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post Oct 16 2007, 04:01 PM
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did u heard that intel had put on sell market the new processors with 4 and 5 cores? yay thats expensive
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post Oct 16 2007, 09:30 PM
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Quad Core processors are not that new been out since Core 2 processors, which is like 2-3 years. Although a 5 core processor is a new one on me though I think I saw an article or two about an 8 core processor or something like that. However, this article has a very interesting title to it.
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post Oct 16 2007, 10:21 PM
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Don't even bother upgrading to quad core if in 5 years an 80-core processor is pledged. tongue.gif

I'm sort of confused in a slight bit as to why there's a 5-core processor. Usually hardware counts are in powers of 2... which would give me the idea that we would start with 1 core, then 2, then 4, then 8, then 16...

Then again, if they can squeeze it in, that's great.

I did see an octocore processor by Intel on NewEgg one day. I think it was selling for $400 or $800... can't remember. It was insanely expensive though.
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post Oct 16 2007, 10:35 PM
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I'm stealing this comment because it sounded cool. biggrin.gif

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This is a super computer on a chip. This is not SIMD, this is not SOC or an upgrade to core-duo x40. This is a change to the design of a single processor to one that is intended to include multiple cores where the software is expecting multiple cores.

C|Net has focused on the memory per core as the big issue. They are right to be impressed by it, but they fail to see the big picture as to why this memory is there. Each core is expected to perform dozens, hundreds or thousands of operations on that set of data. Some of these operations may be to make that data available to instructions being performed by another core. Splitting the data is part of the design change and software will need to know where it sends data in a multi-core chip and where it's instructions are being run to optimize data access.

Some people complain that 20GB of RAM might not be enough. They say that the system will allow more RAM because that makes sense. No it won't! You will not want to pool all of your system RAM into one place accessed by any of these 80 cores. It is a performance hit to multi-core systems to share that RAM. Some of this will be seen with one CPU performing an operation on data held by RAM attached to another CPU. In this case only two CPUs are held up instead of all 80. Loading data from outside the CPU to have a core perform operations on will slow this system down in the same way that a page file hit slows a current Windows system. It's the difference in 2 vs. 80 operations.

Software that runs on Tera-Scale processors would know how to split tasks and memory between cores. The Operating System will need to understand to give a set of cores to an application so it has enough RAM and processing power to get it's jobs done. You could see 20 cores doing the same operation on sets of data (SIMD). Then at the same time 10 cores doing a different set of instructions on a shared set of data. Each core can reach the RAM on another core, so those 10 would be able to read, write, and perform an operation on that RAM.

This chip combines some SIMD concepts along with parallel computing concepts and the new multi-core concepts. Intel discovered you really need a lot of RAM per core so each core can handle a lot of data by itself and the entire RAM needs of the applications will be met within the CPU. 20GB is what they show in a sample using SRAM. They will be switching to DRAM and with that switch may also increase the RAM per core. The key to RAM per Core is going to depend on some efficiencies in the CPU based on tasks and data. Intel will begin to discover their performance curve with this prototype.

This system is nothing near what you will see on your desk in 5 years. It will be used to pave the way for application development and system design for years to come. It is the most important stepping stone for the future of computing that we've seen in the last several years because it changes how the hardware and software are designed to work together.


Basically, to utilize the power of each core, a computer design would have to include RAM dedicated to each core to minize bottle-necking. If you had a quad core processor and one of those cores was utilizing all of the memory banks on the motherboard, the three other cores would have to wait until that one core finishes its task. This would explain why there really isn't a 100% increase in performance per core, as the processor writes data to the registries of RAM, which essentially are slots for data. If one processor fills those registers up before the second core can utilize them, that second core is essentially useless. This is why we focus on recommending more RAM for slower systems instead of just beefing up the processor.
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post Oct 17 2007, 05:39 AM
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no, the Oct-core is a platform (2 Yorkfield XEs) with a modified server mobo and chipset.
People who say dual-core is enough are just jealous. because they know that 4 cores are better than two.
5 cores is just random, because then it just doesn't make any sense. Its supposed to go like 1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128 etc
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post Oct 17 2007, 10:08 AM
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I also find having 5 cores sort of wierd. Im also not really interested into jumping into this new cores fight as many applications arent yet ready for this type of hardware, so It wouldnt really boost up the speed that much, though its really just around the corner. I am doing perfectly fine with a pentium 4 and 2 gigs of ram at the moment. I will be saving money to buy an awesome laptop whenever I feel that the pentium 4 starts to struggle with the future applications. Right now my laptop runs perfectly though kind of hot.
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post Oct 18 2007, 01:31 AM
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will i haven't even complete my old PC bills yet

i don't think I'm gowning to upgrade

not before i finish the old one bills

i even have 5 systems on that PC and it work great

i have 2 Linux systems and xp and vista

and mac os x

what do i need Moor

nothing not yet
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post Oct 18 2007, 05:07 PM
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wow, computers are really getting faster and faster, and many cores to be seen. but computer main problem is hard drive, which is most psychical structure of computer, and improving hard drive speed is important to have a good computer. even with 4Gb of memory, and many megahertcshz processor if you hard drive is slow then it won't go top speed!
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post Oct 18 2007, 10:27 PM
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