Things) then I cant see it going wrong, you know something along the lines of an off switch so if it started maiming innocent people we could just switch it off. This might seem to defeat the object but I dont think the should have emotions, I mean I don't want ny kitchen appliances suddenly not working cause I forgot it was its 1 year 'anniversary' or something like that. So yeah aslong as the people making them have ultimate control I really don't see why it should all go IROBOT on us. And on a little side note seeing as it was mentioned: whats up with the Matrix, why would they want to escape an nice albeit fake world where there are no machines trying to liquify their brains, and they don't have to eat slop in a can.
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Oct 22 2005, 08:00 PM
Robots with the ai at the level in a movie like I Robot are not going to be around any time soon, so as far as I'm concerned, I'll be dead before I have to worry about killer robots that take over the world. In the meantime, it would be nice to have a cleaning robot that cooks and does the dishes... Oh well. Maybe next century
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Oct 23 2005, 07:17 PM
I believe that if we built an AI society then we would come to depend to much upon them. If all of the sudden there was found to be a very bad programming glitch or something like that then what would we do. We would already be to dependent upon these things that we would scarecly be able to go back to work again or anything like that. Or another thing is if they got to smart and started wondering why they had to take orders from us do you know what kind of army that would be likly to create. AI is bad and it may help us to a degree but we can't let it take over all aspects of out lives.
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#19
Oct 23 2005, 08:44 PM
Well ai Are around there are robots that can do things without a human interface... such as walk around a house... and not crash into walls.. but thats about what we have right now... such as the roombot or w/e the vacum thingy thats out by sharper image... but heh thats one of them... Nasa already has this stuff for the missions on mars with the rovers... be casue they time relay was too great that the robot had to be albe to think on its own so it wouldnt run into a rock or fall down a clif... so Nasa has some AI but they are very simple ones and cant talk or do chores for us and that *BLEEP*... also the irobot thing can happen but very unlikely.... because we would be programing the robots ourselves... and we cna program them not to thing of one thing our another... The 3 laws could happen and could work well but we would have to make sure "viky" cant take control... and we have a better way of stoping it... i say we solve the gas problem first and get hydrogen cars working first... then lets get AI going lol... |
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#20
Oct 24 2005, 01:24 AM
The huge risk with a topic like true AI is that humans will abuse it. You know that the gov't would use it for war. It's a guarantee. And chances are that it wouldn't be a robot war, but a war on humans with robots as the weapon. If you dropped 10 internal combustion style robots on an unsuspecting country, the impact would be devastating. You tell them to destroy everything in sight, and they do until they run out of gas. Then you go in, pick them up, and voila, no more little enemy. I know this sounds far fetched but it is actually very close to being a possibility now. Robots are incredibly strong and they can see humans as humans, cars as cars, and that's all they really need. Detect a threat and irradicate it. Shadow has developed a hand that would have no problem pulling a trigger, and there are others out there. There was also a British engineer who built a robot (supposedly) from the mini cooper. It was like 18 feet tall and looked like a transformer. His research pages can be found here. This has been attacked by a few people as a hoax, but there have been sightings in the area that he was supposed to be working, and the videos are pretty convincing. I don't know.. I think that AI is a huge risk to humans simply because of the fact that we are destructive by nature. |
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