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 Jun 21 2008, 06:34 PM
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Premium Member  Group: [HOSTED] Posts: 161 Joined: 3-March 06 From: Turkiye Member No.: 19,443  |
Years ago... I was surfing through web, chating with people. Anyway, someone was wrong and I had to correct him :P So we exchanged messages then I learned he's a middle aged man. That hit me. To that point, in my mind he too also a teenager. So I kinda fell remorse, I felt like i acted disrecpectull to an elder.
Just think about it, our minds cant talk to a monitor so we create an avatar for the people we talk on web. But because we know so little things about them, our mind copies our own identity. So that's why we are absolutely equal on web. It doesnt matter if your partner is rich or poor, black or white, educated or a high school drop out, older or younger. Until the point he/she tells you, in your mind he/she is the same person as you are. On web we are all anonymous, so we are all equal. We can all talk both without fear or without prejudices. You cant be racist to someone anonymous. Lets get back to my original example. In that year, I was young and shy... I couldnt argue with older people but on web it doesnt matter. Did you catch my drift? So you may show me web sites like Facebook or Hi5 where people put their real ID. But well... these web sites arent for discussions. The forums are still alive! And you may also say anonymous are resulted in E-thugs. People who talks like "noob, f-ck u" or upload shity videos who bash many things. Well, that's the result of equallty. In real life that e-thug is acting normal because he's afraid of your muscles. He would talk like that in RL too if he had same power as you. What do you think? |
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Jun 21 2008, 08:05 PM
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apt-get moo  Group: [MODERATOR] Posts: 2,102 Joined: 28-May 05 From: Hertfordshire, England Member No.: 7,593  |
When I'm on the Internet, I treat everyone as they treat me. If someone is polite to me then I will treat them with the same respect, regardless of age. If someone is rude to me then I'm likely to be less polite back, or to just ignore them
 Feeling that I've been disrespectful doesn't enter my mind; if I treat people as they treat me then they cannot complain.QUOTE On web we are all anonymous, so we are all equal. A great power to us all, but one that some people are determined to remove.QUOTE And you may also say anonymous are resulted in E-thugs. People who talks like "noob, f-ck u" or upload shity videos who bash many things. Those people get no respect from me. I'm all for freedom of expression, but at least do it vaguely intelligently; just swearing and insulting people is not a reasoned debate, but a cop-out when you haven't got a real argument. |
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Jun 21 2008, 08:16 PM
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Premium Member Group: [HOSTED] Posts: 161 Joined: 3-March 06 From: Turkiye Member No.: 19,443 |
QUOTE(rvalkass @ Jun 21 2008, 11:05 PM)  When I'm on the Internet, I treat everyone as they treat me. If someone is polite to me then I will treat them with the same respect, regardless of age. If someone is rude to me then I'm likely to be less polite back, or to just ignore them :P Feeling that I've been disrespectful doesn't enter my mind; if I treat people as they treat me then they cannot complain. I think I couldnt able to express myself. Hmm, let me use different words. I was a child. You know what they teach to kids. Respect your elders. So... can you engage into debate with your elders while you are kid. Well, some do. Anyway, that isnt the point. The point is the internet realeses all the fear and pre-occupution of the person. QUOTE(rvalkass @ Jun 21 2008, 11:05 PM) I'm all for freedom of expression, but at least do it vaguely intelligently; just swearing and insulting people is not a reasoned debate, but a cop-out when you haven't got a real argument. Well, equallty isnt about intelligent or debates. What I meant there is, what would be real life look like if we can manage to bring real equallty. Because I say the internet has the real equallty and we see the results there. I wanna make a little poll, survey. Have you ever chated with a (if you are white insert black or vice versa) without knowing his/her race and when he/she show you his/her photo you surprised a little: ohhh he's not white (or insert black) This post has been edited by Janissary: Jun 21 2008, 08:26 PM |
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Jun 23 2008, 05:58 AM
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Member [Level 2] Group: [HOSTED] Posts: 80 Joined: 2-April 08 Member No.: 60,229 |
Well, not exactly. Not everyone remains equal in the internet. Quick reference are the mods and admins. They maintain a higher status then you do. But talking about everyone else. I guess is not really equality, its just that we do not care the age of the other person or our modality as we do when we speak in front of someone else.
QUOTE(Janissary) Years ago... I was surfing through web, chating with people. Anyway, someone was wrong and I had to correct him
So we exchanged messages then I learned he's a middle aged man. That hit me. To that point, in my mind he too also a teenager. So I kinda fell remorse, I felt like i acted disrecpectull to an elder.Just think about it, our minds cant talk to a monitor so we create an avatar for the people we talk on web. But because we know so little things about them, our mind copies our own identity. So that's why we are absolutely equal on web. It doesnt matter if your partner is rich or poor, black or white, educated or a high school drop out, older or younger. Until the point he/she tells you, in your mind he/she is the same person as you are. On web we are all anonymous, so we are all equal. We can all talk both without fear or without prejudices. You cant be racist to someone anonymous. Lets get back to my original example. In that year, I was young and shy... I couldnt argue with older people but on web it doesnt matter. Did you catch my drift? So you may show me web sites like Facebook or Hi5 where people put their real ID. But well... these web sites arent for discussions. The forums are still alive! And you may also say anonymous are resulted in E-thugs. People who talks like "noob, f-ck u" or upload shity videos who bash many things. Well, that's the result of equallty. In real life that e-thug is acting normal because he's afraid of your muscles. He would talk like that in RL too if he had same power as you. What do you think? This post has been edited by gaspe86: Jun 23 2008, 06:01 AM |
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Jun 23 2008, 10:03 AM
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Super Member Group: [HOSTED] Posts: 395 Joined: 8-January 08 From: UK - Kent Member No.: 55,950 |
Why should age matter? , my gran is coming up to 70 and she is the most Racist good for nothing waste of space ever.
I hate her. not only that she is horrible to everyone who she doesn't have a vendetta against, and I know this is a multi cultural board so I wont mention any of the truly horrible things she says but in my lifetime she has managed to insult "Anyone Muslim, Anyone not "English" living in England, Idian people, South Africans, French, Spanish, turkish" and the list goes on. So should you treat her with respect, no , i don't think so when she has frankly wrong ideas about people she's never even spoken to! |
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Jun 23 2008, 08:35 PM
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Premium Member Group: [HOSTED] Posts: 161 Joined: 3-March 06 From: Turkiye Member No.: 19,443 |
Kobra, you are talking off topic. That was an example, Im not talking about neither elders nor respect.
Gaspe, you're right about admins. I havent thought about them. But talking about everyone else, I dont think it's "I dont care" attidue but more "imagining a reflection of ourself". But that's my thought. |
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Jun 24 2008, 05:21 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 7 Joined: 24-June 08 From: China Member No.: 64,087 |
I think that to an extent, yes we are 'equal'. I don't know the background of the person who I'm talking to, they could be lying for all I knew.
However, I think that human nature applies, and we're not truely equal, even on the internet. You will always have people you dislike on the internet (even if you don't know them, just judging them from what/how they type), and there's no way to avoid 'groups' on the internet. Even if they aren't, uh... Admins or such, there'll always be people who think that people who have been there longer/posted more, or their friends rank higher than someone you just meet online. I feel like, yes, you can get some semblance of racial equality on the internet, but once anonymity goes out the window, we're no longer equal. Uh... Did I make any sense, or was I just missing the point? :/ |
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Jun 24 2008, 05:49 AM
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Advanced Member Group: [HOSTED] Posts: 105 Joined: 10-June 08 From: Greece Member No.: 63,457 |
This "internet" you're talking about.
No flaming, no trolling, no racism, no people making other people's lives harder. Everybody being equal on the internet can't be achieved easily. You need to change the hearts of everyone using it. Their minds. Their beliefs. Sure, a forum can be equal like this: if it's famous for some reason, so much that people want to join it so bad, moderators can ban whoever break the rules. I'm not talking about temporary. I'm talking about Permanent IP ban. This will make everyone learn the rules. This way the community will form up nicely. Disclaimer: If I just described a forum that exists, I didn't do it on purpose. |
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