Im really not looking to debate on this, but feel free to post your own views and comments.. Ive debated it so much everywhere I go that I'd really like to just get all my anger out at once. LOL.

I'm getting really sick of people trying to play God in America. It happens everyday, with a lot of the issues we face.. Ban this, legalize this, etc etc. God is always an issue.. But hey, lets stick to the subject at hand.. Gay Marriage..

Im bisexual, and if I ever happen to find a beatiful inteligent lady that I love and care deeply for.. I'd like to think that, just like any other human being (i am still human, no matter what sex I am attracted to), I would be allowed to vow my everlasting love to her by means of marriage.

People argue that it is a sin for two people of the same sex to marry, or to love each other, or to have sexual relations with one another.. They say.. The bible says this, the bible says that..

News Flash! The Bible was written by man.. Every man is a sinner.. So how do you know the words in that bible were not written to attempt to manipulate people into believing their views are right? How can you be, for certain, that those words are the words of God. He didnt write that bible, men wrote that bible, and no matter how good a person is.. They will always be a sinner. No one is perfect..

Also.. Who are you to play God? If how I live my life is not right by God, let me deal with the consquences of my actions when my time comes. I dont need anyone to tell me how to live my life.. I dont need anyone telling me what is right or wrong.. All of these people who are against gay marriage.. Well.. Just like the men who wrote the bible, they too are sinners. I wish people would start concentrating on their own actions rather than dwelling on what I do in my personal life. I dont go around telling others how to live their lives.. I concentrate on ME. I try to better myself, not everyone else. I'll let God deal with others when their time comes!

I suppose in a way I do try to change others though.. I mean I do in this sense.. I'd like to be treated like anyone else.. Just because I am attracted to people of the same sex does not mean I am inhuman. I still have emotions, feelings, etc. I'd like to be treated as if I do..

Anywho.. I think I'm done..

Huggles,
Amby

I feel the same way. Marriage isn't about God - It's about love. Governments should have no say in what people think and do. It's just not their place. Can you stop love from striking? It's just another "act against God" to all those stupid politicians. If I were on the board (which I'm not) I would argue for it. People should have a choice about who they love. With all the people getting sex changes and falling in love within their own sex, don't you think the government should adapt to it instead of covering it up? What government is ashamed of its own people so much that it'll hide relationships between them to "save face". Yet another reason I hate being young with no say in anything. So many of my friends and those I don't know deserve better. They're little more than prisoners with a broken heart. This shouldn't be.

And no offense, but I don't really like the Bible. I'm Hindu and I look through it. Psalms and psalms and psalms. No dates, no real proof. For all we know, the people in it could be false. This is true of all ancient religious books. You don't know who wrote it, but it becomes the basis of so much.

i'm agreed with both of you.
who has the right to say that gay marriege is wrong.
you know... everyone is free 'till you reach others' freedom, and if I was be gay, I should be to get married with my friend, because we wouldn't bother anybody having the same gender and getting married as they'd be our lifes.
i mean, it's like i didn't let marry someone because you both have blue eyes.

this and the others taboos, just take the everyone's freedom

Marriage is between a MAN and WOMAN. If this is changed, it wouldn't be marriage anymore. I have no problem with gays getting the same legal rights as a married couple, just don't call it marriage... because its not. Changing the definition would be a bastardization of what its original meaning was.

That's like saying, well... I want to be legally known as a girl (I'm a guy). Why? Because I am human and I should have the same rights as a girl. Because I want to use the girls change room. Because I want to collect scholarships for women. Because I want to play womens sports. And so on. A female and a male have been defined by our society (and law). Why even have gender definitions?? Why not change everything to refer to "human" rather than female and male? That would make everything fair and equal.

Marriage was originally a RELIGIOUS ceremony defined as being between a MAN and a WOMAN. Part of our rights and freedoms is being able to practice any religion we like. The church says gay marriages are not acceptable. That is part of the religious beliefs that people are FREE to have. You are asking for a law that FORCES people to CHANGE their religious system. So, how can you ask for a right to marriage that will stomp on someone elses rights to practice free religion? Isn't that a bit selfish and a bit ironic? You would ask for a right that, if granted, would take away someone elses.

This is the exact reason why marriage should not be allowed for gays. They can LEGALLY be joined and have all the same LEGAL rights as marriage. That would be fair. But to FORCE the church to ACCEPT gay marriage is unconstitutional. It violates what the free world stands for.

Finally, what if a brother and sister wanted to get married? According to you, they are both humans.. there should be nothing wrong. In fact, you talk about it being love... well between a brother and sister there has to be even more love, being brother and sister and lovers at the same time... so much love... it MUST be acceptable.

I don't have a problem with gay marriage. I have a problem with people who have a problem with gay marriage

no9t9, I agree with you when you say marriage was originally a religious ceremony. However, like Christmas and Easter, it has become Americanized, and is now considered more of a SOCIAL event more than anything else. Indeed, such a process can be damaging to the intended purpose of such a ceremony, but we cannot direct our anger at what happens at the surface. We have to tackle the problem at its roots, trying to reverse the commercial motivation behind these notions. Gay marriage is only a bi-product of this, and thus, it is unfair to point the finger at those individuals in our society.

Everyone is at fault here, in my opinion. The beautiful meaning of marriage itself has been lost in the hogwash of consumerism and high society. Until we can correct this, I feel that we must honor gay marriage and appreciate the dignity needed to complete it. After all, their love is probably more genuine than 90% of the current marriages out there...

Yes, was. Many people who get married don't go to a church anymore.

Christianity can't claim ownership of marriage. I wouldn't mind if, say, the catholic church said that they won't be marrying same sex couples and that their god will crush the skulls of their enemies' babies, it's all in their bible. But marriage is common good now, and it's not for any church to decide what does and what does not go.

In my opinion, marriage between two sexes (homosexual) is unnatural, in the sense of making babies it isn't but i have no problem with it. What's this america says of separation of church and state? These people always drag their religion into it sayin it was not meant to be. What if you feel happy with another man or woman, why should you not commit yourselves to them? It may be unnatural but that is only in terms of sex, adopt a child if you want children. I am heterosexual yet i think that any sex should be able to marry anyone, i actually don't believ in marriage, it was created by religion and i think that, if you can get along with someone, you can move in with them and have children end of story. Im a male but i still see no reason why a woman has to adopt the man's surname? I'm for homosexual marriages; whatever makes you happy right?

I was thinking about Christmas when I typed my first post but didn't put it in. Christmas is not "Americanized", it has changed because of all these stupid tree huggers who have too much time on their hands demanding that everything be politically correct. Christmas is not even Christmas anymore. You can't even say "Merry Christmas" now because it will offend someone. You have to say "Happy Holidays". Politically correct talk is stupid. A garbage man is a garbage man... he is not a *BLEEP*ing sanitation engineer.

The root of the problem is commercialization?? Gay marriage is not a byproduct of the commercialization of marriage. That's ridiculous. This is about gays wanting equal rights. And who's pointing the finger? Nobody is saying gays are the reason marriage is now commercialized. What are you talking about? What does commercialization of marriage have to do with gays? Please...

Love has nothing to do with marriage (legally). I ask the question again. What if a brother and sister want to get married because they love each other? Hell, why not mother and daughter? Nothing stronger than a mothers love. According to you, this should be allowed. What's wrong with it? Apparently, I don't know because marriage is about love and marriage is a "common good" now (see below).


That is the point. People (and you) are saying that it is not for the church to decide. I think it is. How can you support a law that would essentially FORCE someone to go against their religious beliefs? If a law is made that gay marriage is the same as "regular" marriage, then churchs would not have the choice or they would be breaking the law. This is unconstitutional. You cannot force someone to do something against their religion.

And yes, I know many people get married outside of a church. What if some gays want to get married IN a church? What you don't seem to understand is that once the law is made that gays must be allowed to get married, a church will not have the legal right to refuse. So what do you suggest about religious rights of those who don't want gay marriage in their church? I say it is not for you or anyone else to decide how I practice my religion.

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Also, please don't just pick one line and try to argue with that. It doesn't work. I have not really said anything new in this post. You simply are arguing with me using points already being discussed AND addressed...