Hi everyone,

Before i start this isnt just a rante but also i want this to be a decent discussion with view points from different people. If you want to rant about either of the above people feel free! but also back yourself up!

So:

Last year as you all probably know london was attacked by terrorists, many people died and it caused a lot of problems in general, and most people probably also know of the recent threats to security out many british airports in the UK and possibly abroad, im not sure about abroad though. Now id like to ask what everyone thinks the reasons for these attacks and threats are?

As you mightve guessed i personally believe that Blair and Bush (they arent worthy of their "president" and "prime minister" titles in my opinion) are one hundred percent to blame. Yes Blair, 100%! And youre friend Bushy! the blood of hundreds drips from your hands. And my reason is simple: the war on the middle east, not iraq, or afghanistan the whole of the middle east and i belive it is heading for the entire eastern world. Why are they so bent or world domination? Bush cant even come up for a reason! I mean the guy who has his finger on a big red button that determines the fate on the entire worlds population doesnt even know why he would push the button! There is something VERY wrong with that. And then Blair has wrecked the UK, now i have no problem with people from other nationalities, but what i do have a problem with is the fact that a few terrorist who HIJACKED a plane in one UK airport (cant remember which!) are allowed to stay in the UK because "its against their human rights to send them back from whence they came" What the ****?!?!?! I dont care if their country kills them, you dont hijack planes, its wrong, i dont care what happens if you get sent home its wrong so deal with whatever youre gonna get! But, back on topic! After wrecking this country he folows his little friend bush over to the eastern world and wrecks a couple more countries. I think its slightly strange that every country targeted so far is in the east, they are weaker in military terms but have a lot of economical benefit such as oil and cheap labour, coincidence? Yeh right! They are both bullies and have to stick together because they cant fight alone, and as is happening the prey are becoming the predator. Remember how no matter how big someone was if they picked on the wrong guy they got a smack from all his mates? Well Blair and bush go strolling into the east and then wonder why the trade center was attacked, the london transport system was attacked and they find bottle bombs aimed at planes to be flying over the USA. Ill tell you why blair and bush, because like the rest of the world the terrorists hae had enough.

I agree with the terrorists motives, i definately do not agree with their methods, but as the sayin goes, "one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter" And i say power to the freedom fighters. Definately do not kill people or cause such problems and sadness but yes, stand for your pointm dont back down and let the world know, and if any "extremists" read this (which i doubt but anything is possible on the internet!) then i say good on you for standing up for your cause, but please stop killing!

But overall them two are the root of all the violence aimed at the USA and UK and to be honest if the white house and the PM's house were attacked tomorrow I'd shrug it off, So long as innocent people arent harmed it really wouldnt bother me one little bit, i know it might upset a lot of people if that did happen but its the lesser of two evils, if they dont stop attackking the east they will carry on this war, its already been started in my opinion and only they can stop it. Now idlike to say i am definately not saying go attack the PM or his bum buddie bush but its just a scenario! So dont do it! But you get my point.

So what does everyone else think? Like ive said i think the terrorism is completely their fault for attacking the eastern countries of course they are going to strike back, they shouldnt strike back against innocents but yes they should strike back in some way.

And like i said i dont agree with the bombings or threats atall i simply agree with the motive to let blair and bush know that enough is enough, i belive the july bombings last year were a warning, if those bombs were meant to kill they wouldve been alot bigger and full of shrapnel, so take head blair, stop the war! Before more bood is on your hands. And i also dont think anyone should attack blair or bush but like i said i wouldnt care if it did happen. the world would be alot quieter.

Please reply and let me know your opinions ad if you disagree dont jus say "youre wrong" tell me why you think i am wrong! This could be an intresting thread with any luck!

Today terrorism is a very complex story and it is difficult to conclude from any side that this is wrong and this is right. What is right to you may go terribly wrong for others. And what is right for others may terribly go wrong for you too. I am saying this because the nature of terrorists these days are difficult to predict.

Had not USA invaded Iraq will all these happened? We cannot say No. It all may still happen. And the root of terrorism has a very long history. If you just blame the current leaders (US, UK or any other countries) it may be wrong to do so. It is the policy of those states probably in the past one decade that seemed to have threatened others and others felt insulted in the case of Osama and his Al-qaeda network.

Therefore, in my opinion it is unwise to simply blame the current leadership in US and UK. If others are at the helm what the heck will they do too? Except showing a more cowardice acts towards terrorists. But by saying like this I'm not justifying all the actions undertaken by their governments. All I want to say is it is too complex a story by now.

Terrorism is kind of stupid. I mean why would people do it. Because they hate other countries. Why don't they just keep there thoughts to themselves why can't they just leave us alone?

i do agree it is a complex matter but we can see that countries not involved in wars do not suffer from terrorism, or should i say that the terrorism isnt aimed at the citizens of that country. And also there has never been terrorism on this scale untill this war against the east begun.

And i agree it is very difficult to tell right from wrong, infact, there is no right or wrong, it is a matter of opinion, which is what is meant by "one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter." to one man they are terrorists but to another they are like soldiers in a war against oppression. and in this case i think of them as freedom fighters, although i strongly disagree with their methods!

And i disagree with you TypoMage, terrorism isnt stupid, it is however in my opinion very bad as many innocent people die and many lives are ruined. But the terrorists are sending a message, a message that they wont sit back and watch THEIR lives being ruined and their countries invaded by us, the western invaders.

I see that youre from the USA, im from the UK so when we saw "us" atleast we me the same!

But think of it the other way around, you and your familly and friends are happilly sitting in the garden sunbathing or in the pool or whatever when suddenly a fighter jet screams over head and bombs the town/city near you, killing hundreds and wrecking many lives, possibly killings friends and familly or even you, This is what was happening in iraq and such other places where the usa and Uk have declared war. Wouldnt you want to strike back? send a message to the leaders saying "stop bombing us or we'll bomb you" or sit and watch more bombs drop?

The terrorists are taking the first option, and rightly so, in a way they are the ones trying to stop this war but obviously its a vicious cycle where we get bombed and bomb them so they bomb us and we bomb them again etc....

the point of terrorism is to spread terror, but the point of this terror is usually to prove a political point about them disagreeing with someone else.

obviously they should not kill or hurt innocent people but nor should our troops, they are simply terrorists too, but they are organised terrorists called an "army". but armies do not torture innocent people...

Congratulations. I saw the topic and assumed "This guy must not know what he's talking about". I actually read it and you confirmed it. Good job.

explain yourself? that way we can have decent discussion

Firstly, the terror attacks happened earlier on in Bush's career. Before the entire "SMOKE EM OUT OF THEIR CAVES" *BLEEP* occured.
Secondly, the extremist islamics HAVE been saying "DEATH TO AMERICA AND ISRAEL" since what, the 1970's? Try to keep up. Past terror attacks have happened before Bush or Blair were in charge of anything against the USA. I don't think they left a notice saying "LOL BY THE WAY THIS BOMB IS BECUZ WE DONT LIKE THE GOVERNOR OF TEXAS". I don't think they were trying to say "DEATH TO AMERICA AND ISRAEL BUT WERE GIVING U A WARNING LOL".
Thirdly, if you're going to pull out some LOOSE CHANGE conspiracy *BLEEP*: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons ; Maddox sums it up the best.

Fourthly, yes. Terrorism is stupid. Get over it. Killing yourself? What did you just accomplish other than ending your own life? Nice going, *BLEEP*. Now you can't see the destruction you've created, because you're dead. A well thought out plan, huh?

Fifthly, war against opression? Please, put down the Kool Aid and stop repeating what you hear. What opression? They're in a democracy and able to vote. If they were that against opression, weren't they in a dictatorship ruled by Saddam Hussein who tried to ethnically cleanse the Kurds using Mustard Gas and often at times snapped out on people, taking them in and flogging their feet with electrical wires? Just overlook that. Yeah, sure.

The muslims have been at war with the western world ever since the crusades... and even before that... terrorism is just a recent chapter in this fight... we keep pissing off the muslims and for some reason they've never really forgotton the crusades... sore losers I guess...
plus, most people don't realize how radically different their religion and media is from ours... they have a completely different set of values...

here, read this article:
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/06/22/news/pew2.php
I had to analyze it for a class and I don't completely agree with the angle it takes but just note the key points it brings up. You can't argue with numbers, you can only argue with how they're presented...


This post has been edited by cangor: Aug 18 2006, 04:06 PM