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Jul 14 2006, 02:00 PM
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Advanced Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 113 Joined: 13-July 06 Member No.: 26,551 |
Why must the "War on Terror" be SUCH a major issue in this world, I'm not trying to be anti-American, it's just with the war in Irag reaching a landmark in funding it really makes me angry, when Global Warming a much more serious issue, recieves so much less attention from the world's governments...At least I know the U.S. Is not doing all they could...
For instance, Brazil can produce enough ethanol to help with the massive consumption of crude oil in cars, yet ethanol has a 100% terrif on it while crude oil has a 0% terrif on it... My idea for at least slowing down Global Warming is a major concerted government effort to move the country over from regular gasoline to e85 Ethanol is a 3 step process: 1. Government mandate requiring car manufacturers to produce cars that run off e85 Ethanol 2. By the year 'x' (leave this up to the government, hopefully it will be something sensible) require all street-legal cars to meet much high emissions quality and run off e85 ethanol. 3. By the year 'x' (leave this up to the government, hopefully it will be something sensible, pretty much at the same time as the above date) force gasoline retailers to sell only e85 ethanol for cars and vehicles. And as another step government funding in wind-generated power (which really does have the capability to cover most of our energy needs) needs to be set-up to reduce emissions from power-plants. And if at all possible government aid in researching the hydrogen fuel cell and making it more effective and less costly would be WONDERFUL as its only by-product is water. |
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Jul 14 2006, 02:17 PM
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Trap Double Mocha Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: [HOSTED] Posts: 2,220 Joined: 5-November 05 From: That one place over there... Member No.: 13,830 |
Ya Global warming really is a problem but you can't expect just the government to take control over that. We can help just as much as they can for the time being until they can do something. We can try to conserve energy and not use our cars as often until they are able to make this switch to ethanol but it is going to be an expensive switch for car dealers and for the government and the oil companies. I am sure they are looking into it but it is probably a long process. I do think that Ford or someone has produced a car that runs on ethanol but I don't think there are any e85 stations near me. Only one I know of in fact is in Connecticut.
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Jul 14 2006, 06:14 PM
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Premium Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 193 Joined: 2-June 06 Member No.: 24,662 |
1. Government mandate requiring car manufacturers to produce cars that run off e85 Ethanol 2. By the year 'x' (leave this up to the government, hopefully it will be something sensible) require all street-legal cars to meet much high emissions quality and run off e85 ethanol. 3. By the year 'x' (leave this up to the government, hopefully it will be something sensible, pretty much at the same time as the above date) force gasoline retailers to sell only e85 ethanol for cars and vehicles. I understand what your saying and the plan may actual work if it wasn't for one small problem. Not everyone can afford to buy a new car. Most of the cars that run of of e85 Ethanol are all new cars and are a tad bit more expensive then just a normal car. Because the cars are so new there are very few used ones on the market as well. Plus the fact that if this happens, Car companies are going to milk every dime out of you, by rasing the prices of cars that run off of e85 Ethanol, because of everyone needs to get that type of car. Got to love Supply and Demand. So everyone who can't afford one left to either walk or use public transportation. Not to bring my town into this, but if this where to happen, no one would be able to get to work because most people in my town work 10-20 miles or more outside of town and we have no public transportation either. So basically the economy would colapse in my town that is outside the college. Next thing, heres a differn't suggestion on how to go about this. Instead of requireing everyone to get a car that runs off of e85 ethanol, perhaps give people taxs breaks (or something like that) to people who use those vehiecals. This was actually proposed for hybrid cars a while back. |
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Jul 15 2006, 07:18 AM
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Advanced Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 113 Joined: 13-July 06 Member No.: 26,551 |
That's why this is a plan to be implemented over several years, let the car developers all create cars that run off e85 ethanol (right now they really aren't much more expensive than a car that does not, I drive one)
by making all cars from the time the law was passed run off e85 ethanol and setting the date of outlawing traditional gasoline sale at a time when a car in the pre-law period would be generally to old to dirve. See, this date wouldn't be within just a few years after the law was passed, it would be several. Also supply and demand would not be at all different than your current non-e85 running car because factories would puch out the same supply, but of a different kind... By the time the law to outlaw sale of galosine and require people to drive an e85 ethanol running car most car makers would likely have simplified and made the product more efficient and ecenomic. |
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Jul 15 2006, 10:23 PM
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Premium Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 167 Joined: 21-March 06 From: Somewhere... Member No.: 20,464 |
Good ideas and stuff, but is it too logical? Cars that run off of E85 stuff are expensive and people who barely have cars now because of money issues won't be able to afford them. The government would have to replace each of the existing cars and that would be expensive.
Plus-What about ofther countries? Their government won't take actions against that kind of stuff due to the other problems that are worst for them. Poverty and avian flu and such. Like I said, good idea- just not too probable. |
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Jul 15 2006, 11:20 PM
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Privileged Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 628 Joined: 20-May 06 Member No.: 23,968 |
E-85 is more expensive than gasoline, and if the USA were to run all cars on ethonol, then we would not be able to eat corn or use because of the fuel consumption.
However, with the amounts of greasy food eaten in america, it could be more probable to convert to using diesel cars and use used vegtable oil from fried foods without modification as seen on Mythbusters. People think it'[s a god given right to drive an F-350 and top their tanks. You can't change people's minds on that. If we could find a renewable fuel source that could run on today's Otto engines without modification, then maybe we could actually extend our time just enough to replenish badly needed resouces to kick global warming. |
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Jul 19 2006, 08:15 PM
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Super Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 293 Joined: 17-December 05 From: Error 404 Member No.: 15,848 |
QUOTE Why must the "War on Terror" be SUCH a major issue in this world, I'm not trying to be anti-American, it's just with the war in Irag reaching a landmark in funding it really makes me angry, when Global Warming a much more serious issue, recieves so much less attention from the world's governments Half a degree in a temperature rise can't be proven. The only evidence so far are exagerate thermal pictures taken at different parts of the year ( ever heard of summer? ) or Icebergs melting and Hurricanes. Icebergs have always melted and Hurricanes will always happen. It's not real. People highjacking a plane, setting off bombs in subways, mustard gassing, and launching rockets however are very real. Get over it. Al Gore just wants people to pay attention to him. What can we do about Global Warming? Nothing. There's no proof it's even happening that's solid, let alone half of a degree rise affecting anything in general. It's part of nature, especially since Mars is probably the only planet experiencing global warming at this time. Earth? Yeah. Half of a degree warmer than next year. Half of a degree? Get real. That can happen from somebody standing near the thermometer. If anybody believes this Global Warming load of crap, they'll fall for practically anything somebody tells them. The Sky is falling? Yeah, sure. Okay, pal. |
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Jul 20 2006, 09:27 PM
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Privileged Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 522 Joined: 13-February 05 From: Netherlands Member No.: 3,745 |
I believe global warming is very real...
Yes... ice has always melted, but not as fast as now. The level of the oceans are higher then our society ever measured. Yes... hurricanes always been around, but not as much as now. Due to the global warming process, our Ozon layer has thinned up, so our planet is more sensitive for solar flares, wich are responsible for the amount of wind. And of course, the amount of exhaustion we produce now also causes a lot of illnesses, not only among humans, but also among animals and plants. People, animals and plants get cancer more often. The smog-rates are way too high lately and especially with these temperatures duribg the summer, more people collaps, faint and even die. I would totally support such a plan to integrate new, cleaner engines wich run on non-toxic fuel like Ethanol or Electricity. Lets hope our governments open their eyes in time. |
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Jul 24 2006, 07:23 PM
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