So I've done some nice debating and it's been nice. I've had multipe 5+ People ganging up on me thinking it will make a real difference, but after pages and pages of debating, it didn't go anywhere. Simply because they are afraid to look at it from the other angle, the other side, because they fear going to hell. It's their problem.

So I made this creative topic.
This thread is not ment for argueing and fighting. I want to see how you guys feel about each other's religion"

So muslims, christians, and anything else in between, you have your own religion right? Your own laws in your religion and other things you must strictly follow. Tell me what do you think about other religions?

Christians, what do you think about Muslims who don't believe / worship jesus?
Muslims, what do you think about Christians who don't pray 5 times a day to allah or anything else?
And other religions, what do you think about other's who don't follow your ways?

I mean somebody has to be wrong here right? There can't possibly be another God A god just as powerful as yours? An almighty, all-perfect, all-powerful, all-knowing God just like yours, making yours not superior? Making yours not the creator of EVERYTHING? Your God doesn't share now does it?

You may now begin. But remember, keep it clean, and rack up points
I will not be participating in this debate. I am just a spectator. Please, tell us how you feel
Support your religion, stand up and tell us how you feel

This post has been edited by amirborna: Jun 14 2008, 04:11 PM

lol man why in the hell do you want us to debate over such an issue? there's no point of it anyway...
there isn't no conflict between religions as they all lead to God. The difference is that mono-theistic heavenly religion lead to the same God while other religions lead to some other God(s). Now personally I reject any religion that doesn't lead to the God I believe in as there aren't any proofs of their existence while the God I believe in have alot of proofs that lead to Him (for example, the Qur'an, the prophets, the universe itself... etc). Moreover, believing in several Gods is somehow illogical because there can't be more than one God, because if that were the case then their "will" might contradict and therefore reflect on us (the creatures and the universe as well).

Now the difference between Islam and Christianity is that Muslims do not believe in Trinity and they believe that Jesus is merely a respected prophet just like prophet Mohammed, and not the son of God. This belief comes from a verse in the Qur'an called "Al-Tawheed" (believing in ONE) where God says that He is only one, He was never born and never had any sons, and there isn't anyone that could compete with Him.... So anyway, that's basically the main difference between Islam and Christianity (there other differences as well too) although there are Christians who do not believe that Jesus is the son of God and do not believe in Trinity. But whatever the differences are, Muslims still believe in Christianity and Judaism as well and you cannot be a Muslim unless you are a Jew and a Christian first (meaning that you need to believe in ALL heavenly religions).

Now concerning Christianity and Judaism, the main difference is that Jews do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah they're waiting for to be their savior while Christians do believe that he is the one. Christians believe that Jews were responsible for the crossification (sp?) of Jesus, but on the other hand Muslims do not believe that Jesus was crossified and instead he was raised to heaven by God and he's yet to come and save all humans from evil along with "Imam Al Mahdi"... And just to note, Jesus was a Jew and lived his whole life as a Jew, thus no Christian can not believe in Judaism.

In conclusion, I cannot say this religion is right and that is not. I believe in all mono-theistic heavenly religions and I consider them to be 3 parts of the same heavenly message - they are complimentary.

I don't want to have religion lessons, I want you to tell me :

Christians say if you don't believe in Jesus your going to hell. What about the other 50%+ of the world?
They were created to go to hell? Or is our *Purpose* of living here to believe in Jesus

AKA they were born in a family, that believed in another religion just like your family practices christianity, and just like your family is heavly religious and gets mad at you ect, their family gets mad at them ect

AKA

They were born on a side of the world, that demographically, do not believe in christianity, nor do their parents. So they have to betray their parents and their teachings, and flee and learn christianity, though they never heard of it before.

100%

I don't agree with this. About Christianity, Muslims believe only Jesus is a prophet. About Jew, Muslims believe only Moses is a prophet too. To be a Muslim there is no need to be a Christian or a Jew. In fact everyone is born as a Muslim.
Even the parents are Christian or Jew or Atheist, the children are born as Muslim. When he reaches an age of making his own choices,
He or She selects to continue to be Muslim or select Christianity or Jew or Atheism.

In Islam: All children are born as Muslim. When he or she dies when he is child, he/she goes directly to the heaven.
In Christianity: Everyone is born as a sinner. And priest baptism the child.

This is the difference.

Towards Amirborna;
We Muslims believe in all prophets.

This post has been edited by Erdemir: Jun 17 2008, 06:09 PM

What I know is that you do not go to hell just for not believing in Jesus... I am Muslim and I know that Christians believe in Trinity which is according to my beliefs very wrong but that doesn't mean that all Christians are going to hell... Well at least they do believe in God, and starting with that, they'll be judged according to what they did in their lives whether it's good or bad and then they'll be punished or rewarded accordingly. Also, even if you're Muslim, that doesn't qualify you to go to heaven just like that, you need to be a good person in order to acquire your ticket to heaven if I can say so. Believing in God is just the basic belief you need to have, and then your work/words/decisions decide your fate.

Now concerning a person who was born somewhere on this planet where he never heard of Christianity or Islam or whatever... do you really think it's fair that God would send him to hell for not believing in Him and following His message? Well obviously it's NOT fair and that's why God wouldn't send this person to hell and He would judge this person according to what he did in his/her life whether he/she was good or bad (being good or bad is a matter of social values). BUT, if this person who was born in a place where he/she never heard of God someday traveled and learned about God and religions, then this person has no "excuse" anymore and he/she has to search for truth and believe in God eventually... otherwise there's a big chance that he/she might be punished by going to hell. Now, God is forgiving and we all know that, but He does not tolerate some mistakes including not believing in Him after you learned about Him or just like in your case, if you used to believe in God and you were a Muslim and then converted to become an atheist; God wouldn't forgive you unless you believe in Him again, and once you believe and repent, all your other sins will be forgiven because you were misguided at that period and then you found the right path again.

Is there anything else you would like to know?




What I meant was simply that I, as a Muslim, believe in Christianity and Judaism as heavenly religions as well. And I do believe in the Bible and the Torah but that doesn't necessarily mean that I need to practice Christianity and/or Judaism. I am still a Muslim and I only practice Islam.
And yeah, what you mentioned about the difference between Islam and Christianity is also one of the major differences. In Islam, all people are born sinless while in Christianity all people are born as sinners but Jesus saved them when he was crossified... I do not want to get into a debate on what beliefs are right or wrong now... at least we, monotheists, believe in the same one God and that's the most important thing....

Sorry I didn't understand before. But I understand what you mean now. Keep going...

Christians believe in Trinity which is wrong against your religion, but it's right because of their status as "Christian" ?

What else is right, that you can't do, but they can't?

Where in the bible/koran/wtf does it say that "This religion can do this, while you can't"
What are these people getting special favor over you now? Do they have a higher Divine Quo?

The main reason why i haven't engaged this topic, as i mentioned in another thread, is mostly because you're asking for trouble with this topic. This is not something i find as productive.


Spectating not for you? Regardless, refrain from mentioning things that are said in order to cause trouble. Consider this a verbal warning.